It would be funny if the Fremen made up that “avoid alerting the sandworms” walk as a bit to prank outsiders

— Mike Drucker (@MikeDrucker) March 5, 2024

MBAR said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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After Part One, I was only slightly interested in it.

After Part Two, I can't wait to spend more time in this world, and for more world-building.

I just hope it involves some of the same below the line people, because the Production Design has been such an integral part of what made both of the movies so good.

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I just feel its going to water down this experience, honestly. Dune is good because of DV. Firmly believe that anything he doens't direct is more than likely to be a downgrade.

I'm gonna watch them, at least at first, but I am expecting to be disappointed.

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Me too. Worry it'll be quantity of quality to milk dollars. Will ultimately tire of it and negatively impact these master pieces (plenty examples of it with other movies).Sane criticism is often level at Brian Herbert and all of his books.

Again, the series is set thousands of years before the movies. And while it does have a few familiar faces, it doesn't have any big stars or feature any characters from the movies. I think it'll obviously get some play, due to its name/association, but unless it's absolutely amazing, I just don't see it being something that distracts from the movies. It's nothing like, say, The Penguin, which is also due later this year on Max, and is an eight-hour limited series that literally connects the events of The Batman to The Batman Part II. It's no where near that crucial or connected, and chances are it probably won't still be airing but the time Dune Messiah hits theaters four or five years from now.

These are my favorite as well, plus "Worm Ride" to put me back in the theater when Paul takes his first ride

I'm trying not to listen to the soundtrack before I watch but y'all getting me hyped I'm a pretty big Zimmer guy.

I know Williams is GOAT but I prefer Zimmer.

That main theme is up there for me as well. It reminds me of one of the main scores from the Mass Effect video game series.

So much better the second time around. Like a number of Villeneuve and Nolan movies, this one definitely takes a couple of viewings for its intentions to really become clear.

I've watched the first movie so many times that I think the pacing of it - the first half, especially - set me up to expect more of the same, back-and-forth planet hopping. But this time, knowing the first hour or so is almost exclusively with Paul & co on Arrakis, I was better able to see why Villeneuve made the decisions he did. It plays almost like its own mini-movie, in Lawrence of Arabia-like fashion, and everything needs to unfold exactly the way it does before the rest of the story can actually begin. Seeing as events are essentially waiting for Paul to rise in the ranks, strike fear in the Harkonnens, and disrupt their spice production so much so that the Baron needs to enlist Feyd (at which point the movie finally kicks into another gear).

Everyone's motivations were much clearer this go around as well. There's still something a just a bit too rushed in Paul saying he can't go south to suddenly needing to go south, but I at least understood the motivations and mechanics of the decision better, why he was essentially forced, etc. It all checks out, I just wish we had, like, even three more minutes of deliberation there.

My one question this go-around is, once Paul is in the south, why do Chani's tears bring him back to life? I get that she's part of the prophecy, and the prophecy says as much, but what's the "science" behind it? Why is it her tears, specifically, dipped in the Water of Life, that Paul needs? Why not anyone's tears? Why tears at all?

Jamis aka totally-not-jessica

— Ignacio Diaz Moore (@IgnacioDiazMoo1) March 6, 2024

It had to with her name, desert spring.

Yes, I realize that. Like I said, I understand that she and her name are part of the prophecy. But those are just words in a story a name people call her. I'm asking what the "science" is behind it. As in, why do tears dipped in the very goo that put him in a coma magically bring him back to life? And why her tears, specifically?

TCTTS said:

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So much better the second time around. Like a number of Villeneuve and Nolan movies, this one definitely takes a couple of viewings for its intentions to really become clear.

I've watched the first movie so many times that I think the pacing of it - the first half, especially - set me up to expect more of the same, back-and-forth planet hopping. But this time, knowing the first hour or so is almost exclusively with Paul & co on Arrakis, I was better able to see why Villeneuve made the decisions he did. It plays almost like its own mini-movie, in Lawrence of Arabia-like fashion, and everything needs to unfold exactly the way it does before the rest of the story can actually begin. Seeing as events are essentially waiting for Paul to rise in the ranks, strike fear in the Harkonnens, and disrupt their spice production so much so that the Baron needs to enlist Feyd (at which point the movie finally kicks into another gear).

Everyone's motivations were much clearer this go around as well. There's still something a just a bit too rushed in Paul saying he can't go south to suddenly needing to go south, but I at least understood the motivations and mechanics of the decision better, why he was essentially forced, etc. It all checks out, I just wish we had, like, even three more minutes of deliberation there.

My one question this go-around is, once Paul is in the south, why do Chani's tears bring him back to life? I get that she's part of the prophecy, and the prophecy says as much, but what's the "science" behind it? Why is it her tears, specifically, dipped in the Water of Life, that Paul needs? Why not anyone's tears? Why tears at all?

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It's been a while, but if I remember correctly, Paul's reasoning for taking the WOL, the part about Chani being part of the prophecy, and how he is revived is altered from the source material. Honestly Chani is mostly just a plot device in book 1.

Definitely Not A Cop said:

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TCTTS said:

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So much better the second time around. Like a number of Villeneuve and Nolan movies, this one definitely takes a couple of viewings for its intentions to really become clear.

I've watched the first movie so many times that I think the pacing of it - the first half, especially - set me up to expect more of the same, back-and-forth planet hopping. But this time, knowing the first hour or so is almost exclusively with Paul & co on Arrakis, I was better able to see why Villeneuve made the decisions he did. It plays almost like its own mini-movie, in Lawrence of Arabia-like fashion, and everything needs to unfold exactly the way it does before the rest of the story can actually begin. Seeing as events are essentially waiting for Paul to rise in the ranks, strike fear in the Harkonnens, and disrupt their spice production so much so that the Baron needs to enlist Feyd (at which point the movie finally kicks into another gear).

Everyone's motivations were much clearer this go around as well. There's still something a just a bit too rushed in Paul saying he can't go south to suddenly needing to go south, but I at least understood the motivations and mechanics of the decision better, why he was essentially forced, etc. It all checks out, I just wish we had, like, even three more minutes of deliberation there.

My one question this go-around is, once Paul is in the south, why do Chani's tears bring him back to life? I get that she's part of the prophecy, and the prophecy says as much, but what's the "science" behind it? Why is it her tears, specifically, dipped in the Water of Life, that Paul needs? Why not anyone's tears? Why tears at all?

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It's been a while, but if I remember correctly, Paul's reasoning for taking the WOL, the part about Chani being part of the prophecy, and how he is revived is altered from the source material. Honestly Chani is mostly just a plot device in book 1.

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Yeah, I don't recall anything about Chani really having much to do with Paul's recovery after taking the Water of Life. No prophecy, no magic tears. Best guess is that the only science behind it is that of Plot Device.

TCTTS said:

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Yes, I realize that. Like I said, I understand that she and her name are part of the prophecy. But those are just words in a story a name people call her. I'm asking what the "science" is behind it. As in, why do tears dipped in the very goo that put him in a coma magically bring him back to life? And why her tears, specifically?

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I think you are getting to deep here. What's the science behind blue giant worm blood/piss that grants certain individuals omniscience? it's science fiction. The prophecy is established and, as Stilgar says, "As it is written".

TCTTS said:

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The realization that Star Wars is just a worse version of Dune is actually depressing me. I’ll just be sitting here and then realize “that’s why Luke grew up on a desert planet” or “that’s why the Jedi use blades” or “Darth Maul is just Feyd Rautha” or “the ‘Emperor’ huh?”

— MOSCHINODORITO (@moschinodorito) March 6, 2024

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Dune was one of many influences for Star Wars.

Check out my earlier post about all the media that took from it. (Star Wars, Matrix, Avatar, Game of Thrones)

TCTTS said:

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Yes, I realize that. Like I said, I understand that she and her name are part of the prophecy. But those are just words in a story a name people call her. I'm asking what the "science" is behind it. As in, why do tears dipped in the very goo that put him in a coma magically bring him back to life? And why her tears, specifically?

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This is unknown. Also a deviation from the book. Probably for dramatic effect left up to the viewer to determine.

Quad Dog said:

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This isn't something from the books, because it happens a little differently in the books, but this was my thought. Bene Gesserit have complete control over their bodies and it gives them many of the "super" powers we see in books and movies: the voice, superior fighting skills, seduction techniques, ability to control time and sex of pregnancy, and the ability to convert poison into non poison. (By the way, I remembered that the way Margot Fenring sounded using the voice sounded differently than everyone else using the voice, which shows that some BG are better/differently trained than others in some aspects) Paul had some training in BG techniques, but wasn't fully trained. He was able to convert some of the poison into The way of Life in his body and therefore gain some new powers and insight. Chani giving him a diluted and smaller version of the poison helped him convert it and the rest with those new powers. Her doing it and her name is complete coincidence. A prophecy like "tears from desert spring will awaken the savior" was created centuries ago to be generic and self fulfilling. "Tears from desert spring" could have applied to Jessica's tears since she is in the desert, but comes from a water planet. A few drops of water from one of the Fremen qanats would fulfill that prophecy. "Tears from a desert spring" could apply to the time of year, season, or location. Maybe Desert Spring is a super popular name because of the prophecy, so many Fremen could have done that.

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This really helps, thanks. In short, Chani herself basically had next to nothing to do with it and instead, Paul simply needed a diluted micro dose of the poison to convert the rest of it/jolt him back. That makes sense.

A is A said:

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TCTTS said:

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Yes, I realize that. Like I said, I understand that she and her name are part of the prophecy. But those are just words in a story a name people call her. I'm asking what the "science" is behind it. As in, why do tears dipped in the very goo that put him in a coma magically bring him back to life? And why her tears, specifically?

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I think you are getting to deep here. What's the science behind blue giant worm blood/piss that grants certain individuals omniscience? it's science fiction. The prophecy is established and, as Stilgar says, "As it is written".

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It matters to the degree that, as presented in the movie, the implication is that Chani, specifically, has some kind of special DNA or that, say, female Freman tears cary some kind of special elixir. "Science" was the wrong word - I of course realize it's all sci-fi gobbledegook nonsense - rather, I was trying to understand whether or not Chani too was "special" on some kind of biological level. Turns out she's not.