RED AG 98 said:

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StinkyPinky said:

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RED AG 98 said:

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On the topic of religion, I do think it is real but it's not like most of view religion today, at least not in the West. There isn't a singular path as we would typically believe but many potential paths and messiahs.The Bene Gesserit are also not all knowing or all present like or what we think of as "God."

I just re-read the chapter where Jessica and Paul drink the water of life... it really is amazing and I'd post it all here if I could. But that scene is an entire chapter in the book, and Herbert describes in exacting detail how they feel, how they become one with the knowledge of all past Reverend Mothers, how Jessica down to the molecular level understands and even changes the liquid as it courses through her body to react with hydrogen and make it safe. They do not become all-knowing, but they do immediately gain all knowledge from the prior reverends.

I don't think it's that they become evil; it's that their perspective is totally changed. With the benefit and burden of all of the additional knowledge, they become more focused on the task before them, and view much of the other ongoing things as distractions or obstacles in pursuit of what they are now set out to achieve.

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Yes, if anyone enjoyed the movie HIGHLY recommend reading the book because there is much depth there that takes the experience to another level.

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And this is just one instance. In reality there are bits of information about the spice, religion and the other questions here that are shared or revealed across thousands of pages. That's why the movie has always been such a challenge to do well. And why all of us are struggling to give succint answers. And why I think a multi-season serial would be absolutely amazing.

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Absolutely! My comment was on the book in its entirety. The movie hardly even touches explains the Fremen and their society hierarchy, the Sardaukar, Feyd and the last battle, Bene Gesserit, etc that are all fascinating in their own right.

Got it. Thanks for the explanation.

So were Paul's prophetic dreams from before arriving on Arrakis just due to his lineage/genetics from his mother?

Yep, makes sense. Feels very Bran becoming the three eyed Raven.

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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The movie was great as both a stand-alone and the conclusion to the first part. I have only read Dune Messiah once, back in the 80s, so I cannot determine what changes were made to be able to set up DV's third movie. Possibly something with Chani heading into the desert rather than staying with Paul as already discussed.

I thought Chalamet did a great job portraying Paul's growth over these two movies. And damn if his reunion with Gurney was not an emotional moment. I also like Javier Bardem's work as Stilgar - he provided some humor here but was also used to great effect to show the religious aspect that drove the Fremen, well, the southern Fremen apparently. Good choice in not having Alia actually born as in the 1984 movie. Oh, and Rebecca Ferguson is strong as Jessica but also good to look at.

I listened to the score several times this week. I thought it was good, but now having heard it in the movie, it became so much better. This is my typical experience with Zimmer.

So one question. I don't think I missed any explanation, not sure one was provided, but once one gets on a worm to go for a ride, how does one get off that thing?

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Believe they just basically are tired out and ready to dip once they stop hooking their flaps open

Edit, sorry, never mind. I got tricked by my own thread title!

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Yeah, I'm on my phone and screwed up. Apologies.

AgGrad99 said:

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In the scene right after he rode the worm, they were in bed together.

My son leaned over and whispered...'first he rode the worm, then she did.'

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Son knows things.

TCTTS said:

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Yeah, I'm on my phone and screwed up. Apologies.

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Just got out, quick question…

Was that last of the remaining Atreidis to get killed (the one that wasn't drugged) Dr. Yueh? If so, did I miss something in the first movie that implied Vladimir didn't actually kill him?

I can't find anything anywhere saying he was still alive.

Game of thrones primarily is based European history, on the Wars of the Roses

Sure, and Star Wars is primarily based on the sci-fi serials Lucas grew up watching, but you can definitely see the inspiration they took from Dune as well.

What an amazing adaptation of one of my favorite books. Absolutely loved it.

Random stuff I loved:
Seeing Bene Gesserit seduction techniques on full display
The northern vs Southern Fremen stuff. I don't remember that from the book.
Prophecy vs propaganda was handled extremely well. One of my favorite parts of the book.
Irulans's journal entries, an important part of the book. Each chapter starts with one. Pugh didn't have a ton of screen time, but she did amazing with what she had. Would love to see more of her in the sequel.
Everything on Giedi Prime. The tone, the look, especially Butler's Feyd. Extremely creepy and well done. I think he did something with his voice to sound more like Skarsgard.

Random thoughts:
Bautista and Walken weren't given much to do. Wish Raban had been able to earn his nickname "Beast" with the Fremen. Then the Fremen get their revenge on him instead of Gurney.
I thought Tim Blake Nelson was supposed to be Count Fenring in this. I guess him and Stephen McKinley Henderson's Thufir got left on the cutting room floor.
Zendaya has the absolute best looks on her face for "who are you/what do you think you are doing/I don't trust you." I liked most of her changes from the book, of which there was a lot, except her riding off at the end. I guess it was an attempt to modernize her a bit?
The Alia, Paul's sister, stuff was handled very well. They made her almost menacing in the womb and it could have gone wrong so many different ways.
The kids complained that there were too many words they didn't know what they meant. At least that is accurate to the book too.

Yes, pretty much.
Reverend Mothers can only access the female lineage memories.
Kwisatz Haderach can access both male and female. Also visions of the future.

Five stars! No notes!

Jk I do have one gripe and it's Austin Butler. I do not think he is a good actor, and fortunately Fayd doesn't have much to really do but be menacing. BUT his lingering Elvis voice took me out of it a few times.

I agree that I like most of Chani's changes. I think it sets up Paul's arc in Messiah well, although I'm not sure how that will work out between them.

I thought Walken was actually good in the role. He had dead eyes as a man in decline, but his very presence brought enough heft, IMO. I thought Pugh was good too and I think she will do really well in that role in Part Three.

Question for the book readers.

So the reverend mother was the one who talked the emperor into taking out that Atriedes house. Why was she concerned with them? My guess was bc she could not control them. Always about control.

Bene Gesserit have their own plans they've been building for centuries. They may or may not overlap with the Emperor's plans. However, their reasons to attack are pretty much the same: the Atreides are too powerful, strong military, and popular with other houses, and potential rivals. Both Emperor and BG took out a rival to their plans they thought they could no longer control.

Can someone explain to me the part where it's revealed that lady jessica got impregnated by the baron and the baron was Paul's grandfather? I had to run to the restroom and came in the middle of that part.

That was part of the BG breeding program, as an attempt to get the Kwizatz Hadderach. Jessica was supposed to have a daughter that was to be bred with Feyd. She had a son to please Leto, against the BG direction.

lurker76 said:

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That was part of the BG breeding program, as an attempt to get the Kwizatz Hadderach. Jessica was supposed to have a daughter that was to be bred with Feyd. She had a son to please Leto, against the BG direction.

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Ok, thanks. I totally missed that.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Sure, and Star Wars is primarily based on the sci-fi serials Lucas grew up watching, but you can definitely see the inspiration they took from Dune as well.

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I should have specified the major houses part in my reply. But yea, Dune is probably the book I would recommend most to anyone looking to read.