Rudyjax said:

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Quinn said:

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Yes, that's what I think. Even though Andy saved their butts and knocked out a top contender, I think his flipping will be held against him.

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I don't think so. I think they'll respect the game play.

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I think it comes down to final tribal speeches if Andy makes it there. If he can articulate that even in tribal council last night, all 4 of the girls were clearly stating they were final 4 and he made a good and proper read that he was out at #5 so he had to make a move while Sam and G could help.

When you can remind jury exactly what they saw in tribal council and then fill in the gaps of what happened behind the scene, it becomes a great move. Unfortunately, if final tribal is combative and you get flustered, then you appear to be a flipper with no strategic compass.

Sam can definitely try to steal the move from Andy in a final tribal by explaining how he carved out Andy and G for that reward, knowing if anyone else was there no plan could have been hatched.

Genevieve also made a very underrated comment in tribal, saying that she was not playing for 1 more night, but for the long game. It was a subtle note stating I will not play my hidden idol tonight just to survive 1 vote, I will hold it. That signaled that they better put 3 votes on her and 2 on Sam ensuring Op Italy worked.

Masterful by all 3, and Andy deserves most credit from what I saw, but there is plenty of wiggle room for Sam and G to try and capture credit as well.

FYI, i got an Oceans 11 vibe during editing of the planning phase. Well done

That was a really good episode. Loved the heist-like editing during the planning of Operation Italy. Fun stuff.

I've liked Teeny for the most part, but she really showed an ugly side with that petty hatefulness toward Sam. Pretty off-putting.

double aught said:

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That was a really good episode. Loved the heist-like editing during the planning of Operation Italy. Fun stuff.

I've liked Teeny for the most part, but she really showed an ugly side with that petty hatefulness toward Sam. Pretty off-putting.

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Listened to the latest On Fire Podcast tonight - Probst said the AP who was in charge of this episode decided to make it Ocean's 11 style and watched all 3 of the movies before getting to work, and then used every single wipe that the first film used for the Operation: Italy part. cool stuff.

Highly recommend it if you're any sort of Survivor fan. Probst is incredibly candid and authentic, and Charlie, last year's runner-up, is a co-host.

20ag07 said:

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Andy is getting a winner's edit at this point. We've seen this before.

He seems to be articulate enough to bring it back home at the end.

I wouldn't vote for him (because he would have pissed me off so many times) unless he was sitting next to some dunces who couldn't articulate they did anything.

It looks like that's where it's going.

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you wouldn't vote for the person that played the best game?

Rachel has come up clutch multiple times

Rachel's game to lose IMO and the only alternate ending I can see is Sam beating her in fire to win the game. I just don't see a case for Teeny or Sue to earn more than a sympathy vote. Teeny has self admitted to being completely bamboozled and Sue just hasn't affected the game.

I am really impressed with the level of gameplay by Rachel, Genevieve and Andy. I think Andy would have had to convince jurors he wasn't just flip flopping, but his votes were strategic and smart IMO and I think if Andy had the chance to pitch he might have been successful. Sam has the gift of gab and has been strategy adjacent enough to win if he can sit next to Sue/Teeny

I have enjoyed this season that felt like an early bust

Totally agree... This is Rachel's game to lose. If she does not win final Immunity then whoever does HAS to give up the necklace to and put themselves into the fire-making challenge against Rachel. That is pretty much the only drama left in the game.

I did enjoy the fact that Sue had maybe the least-effective Idol play of the season... no votes on her and she didn't even play it for someone else in a strategy move or make it public knowledge to use as a bargaining piece or anything.

I agree that Sue and Teeny have pretty much no shot. The first Tribal of tonight's episode (Rachel's funeral) they all pretty much made the case to the Jury why Rachel has been the best player...