TCTTS said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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TCTTS said:

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And so it begins. Again.

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What begins? Please tell the class how "Q" directly incited January 6th…apparently the most horrific day in the history of the world.

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https://abcnews.go.com/US/qanon-emerges-recurring-theme-criminal-cases-tied-us/story?id=75347445

https://www.insider.com/capitol-riots-qanon-protest-conspiracy-theory-washington-dc-protests-2021-1

https://www.businessinsider.com/qanon-trump-capitol-attack-belief-precursor-the-storm-2021-1

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/qanon-capitol-congress-riot-trump-b1784460.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/09/us/capitol-rioters.html

https://www.voanews.com/a/usa_capitol-riot-exposed-qanons-violent-potential/6203967.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/13/qanon-capitol-siege-trump/

https://theweek.com/politics/1000962/the-qanon-contradiction

https://theconversation.com/qanon-and-the-storm-of-the-u-s-capitol-the-offline-effect-of-online-conspiracy-theories-152815

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_incidents_involving_QAnon

Also, see the HBO documentary thread linked to above, which outlines it all great detail.

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DargelSkout said:

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TCTTS, I have a question.

First off, I'm a conservative that never got into the whole Qanon stuff. I really don't even understand what it is. I do remember seeing it on F16, but thought it was some big troll job.

Do you think that most people hear about movies through the promotional interviews that you posted?

I don't think that they do. I think most people are like me and see trailers while watching other movies/shows or learn about upcoming movies through word of mouth. I found out about this movie while watching The Chosen. When I saw the trailer, I never got a hint of Qanon stuff or anything political.

Nor did I even know the political leanings of the actor and creators of the film. It wasn't until you injected that into this thread that I learned they're into Qanon stuff.

Admittedly, I don't keep up with hollywood gossip or actors beliefs. I know a few of their political thoughts, like Penn and Baldwin, but still enjoy their movies.

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My argument isn't that "most people" - especially those on the left - are watching Jim Caviezel interviews with Steve Bannon.

Because they're not.

Obviously.

The issue is that the mainstream media/social media get wind of those interviews, and more importantly the crazy stuff Caviezel says in them, and *that's* what leads to nearly every headline of every mainstream review of this movie saying things like "Sound of Freedom, the QAnon adjacent film…"

In other words, if in promoting the movie, Caviezel didn't use QAnon talking points while speaking to controversial figures like Steve freaking Bannon, the mainstream media/social media would have nothing to latch onto in that regard, and then many here wouldn't be up in arms at them associating the movie with QAnon.

Which, again, is no one's fault but Jim Caviezel's. So blame him.

And I know a number of people here like to downplay QAnon, or talk about how they know nothing about it, but A) that isn't the flex you think it is, and B) a ton of Americans are still super skittish about January 6th, which was directly incited by QAnon, so now there's an overzealousness to label anything with a whiff of QAnon *as* QAnon, and stomp out anything associated with it.

Anyway, I've explained this multiple times in this thread now, and there will no doubt be all kinds of goal post moving and dumb excuse making in response, as per usual, but whatever.

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Tibbers said:

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TCTTS said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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TCTTS said:

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And so it begins. Again.

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What begins? Please tell the class how "Q" directly incited January 6th…apparently the most horrific day in the history of the world.

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https://abcnews.go.com/US/qanon-emerges-recurring-theme-criminal-cases-tied-us/story?id=75347445

https://www.insider.com/capitol-riots-qanon-protest-conspiracy-theory-washington-dc-protests-2021-1

https://www.businessinsider.com/qanon-trump-capitol-attack-belief-precursor-the-storm-2021-1

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/qanon-capitol-congress-riot-trump-b1784460.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/09/us/capitol-rioters.html

https://www.voanews.com/a/usa_capitol-riot-exposed-qanons-violent-potential/6203967.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/13/qanon-capitol-siege-trump/

https://theweek.com/politics/1000962/the-qanon-contradiction

https://theconversation.com/qanon-and-the-storm-of-the-u-s-capitol-the-offline-effect-of-online-conspiracy-theories-152815

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_incidents_involving_QAnon

Also, see the HBO documentary thread linked to above, which outlines it all great detail.

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I knew it. You watched the doc and think you know what Q is about. Read the posts and see for yourself but you won't. You don't have the wherewithal or intellectual honesty to do so it seems. You are chasing your tail sir.

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Jsimonds58 said:

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Are we really playing gotcha here by trying to say that because he didn't say Qanon by NAME, that his peddling of all the horse**** conspiracies is somehow better and different?

I mean is that what this argument has devolved to at this point?

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aTmAg said:

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Sapper Redux said:

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aTmAg said:

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Sapper Redux said:

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aTmAg said:

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And saying "raids don't solve the problem" is like saying that arresting murderers doesn't solve the murder problem. Of course not. It's not supposed to "solve" the problem, just make them happen a lot less often.

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Except the victims in a murder are dead and murderers are rarely part of a larger group. The victims in trafficking are alive and often victimized again because they are left without support or resources and the networks that allow trafficking are intact.

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And none of that refutes anything I said.

Rape victims aren't dead, theft victims aren't dead, assault victims aren't dead. Yet it is still worthwhile going after all of those criminals because we want less of that stuff happening.

That doesn't mean that we wouldn't ALSO go after the networks and support victims.

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I didn't say to not arrest traffickers. I said that raids are not the solution to trafficking. Not even close. They can cause bigger problems than they solve when done wrong.

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Nobody said raids are the "solution'. But they do help.

And what do you consider "doing it wrong"? Shooting everybody in the room? I think these guys are pretty squared away on not doing it "wrong". It's not like they are Dateline NBC.

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Jsimonds58 said:

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Are we really playing gotcha here by trying to say that because he didn't say Qanon by NAME, that his peddling of all the horse**** conspiracies is somehow better and different?

I mean is that what this argument has devolved to at this point?

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snowdog90 said:

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Jsimonds58 said:

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Are we really playing gotcha here by trying to say that because he didn't say Qanon by NAME, that his peddling of all the horse**** conspiracies is somehow better and different?

I mean is that what this argument has devolved to at this point?

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Wow, this is some horse ***** He didn't bring Qanon into this, the media did. They did it to try to discredit him. They are lying, and you are a useless idiot going right along with them. Facts don't matter to you or them.

Adrenochrome is NOT synonymous to Qanon.

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snowdog90 said:

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TCTTS said:

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Jsimonds58 said:

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Are we really playing gotcha here by trying to say that because he didn't say Qanon by NAME, that his peddling of all the horse**** conspiracies is somehow better and different?

I mean is that what this argument has devolved to at this point?

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This is what they've been reduced to. The goal posts have been moved so many times, and their pretzel logic has become so twisted, that I don't even know what to say anymore.

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So where did Caviezel or Ballard introduce Qanon into their marketing?

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Sapper Redux said:

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snowdog90 said:

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Jsimonds58 said:

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Are we really playing gotcha here by trying to say that because he didn't say Qanon by NAME, that his peddling of all the horse**** conspiracies is somehow better and different?

I mean is that what this argument has devolved to at this point?

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Wow, this is some horse ***** He didn't bring Qanon into this, the media did. They did it to try to discredit him. They are lying, and you are a useless idiot going right along with them. Facts don't matter to you or them.

Adrenochrome is NOT synonymous to Qanon.

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The idea that it's a secret fountain of youth that's harvested from tortured kids is absolutely synonymous with QAnon. It's only prior history is from the hard right "Pizzagate" types who fed into QAnon.

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TCTTS said:

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snowdog90 said:

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TCTTS said:

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Jsimonds58 said:

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Are we really playing gotcha here by trying to say that because he didn't say Qanon by NAME, that his peddling of all the horse**** conspiracies is somehow better and different?

I mean is that what this argument has devolved to at this point?

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This is what they've been reduced to. The goal posts have been moved so many times, and their pretzel logic has become so twisted, that I don't even know what to say anymore.

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So where did Caviezel or Ballard introduce Qanon into their marketing?

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And with that, I think we've officially reached the end of our time here.

This question has been asked and answered what feels like a hundred times now, to the point of absurdity, where I just can't believe that someone is seriously, genuinely asking it again now.

We have to be getting played at this point.

You guys have fun!

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Sapper Redux said:

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snowdog90 said:

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Jsimonds58 said:

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Are we really playing gotcha here by trying to say that because he didn't say Qanon by NAME, that his peddling of all the horse**** conspiracies is somehow better and different?

I mean is that what this argument has devolved to at this point?

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Wow, this is some horse ***** He didn't bring Qanon into this, the media did. They did it to try to discredit him. They are lying, and you are a useless idiot going right along with them. Facts don't matter to you or them.

Adrenochrome is NOT synonymous to Qanon.

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The idea that it's a secret fountain of youth that's harvested from tortured kids is absolutely synonymous with QAnon. It's only prior history is from the hard right "Pizzagate" types who fed into QAnon.

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snowdog90 said:

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Sapper Redux said:

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snowdog90 said:

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Jsimonds58 said:

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Are we really playing gotcha here by trying to say that because he didn't say Qanon by NAME, that his peddling of all the horse**** conspiracies is somehow better and different?

I mean is that what this argument has devolved to at this point?

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Wow, this is some horse ***** He didn't bring Qanon into this, the media did. They did it to try to discredit him. They are lying, and you are a useless idiot going right along with them. Facts don't matter to you or them.

Adrenochrome is NOT synonymous to Qanon.

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The idea that it's a secret fountain of youth that's harvested from tortured kids is absolutely synonymous with QAnon. It's only prior history is from the hard right "Pizzagate" types who fed into QAnon.

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This movie clip is from 12 years ago and is a semi-biographical look at Hunter S. Thompson, one of the most depraved scumbags of the last 50 years. The clip is supposed to be from the 70s or 80s, I believe.

Well before Qanon.

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Sapper Redux said:

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aTmAg said:

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Sapper Redux said:

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aTmAg said:

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Sapper Redux said:

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aTmAg said:

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And saying "raids don't solve the problem" is like saying that arresting murderers doesn't solve the murder problem. Of course not. It's not supposed to "solve" the problem, just make them happen a lot less often.

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Except the victims in a murder are dead and murderers are rarely part of a larger group. The victims in trafficking are alive and often victimized again because they are left without support or resources and the networks that allow trafficking are intact.

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And none of that refutes anything I said.

Rape victims aren't dead, theft victims aren't dead, assault victims aren't dead. Yet it is still worthwhile going after all of those criminals because we want less of that stuff happening.

That doesn't mean that we wouldn't ALSO go after the networks and support victims.

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I didn't say to not arrest traffickers. I said that raids are not the solution to trafficking. Not even close. They can cause bigger problems than they solve when done wrong.

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Nobody said raids are the "solution'. But they do help.

And what do you consider "doing it wrong"? Shooting everybody in the room? I think these guys are pretty squared away on not doing it "wrong". It's not like they are Dateline NBC.

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Conducting a raid, saying you liberated kids, and then doing almost nothing to help get those kids care and support so that they don't wind up victims again is doing it wrong. Sort of like what Ballard and other groups like IJM have done.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/07/22/the-new-abolitionists-mexico-dominican-republic-human-trafficking-mormon-our/

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TCTTS said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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TCTTS said:

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And so it begins. Again.

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What begins? Please tell the class how "Q" directly incited January 6th…apparently the most horrific day in the history of the world.

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https://abcnews.go.com/US/qanon-emerges-recurring-theme-criminal-cases-tied-us/story?id=75347445

https://www.insider.com/capitol-riots-qanon-protest-conspiracy-theory-washington-dc-protests-2021-1

https://www.businessinsider.com/qanon-trump-capitol-attack-belief-precursor-the-storm-2021-1

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/qanon-capitol-congress-riot-trump-b1784460.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/09/us/capitol-rioters.html

https://www.voanews.com/a/usa_capitol-riot-exposed-qanons-violent-potential/6203967.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/13/qanon-capitol-siege-trump/

https://theweek.com/politics/1000962/the-qanon-contradiction

https://theconversation.com/qanon-and-the-storm-of-the-u-s-capitol-the-offline-effect-of-online-conspiracy-theories-152815

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_incidents_involving_QAnon

Also, see the HBO documentary thread linked to above, which outlines it all great detail.

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• The chief of the capital police saying the crowd that day was swimming with feds?


• Nancy Pelosi refusing the national guard and extra security knowing what was potentially to unfold?


• Nancy Pelosi's daughter (and film crew) just happened to be there that day filming?


• Throwing anyone and everyone, including grandmas, in prison for taking selfies with no due process yet Ray Epps is free to walk around no questions asked?


• Who is Ray Epps?


• What happened to the "pipe bombs"? They were able to geolocate random nobodies and throw them in prison but not a peep about the "pipe bombs" that almost killed AOC even though she wasn't there?


• FBI official offering a "no comment" to every question Ted Cruz asked regarding the numbers of feds in the crowd that day?


• If it was an insurrection, how come nobody had weapons?

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They didn't directly, but many of their messaging suggest they are quite familiar Q and their movement. What I don't understand is how that is a bad thing. But hey, maybe the guy that watched a doc and got spooked can fill us in.

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Squadron7 said:

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Please explain to be what I said that was wrong. I would love to hear.

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In retrospect, I may be in error here. When I read the following...

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B) a ton of Americans are still super skittish about January 6th, which was directly incited by QAnon, so now there's an overzealousness to label anything with a whiff of QAnon *as* QAnon, and stomp out anything associated with it.

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I surmised that you, too, were part of this group.

If you are not, I apologize.

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snowdog90 said:

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Sapper Redux said:

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snowdog90 said:

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Jsimonds58 said:

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Are we really playing gotcha here by trying to say that because he didn't say Qanon by NAME, that his peddling of all the horse**** conspiracies is somehow better and different?

I mean is that what this argument has devolved to at this point?

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Wow, this is some horse ***** He didn't bring Qanon into this, the media did. They did it to try to discredit him. They are lying, and you are a useless idiot going right along with them. Facts don't matter to you or them.

Adrenochrome is NOT synonymous to Qanon.

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The idea that it's a secret fountain of youth that's harvested from tortured kids is absolutely synonymous with QAnon. It's only prior history is from the hard right "Pizzagate" types who fed into QAnon.

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This movie clip is from 12 years ago and is a semi-biographical look at Hunter S. Thompson, one of the most depraved scumbags of the last 50 years. The clip is supposed to be from the 70s or 80s, I believe.

Well before Qanon.

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Sapper Redux said:

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aTmAg said:

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Sapper Redux said:

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aTmAg said:

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Sapper Redux said:

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aTmAg said:

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Sapper Redux said:

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aTmAg said:

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And saying "raids don't solve the problem" is like saying that arresting murderers doesn't solve the murder problem. Of course not. It's not supposed to "solve" the problem, just make them happen a lot less often.

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Except the victims in a murder are dead and murderers are rarely part of a larger group. The victims in trafficking are alive and often victimized again because they are left without support or resources and the networks that allow trafficking are intact.

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And none of that refutes anything I said.

Rape victims aren't dead, theft victims aren't dead, assault victims aren't dead. Yet it is still worthwhile going after all of those criminals because we want less of that stuff happening.

That doesn't mean that we wouldn't ALSO go after the networks and support victims.

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I didn't say to not arrest traffickers. I said that raids are not the solution to trafficking. Not even close. They can cause bigger problems than they solve when done wrong.

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Nobody said raids are the "solution'. But they do help.

And what do you consider "doing it wrong"? Shooting everybody in the room? I think these guys are pretty squared away on not doing it "wrong". It's not like they are Dateline NBC.

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Conducting a raid, saying you liberated kids, and then doing almost nothing to help get those kids care and support so that they don't wind up victims again is doing it wrong. Sort of like what Ballard and other groups like IJM have done.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/07/22/the-new-abolitionists-mexico-dominican-republic-human-trafficking-mormon-our/

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Good God that is your claim?

Why should it be on him to provide or pay for the kids care and support afterwards? That's what therapists are for. Should a cop, who rescues a battered woman from her abusive husband, be on the hook to make sure she gets care and support and doesn't go back to her husband? Hell no. That's somebody else's job.

I don't blame therapists for not breaking into houses to rescue abused kids. That's not their job either. People should do what they are good at. I don't get pissed at my auto mechanic for failing to install a new motherboard on my PC. Maybe because I'm not desperately trying to find something senseless to blame him for.

LOL

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Oh, my bad. I thought you were interested in stopping human trafficking. Clearly not, since just doing raids doesn't actually stop trafficking. At all.

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That doesn't mean that we wouldn't ALSO go after the networks and support victims.

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Sapper Redux said:

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snowdog90 said:

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Sapper Redux said:

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snowdog90 said:

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Jsimonds58 said:

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Are we really playing gotcha here by trying to say that because he didn't say Qanon by NAME, that his peddling of all the horse**** conspiracies is somehow better and different?

I mean is that what this argument has devolved to at this point?

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Wow, this is some horse ***** He didn't bring Qanon into this, the media did. They did it to try to discredit him. They are lying, and you are a useless idiot going right along with them. Facts don't matter to you or them.

Adrenochrome is NOT synonymous to Qanon.

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The idea that it's a secret fountain of youth that's harvested from tortured kids is absolutely synonymous with QAnon. It's only prior history is from the hard right "Pizzagate" types who fed into QAnon.

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This movie clip is from 12 years ago and is a semi-biographical look at Hunter S. Thompson, one of the most depraved scumbags of the last 50 years. The clip is supposed to be from the 70s or 80s, I believe.

Well before Qanon.

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Now show the clip where he claims a global cabal of elites is harvesting the chemical from children they torture.

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