We rewatched Part 1 before going to see this and can confirm that this does indeed happen and is explained

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I will say I love the way they depict the shields. They did the awesome thing again where explosions happen before the shield goes down, so it's fully contained inside and then bursts out. Loved that in the first film

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Agreed, the depiction of the shields was great. As opposed to Dune (1984), which looked like translucent boxes around Paul/Gurney Halleck.

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To non -book readers if a Lasgun hits a shield it basically goes off like a nuke. Which is part of why the Harkonnen attack needed the shield wall down and why we saw lasguns cut up mining equipment, but not thopters

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I believe that the sand hitting the shields can mess with shields too

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Others have said this already, but I'll agree. Movie Chani is a much better character than Book Chani.

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To each their own. I like the original ending from the book with Jessica explaining to Chani.

"Do you know so little of my son?" Jessica whispered. "See that princess standing there, so haughty and confident. They say she has pretensions of a literary nature. Let us hope she finds solace in such things; she'll have little else." A bitter laugh escaped Jessica. "Think on it, Chani: that princess will have the name, yet she'll live as less than a concubine never to know a moment of tenderness from the man to whom she's bound. While we, Chani, we who carry the name of concubine history will call us wives."

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I can actually see them working this line into the third movie still.

But the difference in ending isn't what I've liked about the movie Chani over the book depiction. She's just a more full, less flattened character in DV's reimagining of her. In the film, she first pushes back on Paul being the chosen one, then comes around to the realization that he will actually be forced into that role and that she'll basically lose her Paul in the process. I dont think that we get that level of conflict in the book.

Saw it last night and needed some time to think on it.

As a film, it was absolutely beautiful. The world brought to the screen, the cinematography, the score, the sound editing... that was all simply a masterclass is filmaking.

Plot, story, and characters were all great, but it never really hits that top tier in my mind that lovers of the book attribute to the story of Dune. I only read the first half of Dune, and never really felt like I was reading something so far and away better than other sci-fi/fantasy series.

I will say, the satisfactions I felt of the revenge of House Atreides was great. I only wish Denis spent more time on that. I feel like we spent more time in the arena with Feyd-Rautha than we did on the final battle. I don't really understand the thought behind that.

All around, I still need to see it again and sit with it for a while to really determine what my long term feelings on it are.

Got a chance to go see this yesterday and it was awesome. The battle sequences were just outstanding again. I love how Villeneuve approaches sound, he's not scared to go completely silent to really build some tension. I was even more impressed with Chalamet this time around than the first one.

One really nerdy gripe, and I read the book and don't recall this. There are 2 completely separate reactions to thumpers being deployed. One is where they come up from underground, slowly where the sand just falls into their mouth out of nowhere. The other they approach so quickly that it's like a massive freight train moving under the sand and what appears to be what, 60+ mph? How exactly are they supposed to get on anything moving at that speed without their arms being torn off? I know this is a really dumb thing to be annoyed by but in the Lynch movie I feel like they got onto the worms in a way that was more inline with the books. In the books I believe the worms came out of the sand, they'd hook on at the bottom and they'd rotate upward to get their exposed skin away from the sand due to the irritation, then they were riding on top.

I'd just go with Willing Suspension of Disbelief.

But it also seems like once they got to the thumper they'd slow down since they had destroyed the irritation.

Max Power said:

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Got a chance to go see this yesterday and it was awesome. The battle sequences were just outstanding again. I love how Villeneuve approaches sound, he's not scared to go completely silent to really build some tension. I was even more impressed with Chalamet this time around than the first one.

One really nerdy gripe, and I read the book and don't recall this. There are 2 completely separate reactions to thumpers being deployed. One is where they come up from underground, slowly where the sand just falls into their mouth out of nowhere. The other they approach so quickly that it's like a massive freight train moving under the sand and what appears to be what, 60+ mph? How exactly are they supposed to get on anything moving at that speed without their arms being torn off? I know this is a really dumb thing to be annoyed by but in the Lynch movie I feel like they got onto the worms in a way that was more inline with the books. In the books I believe the worms came out of the sand, they'd hook on at the bottom and they'd rotate upward to get their exposed skin away from the sand due to the irritation, then they were riding on top.

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Frank didn't explain the mechanics of mounting or dismounting the worm. This is a normal question, especially for non-book readers. I did read where DV has said he has devised a method for the more challenging dismounting. I suspect this mystery (his approach) will be revealed in Messiah.

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Got a chance to go see this yesterday and it was awesome. The battle sequences were just outstanding again. I love how Villeneuve approaches sound, he's not scared to go completely silent to really build some tension. I was even more impressed with Chalamet this time around than the first one.

One really nerdy gripe, and I read the book and don't recall this. There are 2 completely separate reactions to thumpers being deployed. One is where they come up from underground, slowly where the sand just falls into their mouth out of nowhere. The other they approach so quickly that it's like a massive freight train moving under the sand and what appears to be what, 60+ mph? How exactly are they supposed to get on anything moving at that speed without their arms being torn off? I know this is a really dumb thing to be annoyed by but in the Lynch movie I feel like they got onto the worms in a way that was more inline with the books. In the books I believe the worms came out of the sand, they'd hook on at the bottom and they'd rotate upward to get their exposed skin away from the sand due to the irritation, then they were riding on top.

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I went with the justification that:
1. It was Paul's first time calling a worm.
2. It was a flipping huge worm.

That helped rationalize how difficult it was for him to get the thing under control. Presumably they tire the worm out a bit before handing up the wicker car carrier they put Reverend Mothers into.

It did bug me that people weren't wearing full face coverings when riding worms, though; I think some people weren't even wearing eye protection. I put that down to Hollywood wanting to show faces, though.

I've been listening to the score today while working. It is among Hans Zimmer's finest works, but it is also emblematic of the "problems" I have with much of his stuff. It takes me some time to listen to it, to really digest it, and often times to associate it with sequences in the movie. I've seen the movie once, likely won't watch it again until it's on streaming, so I don't have much imagery I can associate the music with. The track that I am really liking is "Kiss the Ring". Perhaps because I am associating it with what was happening in the movie at that time, but damn it's just so good.

Zimmers best work will largely depend on my mood, but I don't consider this his best score to listen to individually with a lot of dull moments, but it is really damn good in that it gels incredibly with the tone and style of the movie and enhances every scene vs just being background filler.

Williams is the master of melodies while Zimmer is just more raw and emotional which is why I love him.

Movie was amazing. Wasn't that impressed with part 1, but this one blew me away. Part 1 had it tough because a lot of the great scenes were saved for part 2.

Just amazing movie. Instant classic. Going to be interesting to see if they stay true to the material or make major changes bc they have a potential huge franchise opportunity, but not if they stay with source material, especially post Children of Dune.

Preach.

Right there with you on all accounts.

Those guys' podcast is great.

Good to know. Never heard of them before.

It took me like a week to finish it, but I finally made it through the first movie. Thank God for subtitles, because I couldn't hear at least 50% of the dialogue. I can only imagine how deafening the music and action scenes must have been in the theater if the sound we loud enough to hear the dialogue.

I normally watch stuff at a volume of like 7 or 8 on my system without issue, but at times I literally couldn't hear the dialogue unless I put it at nearly 25-30. Then the music or "action sounds" would absolutely blow out my ears, so I settled on the subtitles.

Rebecca Ferguson does like to whisper talk all her lines. Between that and all the weird names, I definitely get how sub titles can be helpful.

But if it took you that long to get through Dune, then maybe these movies just aren't for you...

https://instagr.am/p/C4OnLgrJT4_

100% not for me. I just came here to see if anyone else had issues with the sound.

Shmi Skywalker sits down her son.

"This sand... You will build your droid and your podracer. You will build in the sand. I call it... DESERT POWER."

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Absolute spectacle. I'm going to take my own narrow path here...

There was no northern (non-fundamentalist) vs southern (fundamentalist) Fremen in the book. Making Chani a northern Fremen combined with being relegated to concubine, and thus having her leave at the end is a large divergence from the book.

And I think the reason DV did that is because Dune Messiah is a largely boring book and will not translate to film well at all (which I've been annoyingly saying for some time). It has no action, it's short, and was only ever meant almost as an epilogue to Dune and a brief setup for Children of Dune.

So, I think DV recognizes this and made this change on purpose so that the next part would be watchable. And I think it was probably the right move from a movie going experience.

I do think part one was better as a film due to pacing like others have said but this movie was certainly a great watch.

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People are actually saying part one was better? Wow. That is certainly a take.

I loved how they went back and had Paul using a vision of the "what if me and Jamis were buddies" future to figure things out. Making that hypothetical relationship made me actually feel the weight of Paul having to kill him even more and actually make me mourn him a little. Like a Goose or ObiWan he'd never have.