aTmAg said:Back to this? Where did I say "just doing raids"? Oh that's right, I didn't. In fact, I said (and you quoted right here in this post) the opposite:Sapper Redux said:aTmAg said:Good God that is your claim?Sapper Redux said:aTmAg said:Nobody said raids are the "solution'. But they do help.Sapper Redux said:aTmAg said:And none of that refutes anything I said.Sapper Redux said:aTmAg said:
And saying "raids don't solve the problem" is like saying that arresting murderers doesn't solve the murder problem. Of course not. It's not supposed to "solve" the problem, just make them happen a lot less often.
Except the victims in a murder are dead and murderers are rarely part of a larger group. The victims in trafficking are alive and often victimized again because they are left without support or resources and the networks that allow trafficking are intact.
Rape victims aren't dead, theft victims aren't dead, assault victims aren't dead. Yet it is still worthwhile going after all of those criminals because we want less of that stuff happening.
That doesn't mean that we wouldn't ALSO go after the networks and support victims.
I didn't say to not arrest traffickers. I said that raids are not the solution to trafficking. Not even close. They can cause bigger problems than they solve when done wrong.
And what do you consider "doing it wrong"? Shooting everybody in the room? I think these guys are pretty squared away on not doing it "wrong". It's not like they are Dateline NBC.
Conducting a raid, saying you liberated kids, and then doing almost nothing to help get those kids care and support so that they don't wind up victims again is doing it wrong. Sort of like what Ballard and other groups like IJM have done.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/07/22/the-new-abolitionists-mexico-dominican-republic-human-trafficking-mormon-our/
Why should it be on him to provide or pay for the kids care and support afterwards? That's what therapists are for. Should a cop, who rescues a battered woman from her abusive husband, be on the hook to make sure she gets care and support and doesn't go back to her husband? Hell no. That's somebody else's job.
I don't blame therapists for not breaking into houses to rescue abused kids. That's not their job either. People should do what they are good at. I don't get pissed at my auto mechanic for failing to install a new motherboard on my PC. Maybe because I'm not desperately trying to find something senseless to blame him for.
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Oh, my bad. I thought you were interested in stopping human trafficking. Clearly not, since just doing raids doesn't actually stop trafficking. At all.And the notion that THIS ONE GUY is responsible for EVERY aspect of the war on child trafficking is idiotic. Your criticism of him is as senseless as blaming Oskar Schindler for not defeating the entire German war machine by himself.Quote:
That doesn't mean that we wouldn't ALSO go after the networks and support victims.
No wonder you fled F16. I forgot how bad you are at this.
Can you provide evidence that just raiding small time hoods and releasing the trafficked people back to the environment that led them to be trafficked in the first place actually prevents or limits trafficking? I've already provided discussions of the problems with Ballard's approach. The people who have spent their careers researching and working on the issue have explained their problems with Ballard's approach. You aren't actually addressing that. You're just asserting that raids disconnected from any larger program are effective. Prove it.