*** MONARCH: LEGACY OF MONSTERS *** (Apple TV+ Godzilla Series)

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Russell is only in this series, not the 2014 movie.
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I watched the first two episodes and I don't really like it, but I'm not ready to give up on it yet either. I'm hoping this doesn't become another Invasion and they're able to turn it around. I don't really get what the point of the show is so far. If I start typing out all the stuff that doesn't make sense I feel like I'll convince myself to not watch it again.
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I'm a 100% biased toward liking this for the sake of having another sojourn in the monsterverse. I've been a geek for Godzilla movies since I was a kid. So far, I'm still interested and am looking forward to the next episode...but I hope we get more play with the kaijus soon.
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I'm enjoying this so far, curious to see where it's going (I'm also a sucker for creature/monster films).

And interesting that one of my favorite comic writers (Matt Fraction, best known for his incredible Hawkeye run that the show was loosely based on) is credited as a creator and writer.
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I thought the first 2 episodes were a little confusing at first but made sense later. Liking it so far. Of course, I loved their old Godzilla movies when I was a kid. It's a monster movie. Not an academy award winner.
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Episode 3 is out early.
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fig96 said:

Episode 3 is out early.
Good show so far. Enjoying the back and forth between the past & present.

Good flashback with Godzilla to the the Bikini Atoll explosion.
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fig96 said:

I'm enjoying this so far, curious to see where it's going (I'm also a sucker for creature/monster films).

And interesting that one of my favorite comic writers (Matt Fraction, best known for his incredible Hawkeye run that the show was loosely based on) is credited as a creator and writer.


I haven't watch this show yet but have read that arc. If that is the case, that would explain the slow development and lack of big oomph with this show so far...from what I've interpreted from this thread.
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Episode 3 felt like things are starting to move. Good show.

I did really enjoy the Bikini Atoll sequence that was referenced in the opening credits, I think, of 2014's Godzilla

Rewatched a guilty pleasure of mine, Godzilla: King of the Monsters, and Godzilla vs Kong yesterday, and am going to see the new Godzilla movie that opens next week, Godzilla Minus One or something like that.
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This show is growing on me, as I really love the universe this is set in. I think I have figured out the big twist of this season in regards to the all the family. Spoiler Theory below:


Kurt Russel is actually the father of the absent father, and thus the grandfather to the 2 kids. It ties to the "a secret and a lie are not the same thing dialougue from episode 3. I think based on kurt russells reactions and the fact that their father maybe learned this secret is what could lead to a reveal late in the season
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The Porkchop Express said:

My favorite part of this universe is the fight on the battleships in Kong v. Godzilla.

Kong is a mega ape with the sharpest teeth and most powerful jaws on the planet, and strength that could rip most animals limb from limb, but decides to instead curl up his fist and throw a punch at Godzilla.

And Godzilla, who given their relative sizes, is at least 300 feet away from that punch's origin, just stands there and takes it with zero reaction to getting out of the way.


Aircraft carrier, maybe?
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agracer said:

The Porkchop Express said:

My favorite part of this universe is the fight on the battleships in Kong v. Godzilla.

Kong is a mega ape with the sharpest teeth and most powerful jaws on the planet, and strength that could rip most animals limb from limb, but decides to instead curl up his fist and throw a punch at Godzilla.

And Godzilla, who given their relative sizes, is at least 300 feet away from that punch's origin, just stands there and takes it with zero reaction to getting out of the way.


Aircraft carrier, maybe?
Yeah, it was an aircraft carrier.
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An aircraft carrier is still a ship built for battle
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Started watching last night; I like it although I do want to know more about how he ended up with two families…

I do like the building of background and characters that would be hard to develop in a movie.
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TCTTS said:

Captain Winky said:

I love me some Godzilla but the acting in this is distractingly bad.

He seems like a nice enough guy, but I will never understand how Anders Holm continues to be a professional working actor.


He's the only reason this is in my watch list.
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This is quickly veering off into too-boring-to-watch territory. I don't need 40 minutes of backstory between the asian kid and the other chick on how they met and fell in love. What purpose does that serve other than to show why they argue so much in the present? Aside from the episode with the nuclear bomb test, I haven't learned anything about Monarch or the monsters and haven't been given a reason to care.

How many more episodes is this season? They need to lean into the monsters pretty heavily, pretty quickly.
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I have hopes the show will start to pick up soon, but the most recent episode is starting to make me doubt that.
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Right there with you. Four episodes in, and I still have no idea why this show exists. If anything, they've only made Monarch look far more worse and incompetent.
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Yeah, is the point of this show to make Monarch look like a bunch of bumbling idiots? The scene in the command center was weird with the lady shushing everyone when the idiot with a beard talked.

Why name the series after this mysterious organization if you are just going to make them out to be complete morons.
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Exactly. And borderline evil bumbling idiots, at that, in how they went after the two main Asian characters, kept Kurt Russel's character in confinement, etc.

Big picture, I just don't get the whole Monarch dynamic at all.

- In the first movie they were essentially the good guys, with Ken Watanabe's stoic/respectable character leading the organization. Yes, they were shadowy, and had kept decades of secrets, but ultimately they had a noble aim.

- Then in the second movie, if I remember correctly, they started out good, but then Vera Farming's character, who works for them, goes off the deep end or something and basically unleashes all the titans to try and save the planet?

- But then in the third movie, Rebecca Hall's character works for Monarch, and they're mostly the good guys again?

Whereas, in this show, which takes place between the first and second movie, Monarch is seemingly a bunch of semi-evil bumbling idiots, chasing after the good guys, and I just don't understand the dynamic at all.
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Quote:

- Then in the second movie, if I remember correctly, they started out good, but then Vera Farming's character, who works for them, goes off the deep end or something and basically unleashes all the titans to try and save the planet?
She's linked up with the eco-terrorists who are releasing all the titans because they think that will restore balance to the force...err, planet.
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This show is about to be a no-go. More monsters, less people. It was ok for about the first 2 episodes…. The last 2 have suuuckked.
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zooguy96 said:

This show is about to be a no-go. More monsters, less people. It was ok for about the first 2 episodes…. The last 2 have suuuckked.


Yeah the last one I don't think had any monsters other than a flashback. Way to drama queen.

Still going to keep going. Kurt Russell is still awesome.
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I will watch all of this, but I am growing a bit restless. Where the monsters at?
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The good looking Japanese daughter just HAD to be a lesbian.
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Muy said:

The good looking Japanese daughter just HAD to be a lesbian.
And apparently she was a wh**e.
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Muy said:

The good looking Japanese daughter just HAD to be a lesbian.
Giant eye-roll when i saw that.....leave social issues out of the story. Too polarizing.
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CoppellAg93 said:

Muy said:

The good looking Japanese daughter just HAD to be a lesbian.
And apparently she was a wh**e.
The more important takeaway here relative to her dad's two family history.
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Ok, I am officially out and giving up on this show. I don't care that the main character is a lesbo.

This is a show about people and the aftermath of the kaiju destroying everything. Cool. If you are going to make a Godzilla show and have him and other monsters for 2 minutes total, at least make the human characters interesting. This is basically a teen drama with terrible actors spending most of the time just looking really sad at the camera. They are all so completely uninteresting and boring.

Name the show after a secret organization that we know very little about and then spend no time going into the history of the organization and what they do. Just make them look like a bunch of bumbling idiots who get foiled by a rag-tag team of teen drama queens. So dumb.

What a huge let down this has been. I stand by my other comments that Apple TV+ is just overall bad. Except for a couple of shows, everything has been a major disappointment.
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The show is pretty bad and I've given up on it. But overall, I think Apple+ has a high hit rate
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The show is starting to find its stride
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So slow
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This show would be great if they would just kill off all the young adult actors and let Kurt do his thing.
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Just now catching up with episode seven (eight is the latest episode), and that was easily one of the worst episodes of TV I've seen in quite some time. I'm basically just hate-watching at this point/trying to finish what I started. But what a muddy, boring, aimless, goofy, poorly written disappointment this show continues to be.

For every great Apple series - and they have plenty of great ones - man, do they produce some absolute dogsh*t, particularly when it comes to sci-fi. This… InvasionExtrapolations… all such bland, overly expensive crap.
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