is this real

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maybe continuing to tell all of us "libs" that we're dragging down society, want to load up preschool tv with homosexual content (which no one has talked about except you brining it up multiple times), taking our toddlers to drag brunches, etc., isn't a fair assumption?

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I don't know about "libs." But you do realize Disney executives were caught on camera talking about their "not-at-all-secret gay agenda" and adding "queerness to children's programming," with one of the company's presidents saying she wanted 50 percent of the characters in Disney productions to be LGBTQIA or racial minorities by the end of 2022?

Disney even ended gendered greetings at its parks, which had existed for decades, to be more "inclusive."

People aren't making this stuff up. This is the company's stated goal.

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Just for those who haven't seen it...

https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2022/3/30/disney-execs-promote-not-so-secret-gay-agenda-leaked-internal-vid

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From what I see and hear, Disney's only "agenda" is attempting to normalize something we agree *should* be normalized. As an act of empathy and inclusivity. And because it is the kind thing to do.

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Should open relationships/swinger lifestyles or polygamy be normalized in childrens' entertainment? Or is that too "weird" or "yucky" for some of yall? Could you at least understand how someone who has small children and is pro nuclear family wouldn't want that stuff wedged into Sesame Street, or whatever?

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Brittmoore Car Club said:

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EclipseAg said:

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maybe continuing to tell all of us "libs" that we're dragging down society, want to load up preschool tv with homosexual content (which no one has talked about except you brining it up multiple times), taking our toddlers to drag brunches, etc., isn't a fair assumption?

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I don't know about "libs." But you do realize Disney executives were caught on camera talking about their "not-at-all-secret gay agenda" and adding "queerness to children's programming," with one of the company's presidents saying she wanted 50 percent of the characters in Disney productions to be LGBTQIA or racial minorities by the end of 2022?

Disney even ended gendered greetings at its parks, which had existed for decades, to be more "inclusive."

People aren't making this stuff up. This is the company's stated goal.

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Just for those who haven't seen it...

https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2022/3/30/disney-execs-promote-not-so-secret-gay-agenda-leaked-internal-vid

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This isn't the "gotcha" y'all think it is.

For the 400th time, for the cheap seats... these people, along with many, many others, including myself, don't see being gay as a "sin" or "bad" or worth freaking out over in any way, shape or form. And because we don't see it as a negative, we could not care less if it's depicted in the things our children watch, as long as it's not overly sexualized. Basically, if it's something a hetero couple can be seen doing in a Disney movie, we have absolutely no issue with a gay couple doing the same thing in a Disney movie.

And so far, to my knowledge, Disney hasn't crossed that line, nor does it appear they intend to.

From what I see and hear, Disney's only "agenda" is attempting to normalize something we agree *should* be normalized. As an act of empathy and inclusivity. And because it is the kind thing to do.

This doesn't mean they're trying to turn your kids gay (which is preposterous).

This doesn't mean they're trying to get your kids to march in pride parades on floats with gay strippers.

They're simply doing what they can to try and create a more tolerable society.

Now, can Disney and others go overboard in this regard? Absolutely. Because of the staunch opposition that often goes equally overboard, it inevitably escalates into a pissing match, where advocation can quickly turn into an attempt at submission. And neither side is without fault in that regard.

Also, I have to clarify, once more, that this doesn't mean that I'm pro drag-shows-for kids, and I admit that that the trans kids issue is a delicate one, and that some on the left are going overboard in that regard as well.

What I'm talking about is basic *depiction* here, when it comes to gay people in Disney movies.

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Wait, so it's Disney that is the victim here? They only go overboard because of staunch opposition that is unreasonable? And if it wasn't there there wouldn't be a pissing match?

Yeah ok sure.

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is this real

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You miss biology?

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EclipseAg said:

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fig96 said:

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fig96 said:

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Brittmoore Car Club said:

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maybe continuing to tell all of us "libs" that we're dragging down society, want to load up preschool tv with homosexual content (which no one has talked about except you brining it up multiple times), taking our toddlers to drag brunches, etc., isn't a fair assumption?

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I don't know about "libs." But you do realize Disney executives were caught on camera talking about their "not-at-all-secret gay agenda" and adding "queerness to children's programming," with one of the company's presidents saying she wanted 50 percent of the characters in Disney productions to be LGBTQIA or racial minorities by the end of 2022?

Disney even ended gendered greetings at its parks, which had existed for decades, to be more "inclusive."

People aren't making this stuff up. This is the company's stated goal.

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Just for those who haven't seen it...

https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2022/3/30/disney-execs-promote-not-so-secret-gay-agenda-leaked-internal-vid

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From what I see and hear, Disney's only "agenda" is attempting to normalize something we agree *should* be normalized. As an act of empathy and inclusivity. And because it is the kind thing to do.

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Should open relationships/swinger lifestyles or polygamy be normalized? Or is that too "weird" or "yucky" for some of yall? Could you at least understand how someone who has small children and is pro nuclear family wouldn't want that stuff wedged into Sesame Street, or whatever?

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How are you not getting this? We simply don't equate "open relationships/swinger lifestyles or polygamy" with being gay. YOU'RE the ones making that comparison. YOU'RE the ones lumping them all into the "bad" bin together. We believe that you're either born gay or you're not; that it's biological. The things you're talking about are CHOICES, and therefor aren't the same.

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fig96 said:

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fig96 said:

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maybe continuing to tell all of us "libs" that we're dragging down society, want to load up preschool tv with homosexual content (which no one has talked about except you brining it up multiple times), taking our toddlers to drag brunches, etc., isn't a fair assumption?

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I don't know about "libs." But you do realize Disney executives were caught on camera talking about their "not-at-all-secret gay agenda" and adding "queerness to children's programming," with one of the company's presidents saying she wanted 50 percent of the characters in Disney productions to be LGBTQIA or racial minorities by the end of 2022?

Disney even ended gendered greetings at its parks, which had existed for decades, to be more "inclusive."

People aren't making this stuff up. This is the company's stated goal.

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Just for those who haven't seen it...

https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2022/3/30/disney-execs-promote-not-so-secret-gay-agenda-leaked-internal-vid

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This isn't the "gotcha" y'all think it is.

For the 400th time, for the cheap seats... these people, along with many, many others, including myself, don't see being gay as a "sin" or "bad" or worth freaking out over in any way, shape or form. And because we don't see it as a negative, we could not care less if it's depicted in the things our children watch, as long as it's not overly sexualized. Basically, if it's something a hetero couple can be seen doing in a Disney movie, we have absolutely no issue with a gay couple doing the same thing in a Disney movie.

And so far, to my knowledge, Disney hasn't crossed that line, nor does it appear they intend to.

From what I see and hear, Disney's only "agenda" is attempting to normalize something we agree *should* be normalized. As an act of empathy and inclusivity. And because it is the kind thing to do.

This doesn't mean they're trying to turn your kids gay (which is preposterous).

This doesn't mean they're trying to get your kids to march in pride parades on floats with gay strippers.

They're simply doing what they can to try and create a more tolerable society.

Now, can Disney and others go overboard in this regard? Absolutely. Because of the staunch opposition that often goes equally overboard, it inevitably escalates into a pissing match, where advocation can quickly turn into an attempt at submission. And neither side is without fault in that regard.

Also, I have to clarify, once more, that this doesn't mean that I'm pro drag-shows-for kids, and I admit that that the trans kids issue is a delicate one, and that some on the left are going overboard in that regard as well.

What I'm talking about is basic *depiction* here, when it comes to gay people in Disney movies.

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Wait, so it's Disney that is the victim here? They only go overboard because of staunch opposition that is unreasonable? And if it wasn't there there wouldn't be a pissing match?

Yeah ok sure.

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"Pride" is a REACTION to decades if not centuries of a group of people being ostracized and told they're going to hell. The great irony of all of this is that if you guys weren't constantly making such a big deal about it - equating "gay" with "sin," and generally acting as if they all have cooties - the gay community wouldn't feel the need to keep rubbing it in your faces.

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fig96 said:

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fig96 said:

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maybe continuing to tell all of us "libs" that we're dragging down society, want to load up preschool tv with homosexual content (which no one has talked about except you brining it up multiple times), taking our toddlers to drag brunches, etc., isn't a fair assumption?

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I don't know about "libs." But you do realize Disney executives were caught on camera talking about their "not-at-all-secret gay agenda" and adding "queerness to children's programming," with one of the company's presidents saying she wanted 50 percent of the characters in Disney productions to be LGBTQIA or racial minorities by the end of 2022?

Disney even ended gendered greetings at its parks, which had existed for decades, to be more "inclusive."

People aren't making this stuff up. This is the company's stated goal.

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Just for those who haven't seen it...

https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2022/3/30/disney-execs-promote-not-so-secret-gay-agenda-leaked-internal-vid

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From what I see and hear, Disney's only "agenda" is attempting to normalize something we agree *should* be normalized. As an act of empathy and inclusivity. And because it is the kind thing to do.

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Should open relationships/swinger lifestyles or polygamy be normalized? Or is that too "weird" or "yucky" for some of yall? Could you at least understand how someone who has small children and is pro nuclear family wouldn't want that stuff wedged into Sesame Street, or whatever?

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How are you not getting this? We simply don't equate "open relationships/swinger lifestyles or polygamy" with being gay. YOU'RE the ones making that comparison. YOU'RE the ones lumping them all into the "bad" bin together. We believe that you're either born gay or you're not; that it's biological. The things you're talking about are CHOICES, and therefor, aren't the same.

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I don't know that being gay is entirely biological. There is a lot of theory that certain processes or chemical reactions in utero could be a factor, and then there are theories that incidents/trauma could be factors, and lastly that there are certain periods where children are more sexually fluid and susceptible to influence. I concede that in all but the latter, it would not be a choice. Literally no one would CHOOSE to be gay.

But i don't know that it is so hard wired that you can't sway people at certain ages or stages in their lives. The number of youth, girls in particular, identifying as "trans" and even "gay/bi" in the last few years is staggering and flies in the face of all of human history.

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maybe continuing to tell all of us "libs" that we're dragging down society, want to load up preschool tv with homosexual content (which no one has talked about except you brining it up multiple times), taking our toddlers to drag brunches, etc., isn't a fair assumption?

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I don't know about "libs." But you do realize Disney executives were caught on camera talking about their "not-at-all-secret gay agenda" and adding "queerness to children's programming," with one of the company's presidents saying she wanted 50 percent of the characters in Disney productions to be LGBTQIA or racial minorities by the end of 2022?

Disney even ended gendered greetings at its parks, which had existed for decades, to be more "inclusive."

People aren't making this stuff up. This is the company's stated goal.

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Just for those who haven't seen it...

https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2022/3/30/disney-execs-promote-not-so-secret-gay-agenda-leaked-internal-vid

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This isn't the "gotcha" y'all think it is.

For the 400th time, for the cheap seats... these people, along with many, many others, including myself, don't see being gay as a "sin" or "bad" or worth freaking out over in any way, shape or form. And because we don't see it as a negative, we could not care less if it's depicted in the things our children watch, as long as it's not overly sexualized. Basically, if it's something a hetero couple can be seen doing in a Disney movie, we have absolutely no issue with a gay couple doing the same thing in a Disney movie.

And so far, to my knowledge, Disney hasn't crossed that line, nor does it appear they intend to.

From what I see and hear, Disney's only "agenda" is attempting to normalize something we agree *should* be normalized. As an act of empathy and inclusivity. And because it is the kind thing to do.

This doesn't mean they're trying to turn your kids gay (which is preposterous).

This doesn't mean they're trying to get your kids to march in pride parades on floats with gay strippers.

They're simply doing what they can to try and create a more tolerable society.

Now, can Disney and others go overboard in this regard? Absolutely. Because of the staunch opposition that often goes equally overboard, it inevitably escalates into a pissing match, where advocation can quickly turn into an attempt at submission. And neither side is without fault in that regard.

Also, I have to clarify, once more, that this doesn't mean that I'm pro drag-shows-for kids, and I admit that that the trans kids issue is a delicate one, and that some on the left are going overboard in that regard as well.

What I'm talking about is basic *depiction* here, when it comes to gay people in Disney movies.

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Wait, so it's Disney that is the victim here? They only go overboard because of staunch opposition that is unreasonable? And if it wasn't there there wouldn't be a pissing match?

Yeah ok sure.

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"Pride" is a REACTION to decades if not centuries of a group of people being ostracized and told they're going to hell. The great irony of all of this is that if you guys weren't constantly making such a big deal about it - equating "gay" with "sin," and generally acting as if they all have cooties - the gay community wouldn't feel the need to keep rubbing it in your faces.

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So yes, the global corporation is the victim? Didn't have that on my bingo card.

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EclipseAg said:

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fig96 said:

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fig96 said:

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maybe continuing to tell all of us "libs" that we're dragging down society, want to load up preschool tv with homosexual content (which no one has talked about except you brining it up multiple times), taking our toddlers to drag brunches, etc., isn't a fair assumption?

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I don't know about "libs." But you do realize Disney executives were caught on camera talking about their "not-at-all-secret gay agenda" and adding "queerness to children's programming," with one of the company's presidents saying she wanted 50 percent of the characters in Disney productions to be LGBTQIA or racial minorities by the end of 2022?

Disney even ended gendered greetings at its parks, which had existed for decades, to be more "inclusive."

People aren't making this stuff up. This is the company's stated goal.

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Just for those who haven't seen it...

https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2022/3/30/disney-execs-promote-not-so-secret-gay-agenda-leaked-internal-vid

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This isn't the "gotcha" y'all think it is.

For the 400th time, for the cheap seats... these people, along with many, many others, including myself, don't see being gay as a "sin" or "bad" or worth freaking out over in any way, shape or form. And because we don't see it as a negative, we could not care less if it's depicted in the things our children watch, as long as it's not overly sexualized. Basically, if it's something a hetero couple can be seen doing in a Disney movie, we have absolutely no issue with a gay couple doing the same thing in a Disney movie.

And so far, to my knowledge, Disney hasn't crossed that line, nor does it appear they intend to.

From what I see and hear, Disney's only "agenda" is attempting to normalize something we agree *should* be normalized. As an act of empathy and inclusivity. And because it is the kind thing to do.

This doesn't mean they're trying to turn your kids gay (which is preposterous).

This doesn't mean they're trying to get your kids to march in pride parades on floats with gay strippers.

They're simply doing what they can to try and create a more tolerable society.

Now, can Disney and others go overboard in this regard? Absolutely. Because of the staunch opposition that often goes equally overboard, it inevitably escalates into a pissing match, where advocation can quickly turn into an attempt at submission. And neither side is without fault in that regard.

Also, I have to clarify, once more, that this doesn't mean that I'm pro drag-shows-for kids, and I admit that that the trans kids issue is a delicate one, and that some on the left are going overboard in that regard as well.

What I'm talking about is basic *depiction* here, when it comes to gay people in Disney movies.

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Wait, so it's Disney that is the victim here? They only go overboard because of staunch opposition that is unreasonable? And if it wasn't there there wouldn't be a pissing match?

Yeah ok sure.

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"Pride" is a REACTION to decades if not centuries of a group of people being ostracized and told they're going to hell. The great irony of all of this is that if you guys weren't constantly making such a big deal about it - equating "gay" with "sin," and generally acting as if they all have cooties - the gay community wouldn't feel the need to keep rubbing it in your faces.

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Can you imagine if blacks during the civil rights era in the 60's, who wanted to be taken seriously and just wanted equality and tolerance, just dressed like scantily clad circus freaks and engaged in public lewd debauchery like you see at Pride parades...how hard it would have been to take them seriously? It would have backfired like no other.

Pride parades signal to me that there is no real "gay struggle"...and that they are not really trying to gain tolerance and acceptance. It's just a big sexual party...all of them...some more than others.

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EclipseAg said:

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fig96 said:

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maybe continuing to tell all of us "libs" that we're dragging down society, want to load up preschool tv with homosexual content (which no one has talked about except you brining it up multiple times), taking our toddlers to drag brunches, etc., isn't a fair assumption?

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I don't know about "libs." But you do realize Disney executives were caught on camera talking about their "not-at-all-secret gay agenda" and adding "queerness to children's programming," with one of the company's presidents saying she wanted 50 percent of the characters in Disney productions to be LGBTQIA or racial minorities by the end of 2022?

Disney even ended gendered greetings at its parks, which had existed for decades, to be more "inclusive."

People aren't making this stuff up. This is the company's stated goal.

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Just for those who haven't seen it...

https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2022/3/30/disney-execs-promote-not-so-secret-gay-agenda-leaked-internal-vid

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This isn't the "gotcha" y'all think it is.

For the 400th time, for the cheap seats... these people, along with many, many others, including myself, don't see being gay as a "sin" or "bad" or worth freaking out over in any way, shape or form. And because we don't see it as a negative, we could not care less if it's depicted in the things our children watch, as long as it's not overly sexualized. Basically, if it's something a hetero couple can be seen doing in a Disney movie, we have absolutely no issue with a gay couple doing the same thing in a Disney movie.

And so far, to my knowledge, Disney hasn't crossed that line, nor does it appear they intend to.

From what I see and hear, Disney's only "agenda" is attempting to normalize something we agree *should* be normalized. As an act of empathy and inclusivity. And because it is the kind thing to do.

This doesn't mean they're trying to turn your kids gay (which is preposterous).

This doesn't mean they're trying to get your kids to march in pride parades on floats with gay strippers.

They're simply doing what they can to try and create a more tolerable society.

Now, can Disney and others go overboard in this regard? Absolutely. Because of the staunch opposition that often goes equally overboard, it inevitably escalates into a pissing match, where advocation can quickly turn into an attempt at submission. And neither side is without fault in that regard.

Also, I have to clarify, once more, that this doesn't mean that I'm pro drag-shows-for kids, and I admit that that the trans kids issue is a delicate one, and that some on the left are going overboard in that regard as well.

What I'm talking about is basic *depiction* here, when it comes to gay people in Disney movies.

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Wait, so it's Disney that is the victim here? They only go overboard because of staunch opposition that is unreasonable? And if it wasn't there there wouldn't be a pissing match?

Yeah ok sure.

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"Pride" is a REACTION to decades if not centuries of a group of people being ostracized and told they're going to hell. The great irony of all of this is that if you guys weren't constantly making such a big deal about it - equating "gay" with "sin," and generally acting as if they all have cooties - the gay community wouldn't feel the need to keep rubbing it in your faces.

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So yes, the global corporation is the victim? Didn't have that on my bingo card.

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You're putting words in my mouth, jumping to conclusions I haven't made. And typically, once that starts, it's a pretty big indication that you guys have nothing more of substance to add.

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EclipseAg said:

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fig96 said:

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fig96 said:

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maybe continuing to tell all of us "libs" that we're dragging down society, want to load up preschool tv with homosexual content (which no one has talked about except you brining it up multiple times), taking our toddlers to drag brunches, etc., isn't a fair assumption?

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I don't know about "libs." But you do realize Disney executives were caught on camera talking about their "not-at-all-secret gay agenda" and adding "queerness to children's programming," with one of the company's presidents saying she wanted 50 percent of the characters in Disney productions to be LGBTQIA or racial minorities by the end of 2022?

Disney even ended gendered greetings at its parks, which had existed for decades, to be more "inclusive."

People aren't making this stuff up. This is the company's stated goal.

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Just for those who haven't seen it...

https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2022/3/30/disney-execs-promote-not-so-secret-gay-agenda-leaked-internal-vid

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This isn't the "gotcha" y'all think it is.

For the 400th time, for the cheap seats... these people, along with many, many others, including myself, don't see being gay as a "sin" or "bad" or worth freaking out over in any way, shape or form. And because we don't see it as a negative, we could not care less if it's depicted in the things our children watch, as long as it's not overly sexualized. Basically, if it's something a hetero couple can be seen doing in a Disney movie, we have absolutely no issue with a gay couple doing the same thing in a Disney movie.

And so far, to my knowledge, Disney hasn't crossed that line, nor does it appear they intend to.

From what I see and hear, Disney's only "agenda" is attempting to normalize something we agree *should* be normalized. As an act of empathy and inclusivity. And because it is the kind thing to do.

This doesn't mean they're trying to turn your kids gay (which is preposterous).

This doesn't mean they're trying to get your kids to march in pride parades on floats with gay strippers.

They're simply doing what they can to try and create a more tolerable society.

Now, can Disney and others go overboard in this regard? Absolutely. Because of the staunch opposition that often goes equally overboard, it inevitably escalates into a pissing match, where advocation can quickly turn into an attempt at submission. And neither side is without fault in that regard.

Also, I have to clarify, once more, that this doesn't mean that I'm pro drag-shows-for kids, and I admit that that the trans kids issue is a delicate one, and that some on the left are going overboard in that regard as well.

What I'm talking about is basic *depiction* here, when it comes to gay people in Disney movies.

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Wait, so it's Disney that is the victim here? They only go overboard because of staunch opposition that is unreasonable? And if it wasn't there there wouldn't be a pissing match?

Yeah ok sure.

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"Pride" is a REACTION to decades if not centuries of a group of people being ostracized and told they're going to hell. The great irony of all of this is that if you guys weren't constantly making such a big deal about it - equating "gay" with "sin," and generally acting as if they all have cooties - the gay community wouldn't feel the need to keep rubbing it in your faces.

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Can you imagine if blacks during the civil rights era in the 60's, who wanted to be taken seriously and just wanted equality and tolerance, just dressed like scantily clad circus freaks and engaged in public lewd debauchery like you see at Pride parades...how hard it would have been to take them seriously? It would have backfired like no other.

Pride parades signal to me that there is no real "gay struggle"...and that they are not really trying to gain tolerance and acceptance. It's just a big sexual party...all of them...some more than others.

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The stereotyping going on here is truly mind-blowing. You realize that's only a small subset of the gay community, right?

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Holy ****, the self proclaimed happiest place on earth that prides itself on amazing guest service is dropping gendered greetings to be move "inclusive" (why is this word in quotes) so as to not accidentally offend vistors? Nefarious.

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maybe continuing to tell all of us "libs" that we're dragging down society, want to load up preschool tv with homosexual content (which no one has talked about except you brining it up multiple times), taking our toddlers to drag brunches, etc., isn't a fair assumption?

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I don't know about "libs." But you do realize Disney executives were caught on camera talking about their "not-at-all-secret gay agenda" and adding "queerness to children's programming," with one of the company's presidents saying she wanted 50 percent of the characters in Disney productions to be LGBTQIA or racial minorities by the end of 2022?

Disney even ended gendered greetings at its parks, which had existed for decades, to be more "inclusive."

People aren't making this stuff up. This is the company's stated goal.

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Just for those who haven't seen it...

https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2022/3/30/disney-execs-promote-not-so-secret-gay-agenda-leaked-internal-vid

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This isn't the "gotcha" y'all think it is.

For the 400th time, for the cheap seats... these people, along with many, many others, including myself, don't see being gay as a "sin" or "bad" or worth freaking out over in any way, shape or form. And because we don't see it as a negative, we could not care less if it's depicted in the things our children watch, as long as it's not overly sexualized. Basically, if it's something a hetero couple can be seen doing in a Disney movie, we have absolutely no issue with a gay couple doing the same thing in a Disney movie.

And so far, to my knowledge, Disney hasn't crossed that line, nor does it appear they intend to.

From what I see and hear, Disney's only "agenda" is attempting to normalize something we agree *should* be normalized. As an act of empathy and inclusivity. And because it is the kind thing to do.

This doesn't mean they're trying to turn your kids gay (which is preposterous).

This doesn't mean they're trying to get your kids to march in pride parades on floats with gay strippers.

They're simply doing what they can to try and create a more tolerable society.

Now, can Disney and others go overboard in this regard? Absolutely. Because of the staunch opposition that often goes equally overboard, it inevitably escalates into a pissing match, where advocation can quickly turn into an attempt at submission. And neither side is without fault in that regard.

Also, I have to clarify, once more, that this doesn't mean that I'm pro drag-shows-for kids, and I admit that that the trans kids issue is a delicate one, and that some on the left are going overboard in that regard as well.

What I'm talking about is basic *depiction* here, when it comes to gay people in Disney movies.

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Wait, so it's Disney that is the victim here? They only go overboard because of staunch opposition that is unreasonable? And if it wasn't there there wouldn't be a pissing match?

Yeah ok sure.

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"Pride" is a REACTION to decades if not centuries of a group of people being ostracized and told they're going to hell. The great irony of all of this is that if you guys weren't constantly making such a big deal about it - equating "gay" with "sin," and generally acting as if they all have cooties - the gay community wouldn't feel the need to keep rubbing it in your faces.

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Can you imagine if blacks during the civil rights era in the 60's, who wanted to be taken seriously and just wanted equality and tolerance, just dressed like scantily clad circus freaks and engaged in public lewd debauchery like you see at Pride parades...how hard it would have been to take them seriously? It would have backfired like no other.

Pride parades signal to me that there is no real "gay struggle"...and that they are not really trying to gain tolerance and acceptance. It's just a big sexual party...all of them...some more than others.

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The stereotyping going on here is truly mind-blowing. You realize that's only a small subset of the gay community, right?

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Your earlier post was absolutely right. The extremes at a Pride Parade came about precisely because they could not get attention to the discrimination they faced. A population decided to go full-on Carnivale with Pride to force the issue into the faces of those who wanted to pretend gay people didn't exist. History is messier than people think and groups rarely fit into nice neat boxes. Even the sanitized version of the Civil Rights movement he presents.

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I don't consider it to be sin

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Yikes. You'd be wrong.

It's not any greater than any other sin but you certainly don't get to pick and choose.

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Like wearing clothing woven from more than one kind of cloth? Or allowing women to teach? Or eating pork? Or mixing meat and dairy? Or allowing a woman to cut her hair short? Or going near a woman who is menstrating?

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What do you have against the Jews? That has NOTHING to do with Christians.

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I guess only half of what the bible says actually applies then?

Btw, two of those are directly from the New Testament.

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You really thought Mosaic law applied to Christians? It doesn't even apply to Jews today. But it was never intended to apply to Christians. Sorry most Christian churches don't allow women to be preachers. Not sure what to tell you there. At least we're not Islam???

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This will surprise many Jews.

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You do not know a single Jew that follows even close to the full scope of ancient Jewish law. No one here does.

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There are 613 mitzvot, many related to temple sacrifices that cannot occur for obvious reasons. The very deliberate delineation of the mitzvot is a response to an inability to follow aspects of the law, not a lack of applicability.

Honestly, I have nothing against gay people. Well, I've always gotten along great with most gay men I've met... the lesbians I've met tend to not be fans of men, so never really gotten along with one.

As someone without kids, I also really don't care if Disney is pushing a gay agenda on kids programming. If I had kids, I would get all the classics on my NAS and would not let them watch Disney+. But again, I would never judge anyone else who let their kids watch it because I'm not pushing my worldview on others. I have plenty of friends with kids, and would never even think to pass any judgement on them for how they raise their kids. That would be ridiculous.

Most of what I'm responding to is the gaslighting from others that this isn't going on. Or when someone decides to outright disparage a faith that I hold by comparing it to being racist. That is when I speak up and get combative.

I guarantee you that if I ran into you at an Aggie tailgate, we would probably get a long just fine talking about the upcoming season. Even if I knew you were gay, I wouldn't care and would never bring it up. However, i'm also not like many people who are afraid to be combative in real life. I have no problem being "that guy" if someone out of the blue were to attack me or my faith.

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maybe continuing to tell all of us "libs" that we're dragging down society, want to load up preschool tv with homosexual content (which no one has talked about except you brining it up multiple times), taking our toddlers to drag brunches, etc., isn't a fair assumption?

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I don't know about "libs." But you do realize Disney executives were caught on camera talking about their "not-at-all-secret gay agenda" and adding "queerness to children's programming," with one of the company's presidents saying she wanted 50 percent of the characters in Disney productions to be LGBTQIA or racial minorities by the end of 2022?

Disney even ended gendered greetings at its parks, which had existed for decades, to be more "inclusive."

People aren't making this stuff up. This is the company's stated goal.

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Just for those who haven't seen it...

https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2022/3/30/disney-execs-promote-not-so-secret-gay-agenda-leaked-internal-vid

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This isn't the "gotcha" y'all think it is.

For the 400th time, for the cheap seats... these people, along with many, many others, including myself, don't see being gay as a "sin" or "bad" or worth freaking out over in any way, shape or form. And because we don't see it as a negative, we could not care less if it's depicted in the things our children watch, as long as it's not overly sexualized. Basically, if it's something a hetero couple can be seen doing in a Disney movie, we have absolutely no issue with a gay couple doing the same thing in a Disney movie.

And so far, to my knowledge, Disney hasn't crossed that line, nor does it appear they intend to.

From what I see and hear, Disney's only "agenda" is attempting to normalize something we agree *should* be normalized. As an act of empathy and inclusivity. And because it is the kind thing to do.

This doesn't mean they're trying to turn your kids gay (which is preposterous).

This doesn't mean they're trying to get your kids to march in pride parades on floats with gay strippers.

They're simply doing what they can to try and create a more tolerable society.

Now, can Disney and others go overboard in this regard? Absolutely. Because of the staunch opposition that often goes equally overboard, it inevitably escalates into a pissing match, where advocation can quickly turn into an attempt at submission. And neither side is without fault in that regard.

Also, I have to clarify, once more, that this doesn't mean that I'm pro drag-shows-for kids, and I admit that that the trans kids issue is a delicate one, and that some on the left are going overboard in that regard as well.

What I'm talking about is basic *depiction* here, when it comes to gay people in Disney movies.

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Wait, so it's Disney that is the victim here? They only go overboard because of staunch opposition that is unreasonable? And if it wasn't there there wouldn't be a pissing match?

Yeah ok sure.

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"Pride" is a REACTION to decades if not centuries of a group of people being ostracized and told they're going to hell. The great irony of all of this is that if you guys weren't constantly making such a big deal about it - equating "gay" with "sin," and generally acting as if they all have cooties - the gay community wouldn't feel the need to keep rubbing it in your faces.

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So yes, the global corporation is the victim? Didn't have that on my bingo card.

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You're putting words in my mouth, jumping to conclusions I haven't made. And typically, once that starts, it's a pretty big indication that you guys have nothing more of substance to add.

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One might say the same of anyone who hand waves away the difference between men and women, as if they're totally interchangeable.

You didn't have to blame parents for Disney's reaction and then defend it with 'pride' but you did.

Well if Disney aint making people gay, episode 3 of last of us sure as hell is. Ain't no reason to see them guys kissin and in bed

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Honestly, I have nothing against gay people. Well, I've always gotten along great with most gay men I've met... the lesbians I've met tend to not be fans of men, so never really gotten along with one.

As someone without kids, I also really don't care if Disney is pushing a gay agenda on kids programming. If I had kids, I would get all the classics on my NAS and would not let them watch Disney+. But again, I would never judge anyone else who let their kids watch it because I'm not pushing my worldview on others. I have plenty of friends with kids, and would never even think to pass any judgement on them for how they raise their kids. That would be ridiculous.

Most of what I'm responding to is the gaslighting from others that this isn't going on. Or when someone decides to outright disparage a faith that I hold by comparing it to being racist. That is when I speak up and get combative.

I guarantee you that if I ran into you at an Aggie tailgate, we would probably get a long just fine talking about the upcoming season. Even if I knew you were gay, I wouldn't care and would never bring it up. However, i'm also not like many people who are afraid to be combative in real life. I have no problem being "that guy" if someone out of the blue were to attack me or my faith.

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Right, and I'm never as combative or declarative when I talk to people irl. Yeah, lesbians can be rigid around most people to be honest. I'm not sure why, but they don't really get the same attention, good or bad, that gay men get in media or otherwise.

I can't remember the last time I watched something explicitly for kids, so I neither can nor want to judge any of these movies' merits. I also don't care about the huge amount of stuff that crosses over between kids and adults like all of the comic book content, but I get why those who grew up liking that stick with it. So be it. To get a better sense of what I care about, the movies to be released later this year that I'm most excited for are probably Barbie, Past Lives, Challengers, Drive-Away Dolls, Killers of the Flower Moon, Dune pt. 2, Poor Things and The Color Purple. Probably Oppenheimer too, but Christopher Nolan kind of pisses me off for whatever reason.

To be clear, I've never gotten any **** from anyone since coming out. Most of my extended family is conservative and religious like I'd imagine most here are, and it doesn't bother me at all. It'd only bother me if they were condescending or worse about my sexuality, and they never have been. I'd be shocked if they ever were. I've tried to make it known in here that talking about sex with other people in real life who you don't know well and don't have your same proclivities generally sucks. I never talk to my straight friends about sex, and they don't talk to me about their sex lives either. I don't even talk about sex with my gay friends if we've already done it, which is almost always inevitable.

I'd rather be anywhere but here on a Friday night, but to close this out, everyone would be better off if the first thing you judge in a movie is the director's vision followed by that of the cinematographer. There are many more things that follow, but that's where it needs to begin for everyone.

You have had sex with almost every one of your gay friends, or am I reading that wrong?

I think capybaras are asexual

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maybe continuing to tell all of us "libs" that we're dragging down society, want to load up preschool tv with homosexual content (which no one has talked about except you brining it up multiple times), taking our toddlers to drag brunches, etc., isn't a fair assumption?

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I don't know about "libs." But you do realize Disney executives were caught on camera talking about their "not-at-all-secret gay agenda" and adding "queerness to children's programming," with one of the company's presidents saying she wanted 50 percent of the characters in Disney productions to be LGBTQIA or racial minorities by the end of 2022?

Disney even ended gendered greetings at its parks, which had existed for decades, to be more "inclusive."

People aren't making this stuff up. This is the company's stated goal.

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Just for those who haven't seen it...

https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2022/3/30/disney-execs-promote-not-so-secret-gay-agenda-leaked-internal-vid

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This isn't the "gotcha" y'all think it is.

For the 400th time, for the cheap seats... these people, along with many, many others, including myself, don't see being gay as a "sin" or "bad" or worth freaking out over in any way, shape or form. And because we don't see it as a negative, we could not care less if it's depicted in the things our children watch, as long as it's not overly sexualized. Basically, if it's something a hetero couple can be seen doing in a Disney movie, we have absolutely no issue with a gay couple doing the same thing in a Disney movie.

And so far, to my knowledge, Disney hasn't crossed that line, nor does it appear they intend to.

From what I see and hear, Disney's only "agenda" is attempting to normalize something we agree *should* be normalized. As an act of empathy and inclusivity. And because it is the kind thing to do.

This doesn't mean they're trying to turn your kids gay (which is preposterous).

This doesn't mean they're trying to get your kids to march in pride parades on floats with gay strippers.

They're simply doing what they can to try and create a more tolerable society.

Now, can Disney and others go overboard in this regard? Absolutely. Because of the staunch opposition that often goes equally overboard, it inevitably escalates into a pissing match, where advocation can quickly turn into an attempt at submission. And neither side is without fault in that regard.

Also, I have to clarify, once more, that this doesn't mean that I'm pro drag-shows-for kids, and I admit that that the trans kids issue is a delicate one, and that some on the left are going overboard in that regard as well.

What I'm talking about is basic *depiction* here, when it comes to gay people in Disney movies.

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Wait, so it's Disney that is the victim here? They only go overboard because of staunch opposition that is unreasonable? And if it wasn't there there wouldn't be a pissing match?

Yeah ok sure.

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"Pride" is a REACTION to decades if not centuries of a group of people being ostracized and told they're going to hell. The great irony of all of this is that if you guys weren't constantly making such a big deal about it - equating "gay" with "sin," and generally acting as if they all have cooties - the gay community wouldn't feel the need to keep rubbing it in your faces.

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Can you imagine if blacks during the civil rights era in the 60's, who wanted to be taken seriously and just wanted equality and tolerance, just dressed like scantily clad circus freaks and engaged in public lewd debauchery like you see at Pride parades...how hard it would have been to take them seriously? It would have backfired like no other.

Pride parades signal to me that there is no real "gay struggle"...and that they are not really trying to gain tolerance and acceptance. It's just a big sexual party...all of them...some more than others.

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The stereotyping going on here is truly mind-blowing. You realize that's only a small subset of the gay community, right?

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Yes but I was talking specifically about Pride events. None of them scream "plz take us seriously!"

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Holy ****, the self proclaimed happiest place on earth that prides itself on amazing guest service is dropping gendered greetings to be move "inclusive" (why is this word in quotes) so as to not accidentally offend vistors? Nefarious.

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If you think saying "ladies and gentlemen" and "boys and girls" is offensive, well ...

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No, you see YOU are the weird one. YOU are crazy for having an issue with the breakdown of centuries old norms. YOU are the tyrant.

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You have had sex with almost every one of your gay friends, or am I reading that wrong?

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The majority of them yeah, but most of my friends are straight so it's not all that many. Having casual sex is very simple when you're gay, especially when it's clear beforehand that you could never be in a serious relationship.

Thought I accidentally clicked on the politics board there for a second when I opened up a thread and saw that damn near half the posts on a page were from blocked posters like Brittmore and DallasTeleAg.

Yeah... except you post more on F16 than I do, and the majority of my posts are on the ET board. But nice job contributing nothing and simply making pot shots.

That's awesome that you have 8 socks ready to go to blue star your posts

This thread is full of silly takes on both sides.

Disney has had a lot of misfires over the past several years. That being said, Marvel and Star Wars are still churning out reliable profit. Kids really like Frozen and Encanto. The parks are full of people (enough that they can raise prices to $200/day and still fill the place). They have gained hundreds of millions of subscribers on Disney Plus in just a couple years.

Disney was a value company 10 years ago. They relied on cable revenue, park revenue and merchandise. With the demise of cable, they made the decision to invest heavily in streaming and become a growth company. Frankly about 5 years late. Sacrificing steady profitability for long-term growth and changes in the market. Streaming (even with their enormous library) costs a crazy amount of capital expenditures up front to build content. They have been spending a lot on that content over the last few years. And that has hurt the net income numbers even as revenue has grown substantially. Netflix took over a decade to be profitable.

I think in 10 years they will be rewarded for this shift but in the meantime, they are going to have leaner times financially. It really has a lot more to do with that than "wokeness". And I hate their woke behavior sometimes.

Regardless of side, congratulations everyone on the blue star harvesting.

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maybe continuing to tell all of us "libs" that we're dragging down society, want to load up preschool tv with homosexual content (which no one has talked about except you brining it up multiple times), taking our toddlers to drag brunches, etc., isn't a fair assumption?

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I don't know about "libs." But you do realize Disney executives were caught on camera talking about their "not-at-all-secret gay agenda" and adding "queerness to children's programming," with one of the company's presidents saying she wanted 50 percent of the characters in Disney productions to be LGBTQIA or racial minorities by the end of 2022?

Disney even ended gendered greetings at its parks, which had existed for decades, to be more "inclusive."

People aren't making this stuff up. This is the company's stated goal.

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Just for those who haven't seen it...

https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2022/3/30/disney-execs-promote-not-so-secret-gay-agenda-leaked-internal-vid

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From what I see and hear, Disney's only "agenda" is attempting to normalize something we agree *should* be normalized. As an act of empathy and inclusivity. And because it is the kind thing to do.

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Should open relationships/swinger lifestyles or polygamy be normalized in childrens' entertainment? Or is that too "weird" or "yucky" for some of yall? Could you at least understand how someone who has small children and is pro nuclear family wouldn't want that stuff wedged into Sesame Street, or whatever?

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Wait a second. Did you equate two people of the same sex in a relationship, like two people of the opposite sex, with swingers and polygamists? WOW!

It's so unlike you to be intentionally obtuse and to miss the point. I am shocked.

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Wait a second. Did you equate two people of the same sex in a relationship, like two people of the opposite sex, with swingers and polygamists? WOW!

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Not sure why you're surprised, they see gay people as jesus defying filthy immoral heathens. And I feel bad for adding to this thread.

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Yeah... except you post more on F16 than I do, and the majority of my posts are on the ET board. But nice job contributing nothing and simply making pot shots.

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I actually recognized his username from getting absolutely destroyed on f16 a few times. His arguments were bad/funny enough for me to remember a random and nondescript username. I can't believe he would denigrate that forum and create his own safe space by blocking anyone that disagrees with him /sarcasm

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Did Disney ever do the reduction in staff as the OP warned?