Universal's stock price is up 7% YTD.

Disney's is up 10%.

I know this whole "go woke and go broke" saying is fun because it rhymes and stuff... but after Nike's share price absolutely skyrocketed post-Kapernick anyone who continues to parrot it looks like a clueless buffoon.

That doesn't mean you have to support the direction Disney is taking - not opining on that - but you really need to start coming to grips that these companies aren't taking the financial beating you think/hope they are.

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Holy ****, the lack of self-awareness in this statement is mind boggling.

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Go on. Where is my lack of self-awareness. Is it not a cult? Do they not view other as lesser than? Are there not factual results? Would you like definitions of each.

Your response sounds like you were triggered by truth and just don't like it.

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bluefire579 said:

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Holy ****, the lack of self-awareness in this statement is mind boggling.

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Go on. Where is my lack of self-awareness. Is it not a cult? Do they not view other as lesser than? Are there not factual results? Would you like definitions of each.

Your response sounds like you were triggered by truth and just don't like it.

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Who are you talking about? Who is "they"?

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bluefire579 said:

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Holy ****, the lack of self-awareness in this statement is mind boggling.

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Go on. Where is my lack of self-awareness. Is it not a cult? Do they not view other as lesser than? Are there not factual results? Would you like definitions of each.

Your response sounds like you were triggered by truth and just don't like it.

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You're the other side of the same coin my friend.

I don't believe in indoctrinating others. There is a difference between being a member of a cult and focusing on pushing an agenda, and calling that out while wanting no agenda.

Being on the other side of the coin would be saying Disney should be putting out movies talking about Jesus. The opposite of Far Left is not Center-right.

But try again!

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How does it being from a video game universe and being old conflict with it being a wholesome adventure? That makes zero sense. It was a near-perfectly executed family animated blockbuster. Another studio, Disney for example, could have easily botched it by trying too hard to impress the wrong people. That's what they're willing to do now.

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It's a built in IP that's been around for 40 years, overseen by a company that famously has extensive quality control over its well-established, family friendly IPs. Making an actual Mario movie with Nintendo's heavy involvement was always going to be a slam dunk.

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False. It's doing as well as it is because they chose to make it have broad appeal and not try to push any envelopes, and it's great. Disney has missed a lot of open layups, hence layoffs.

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How does it being from a video game universe and being old conflict with it being a wholesome adventure? That makes zero sense. It was a near-perfectly executed family animated blockbuster. Another studio, Disney for example, could have easily botched it by trying too hard to impress the wrong people. That's what they're willing to do now.

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Look we aren't going to convince each other. I thought Mario was great and I think 95% of what Disney does is great too.

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You are one person/one family. Apparently the majority of people watching their recent movies don't agree. They can't make money appealing to one family out of a hundred in a theater

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As has been alluded to, this is a gross oversimplification.

Are millions of people watching Disney films? They absolutely are, but a lot of them are happy waiting a couple weeks for it to drop on Disney+.

The pandemic and streaming have radically affected family film box office in particular, it's not coincidence that only one of the top 25 highest grossing animated films was made after 2019 (Mario currently sits at #26).

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bluefire579 said:

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Holy ****, the lack of self-awareness in this statement is mind boggling.

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Go on. Where is my lack of self-awareness. Is it not a cult? Do they not view other as lesser than? Are there not factual results? Would you like definitions of each.

Your response sounds like you were triggered by truth and just don't like it.

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Who are you talking about? Who is "they"?

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Seriously? The woke cult... I literally said this in my post. The execs who are recorded as pushing an activist agenda on their video calls. This is not rocket science. Just because you may agree with their agenda does not make my points invalid. The most disingenuous piece to this is people who argue that it's not happening.

Don't gaslight. I would have much more respect for people who simply acknowledged it and just said they agree with it.

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bluefire579 said:

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Holy ****, the lack of self-awareness in this statement is mind boggling.

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Go on. Where is my lack of self-awareness. Is it not a cult? Do they not view other as lesser than? Are there not factual results? Would you like definitions of each.

Your response sounds like you were triggered by truth and just don't like it.

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Who are you talking about? Who is "they"?

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Seriously? The woke cult... I literally said this in my post. The execs who are recorded as pushing an activist agenda on their video calls. This is not rocket science. Just because you may agree with their agenda does not make my points invalid. The most disingenuous piece to this is people who argue that it's not happening.

Don't gaslight. I would have much more respect for people who simply acknowledged it and just said they agree with it.

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Sorry, I misread what you said the first time, I thought you were talking about me.

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Universal's stock price is up 7% YTD.

Disney's is up 10%.

I know this whole "go woke and go broke" saying is fun because it rhymes and stuff... but after Nike's share price absolutely skyrocketed post-Kapernick anyone who continues to parrot it looks like a clueless buffoon.

That doesn't mean you have to support the direction Disney is taking - not opining on that - but you really need to start coming to grips that these companies aren't taking the financial beating you think/hope they are.

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While I think Anheuser-Busch is currently taking a hit due to their recent over-the-top shenanigans. Sadly, I think you might be right in general.

Florida passed a bill saying you can't talk to 2nd and 3rd graders about sexual stuff and gender behind the parents backs (completely reasonable to any sane rational individual) and Disney went up in arms over it, lying and calling it the "don't say gay" bill. And almost no one cares. At least not enough to boycott.

This country will be unrecognizable within the next 10 years but I will always be grateful that I got to experience the 80's and 90's as a kid.

Only in this country (and a few others to be fair) is "far left" not slightly left of center.

And "indoctrination" and "agenda" are talked about far more by one side than they're actually practiced by the other. Most of us sit happily somewhere in the middle

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How does it being from a video game universe and being old conflict with it being a wholesome adventure? That makes zero sense. It was a near-perfectly executed family animated blockbuster. Another studio, Disney for example, could have easily botched it by trying too hard to impress the wrong people. That's what they're willing to do now.

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It's a built in IP that's been around for 40 years, overseen by a company that famously has extensive quality control over its well-established, family friendly IPs. Making an actual Mario movie with Nintendo's heavy involvement was always going to be a slam dunk.

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False. It's doing as well as it is because they chose to make it have broad appeal and not try to push any envelopes, and it's great. Disney has missed a lot of open layups, hence layoffs.

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Exactly. But, again, you can't convince them. What you will do is make logical claims based on facts. First, they will say you are wrong and a simpleton, going for personal attacks instead of debating facts. Next, they will pull up different data instead of refuting your data, and again make personal attacks. Their last argument will be to say that Disney isn't going out of business but is making money, therefore your argument is invalid... and then they will make personal attacks.

This is all standard playbook stuff.

Pay no attention to the layoffs. Companies perform massive layoffs all the time because everything is going so perfectly.

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Only in this country (and a few others to be fair) is "far left" not slightly left of center.

And "indoctrination" and "agenda" are talked about far more by one side than they're actually practiced by the other. Most of us sit happily somewhere in the middle

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The modern mainstream democratic party is absolutely far left...to a degree that would have been pretty much unimaginable 5, 10 years ago. The white house and ALL leftist politicians are all in on the hyper woke stuff. Hell, every major corporation is as well. The fringe has become mainstream on the left. I don't see how anyone could deny this.

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Only in this country (and a few others to be fair) is "far left" not slightly left of center.

And "indoctrination" and "agenda" are talked about far more by one side than they're actually practiced by the other. Most of us sit happily somewhere in the middle

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Yeah... why do I care what those mean in any other country? I'm talking about this country because this is our culture.

Your second statement is just random proclamation, though one I disagree with. Back in the '90s and early 00's there were definitely hard Right leaning people going on about the depravity of Hollywood. But, again, this was mainly only entertained by far-Right people.

There is a reason why so many more center-left and center-right pundits are being vocal about this stuff, in today's world. It is because of this entire woke agenda. You can cover your ears and pretend it's not happening, but that doesn't remove facts.

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Only in this country (and a few others to be fair) is "far left" not slightly left of center.

And "indoctrination" and "agenda" are talked about far more by one side than they're actually practiced by the other. Most of us sit happily somewhere in the middle

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The modern mainstream democratic party is absolutely far left...to a degree that would have been pretty much unimaginable 5, 10 years ago. The white house and ALL leftist politicians are all in on the hyper woke stuff. Hell, every major corporation is as well. The fringe has become mainstream on the left. I don't see how anyone could deny this.

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I see you edited the "GOP is now the middle part"

And you miss what I'm saying. MOST people simply want equal rights for people and don't buy in to extreme policies, but the extremism of both sides is causing people to choose one side or the other.

You and others also seem to be under a belief that Disney and other companies want to do anything but make money. They've tried a few different things with their last few films and many didn't work, now you'll see them adjust.

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Only in this country (and a few others to be fair) is "far left" not slightly left of center.

And "indoctrination" and "agenda" are talked about far more by one side than they're actually practiced by the other. Most of us sit happily somewhere in the middle

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Yep. This screaming and crying about woke or far left or whatever has been echoed across America since 50 years ago.

Those days it was about denying certain races from attending certain schools, using certain bathrooms, denying homosexuals marriage or civil unions, and if you go back even further, voting rights for women, which a good number of F16 people would love to roll back.

By no means is the process perfect, the 'far left' can be stupid ****ing idiots too(actually a lot of the time), but society progresses relatively nicely despite people saying they won't recognize America in x number of years or 'we're losing the country' wailing

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Only in this country (and a few others to be fair) is "far left" not slightly left of center.

And "indoctrination" and "agenda" are talked about far more by one side than they're actually practiced by the other. Most of us sit happily somewhere in the middle

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The modern mainstream democratic party is absolutely far left...to a degree that would have been pretty much unimaginable 5, 10 years ago. The white house and ALL leftist politicians are all in on the hyper woke stuff. Hell, every major corporation is as well. The fringe has become mainstream on the left. I don't see how anyone could deny this.

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I see you edited the "GOP is now the middle part"

And you miss what I'm saying. MOST people simply want equal rights for people and don't buy in to extreme policies, but the extremism of both sides is causing people to choose one side or the other.

You and others also seem to be under a belief that Disney and other companies want to do anything but make money. They've tried a few different things with their last few films and many didn't work, now you'll see them adjust.

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The GOP has absolutely shifted towards the center while the left has gone hard left.

Every conservative I know wants equal rights for people. It's the left's obsession with proselytizing and discussing adult oriented stuff with your children that they have a problem with.

These corporations want to make money, but they also have to push hyper woke BS for ESG scores (google it if you don't know what that is). Plus, they have hired a ton of true believer leftists. Almost every tech company is entirely comprised of hard leftists for example. Entertainment, less so, but they are still the overwhelming majority. I would love to see anyone try to debate this.

And I disagree that you will see them adjust. None of these woke corporations do.

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Only in this country (and a few others to be fair) is "far left" not slightly left of center.

And "indoctrination" and "agenda" are talked about far more by one side than they're actually practiced by the other. Most of us sit happily somewhere in the middle

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The modern mainstream democratic party is absolutely far left...to a degree that would have been pretty much unimaginable 5, 10 years ago. The white house and ALL leftist politicians are all in on the hyper woke stuff. Hell, every major corporation is as well. The fringe has become mainstream on the left. I don't see how anyone could deny this.

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I see you edited the "GOP is now the middle part"

And you miss what I'm saying. MOST people simply want equal rights for people and don't buy in to extreme policies, but the extremism of both sides is causing people to choose one side or the other.

You and others also seem to be under a belief that Disney and other companies want to do anything but make money. They've tried a few different things with their last few films and many didn't work, now you'll see them adjust.

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The GOP has absolutely shifted towards the center while the left has gone hard left.

Every conservative I know wants equal rights for people. It's the left's obsession with proselytizing and discussing adult oriented stuff with your children that they have a problem with.

These corporations want to make money, but they also have to push hyper woke BS for ESG scores (google it if you don't know what that is). Plus, they have hired a ton of true believer leftists. Almost every tech company is entirely comprised of hard leftists for example. Entertainment, less so, but they are still the overwhelming majority. I would love to see anyone try to debate this.

And I disagree that you will see them adjust. None of these woke corporations do.

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Lol a quick browse of f16 would seem to disprove this. And even if you truly believe that, your politicians do not.

Either way we're not going to come to any agreement here so I'll leave you to it.

Staff can you change the thread title to

***** Disney Bloodbath Thread *****

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How does it being from a video game universe and being old conflict with it being a wholesome adventure? That makes zero sense. It was a near-perfectly executed family animated blockbuster. Another studio, Disney for example, could have easily botched it by trying too hard to impress the wrong people. That's what they're willing to do now.

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It's a built in IP that's been around for 40 years, overseen by a company that famously has extensive quality control over its well-established, family friendly IPs. Making an actual Mario movie with Nintendo's heavy involvement was always going to be a slam dunk.

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False. It's doing as well as it is because they chose to make it have broad appeal and not try to push any envelopes, and it's great. Disney has missed a lot of open layups, hence layoffs.

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Exactly. But, again, you can't convince them. What you will do is make logical claims based on facts. First, they will say you are wrong and a simpleton, going for personal attacks instead of debating facts. Next, they will pull up different data instead of refuting your data, and again make personal attacks. Their last argument will be to say that Disney isn't going out of business but is making money, therefore your argument is invalid... and then they will make personal attacks.

This is all standard playbook stuff.

Pay no attention to the layoffs. Companies perform massive layoffs all the time because everything is going so perfectly.

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What facts? There are literally no facts in his posts, and the post he's responding to has no personal attacks. I pointed out strength of brand and just got a generic response.

This is what I meant by your lack of self awareness. You commented on the last page, making no attempt to support anything with facts, but basically **** on a group of people. You're 100% projecting because you're doing exactly what you're describing here. There are no facts, no data, just whatever your feelings on the matter are, completely ignoring any other possible factors because wokeness is obviously the problem and the only problem.

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Super Mario Bros killing it while Disney lays people off is something to behold. Families want to take their kids to fun, wholesome movies and enjoy a cinematic adventure together. Deliver that and profit, deliver what Disney has prioritized instead and lose.

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Super Mario Brothers is a 90-minute commercial for a video game series.

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And yet it's at over $700 million worldwide...

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Super Mario Bros killing it while Disney lays people off is something to behold. Families want to take their kids to fun, wholesome movies and enjoy a cinematic adventure together. Deliver that and profit, deliver what Disney has prioritized instead and lose.

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Super Mario Brothers is a 90-minute commercial for a video game series.

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And yet it's at over $700 million worldwide...

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Again, I'm not saying it's a bad movie! I loved it, and I'm going to go see it again tomorrow or Saturday. You're confusing my label of it with my enjoyment of it. I've been tracking it happily on the BoxOffice thread since the day it opened. I think its success is a lot more representative of the strength of Nintendo's brand than being a wholesome movie. If I took my own parents to see it, they wouldn't like it because they dont know the characters are and would have no ****ing idea what was happening.

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bluefire579 said:

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How does it being from a video game universe and being old conflict with it being a wholesome adventure? That makes zero sense. It was a near-perfectly executed family animated blockbuster. Another studio, Disney for example, could have easily botched it by trying too hard to impress the wrong people. That's what they're willing to do now.

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It's a built in IP that's been around for 40 years, overseen by a company that famously has extensive quality control over its well-established, family friendly IPs. Making an actual Mario movie with Nintendo's heavy involvement was always going to be a slam dunk.

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False. It's doing as well as it is because they chose to make it have broad appeal and not try to push any envelopes, and it's great. Disney has missed a lot of open layups, hence layoffs.

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Exactly. But, again, you can't convince them. What you will do is make logical claims based on facts. First, they will say you are wrong and a simpleton, going for personal attacks instead of debating facts. Next, they will pull up different data instead of refuting your data, and again make personal attacks. Their last argument will be to say that Disney isn't going out of business but is making money, therefore your argument is invalid... and then they will make personal attacks.

This is all standard playbook stuff.

Pay no attention to the layoffs. Companies perform massive layoffs all the time because everything is going so perfectly.

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What facts? There are literally no facts in his posts, and the post he's responding to has no personal attacks. I pointed out strength of brand and just got a generic response.

This is what I meant by your lack of self awareness. You commented on the last page, making no attempt to support anything with facts, but basically **** on a group of people. You're 100% projecting because you're doing exactly what you're describing here. There are no facts, no data, just whatever your feelings on the matter are, completely ignoring any other possible factors because wokeness is obviously the problem and the only problem.

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This so perfectly describes basically every interaction with Dallas to a tee.

I haven't seen it yet. Would you describe it as a wholesome family movie or not, regardless of anyone knowing the characters or origins?

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Only in this country (and a few others to be fair) is "far left" not slightly left of center.

And "indoctrination" and "agenda" are talked about far more by one side than they're actually practiced by the other. Most of us sit happily somewhere in the middle

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The modern mainstream democratic party is absolutely far left...to a degree that would have been pretty much unimaginable 5, 10 years ago. The white house and ALL leftist politicians are all in on the hyper woke stuff. Hell, every major corporation is as well. The fringe has become mainstream on the left. I don't see how anyone could deny this.

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I see you edited the "GOP is now the middle part"

And you miss what I'm saying. MOST people simply want equal rights for people and don't buy in to extreme policies, but the extremism of both sides is causing people to choose one side or the other.

You and others also seem to be under a belief that Disney and other companies want to do anything but make money. They've tried a few different things with their last few films and many didn't work, now you'll see them adjust.

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The GOP has absolutely shifted towards the center while the left has gone hard left.

Every conservative I know wants equal rights for people. It's the left's obsession with proselytizing and discussing adult oriented stuff with your children that they have a problem with.

These corporations want to make money, but they also have to push hyper woke BS for ESG scores (google it if you don't know what that is). Plus, they have hired a ton of true believer leftists. Almost every tech company is entirely comprised of hard leftists for example. Entertainment, less so, but they are still the overwhelming majority. I would love to see anyone try to debate this.

And I disagree that you will see them adjust. None of these woke corporations do.

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Lol a quick browse of f16 would seem to disprove this. And even if you truly believe that, your politicians do not.

Either way we're not going to come to any agreement here so I'll leave you to it.

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By the way...in 10-20 years when this country is an unrecognizable cesspool, remember that what destroyed us is that we don't even acknowledge the same basic fundamental realities. The smartest leftists in the country cannot define what a woman is. A SCOTUS judge seriously said that she is not a biologist so she could not answer. And she is not the first of the best and brightest of the left to be able to do so. Whether it's from fear of backlash from the rabid woke left masses, brainwashing, or she's really just a complete dumbass...this type of stuff is a frightening canary in the coal mine. We are increasingly adopting vastly different versions of reality...and it's not the right that is changing in this regard. This is unsustainable and I don't see how it does not end in conflict or a massive painful and chaotic correction of some sorts.

Remember this in 10 or 15 years...but for now just think I am crazy

At this point I can only shake my head at all the "go woke go broke" nonsense, and how desperately certain people need it to be true. When, in reality, the actual reasons for the firings have next to nothing to do with being "woke," and everything to do with the streaming bubble popping (for *every* studio) and the economy. This same thread on F16 is, unsurprisingly, even worse. Combined with the writers strike thread C@LAag also posted over there, it's just the most clueless, hateful people jumping to the dumbest, most ill-informed, most mind-numbing conclusions.

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I haven't seen it yet. Would you describe it as a wholesome family movie or not, regardless of anyone knowing the characters or origins?

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If you knew nothing about any of the characters, I'm pretty sure you would think you were having an acid flashback.

Mushroom kingdom, talking mushroom folk, a dinosaur that plays piano and is in love with a princess from Earth, a shining blue star creature that says tripped out **** like "In an insane world, the sane are called insane" and "Finally, mercy" when it's about to be killed, and a main character that enjoys putting on Furry costumes to imitate a cat and a raccoon. Pretty woke if you ask me!

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fig96 said:

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fig96 said:

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fig96 said:

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Only in this country (and a few others to be fair) is "far left" not slightly left of center.

And "indoctrination" and "agenda" are talked about far more by one side than they're actually practiced by the other. Most of us sit happily somewhere in the middle

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The modern mainstream democratic party is absolutely far left...to a degree that would have been pretty much unimaginable 5, 10 years ago. The white house and ALL leftist politicians are all in on the hyper woke stuff. Hell, every major corporation is as well. The fringe has become mainstream on the left. I don't see how anyone could deny this.

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I see you edited the "GOP is now the middle part"

And you miss what I'm saying. MOST people simply want equal rights for people and don't buy in to extreme policies, but the extremism of both sides is causing people to choose one side or the other.

You and others also seem to be under a belief that Disney and other companies want to do anything but make money. They've tried a few different things with their last few films and many didn't work, now you'll see them adjust.

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The GOP has absolutely shifted towards the center while the left has gone hard left.

Every conservative I know wants equal rights for people. It's the left's obsession with proselytizing and discussing adult oriented stuff with your children that they have a problem with.

These corporations want to make money, but they also have to push hyper woke BS for ESG scores (google it if you don't know what that is). Plus, they have hired a ton of true believer leftists. Almost every tech company is entirely comprised of hard leftists for example. Entertainment, less so, but they are still the overwhelming majority. I would love to see anyone try to debate this.

And I disagree that you will see them adjust. None of these woke corporations do.

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Lol a quick browse of f16 would seem to disprove this. And even if you truly believe that, your politicians do not.

Either way we're not going to come to any agreement here so I'll leave you to it.

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By the way...in 10-20 years when this country is an unrecognizable cesspool, remember that what destroyed us is that we don't even acknowledge the same basic fundamental realities. The smartest leftists in the country cannot define what a woman is. A SCOTUS judge seriously said that she is not a biologist so she could not answer. And she is not the first of the best and brightest of the left to be able to do so. Whether it's from fear of backlash from the rabid woke left masses, brainwashing, or she's really just a complete dumbass...this type of stuff is a frightening canary in the coal mine. We are increasingly adopting vastly different versions of reality...and it's not the right that is changing in this regard. This is unsustainable and I don't see how it does not end in conflict or a massive painful and chaotic correction of some sorts.

Remember this in 10 or 15 years...but for now just think I am crazy

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Will you be living beyond Thunderdome at that point?

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At this point I can only shake my head at all the "go woke go broke" nonsense, and how desperately certain people need that to be true. When, in reality, the actual reasons for the firings have next to nothing to do with being "woke," and everything to do with the streaming bubble popping (for *every* studio) and the economy.

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I agree. For some of us, it is frustrating that it is not true. Very frustrating and a bad indicator. Or society will go where they take us and we cannot do anything about it. I don't like that.

That being said, Bud Light seems to be the exception. Their sales have taken a hit. But they'll be fine.

In agreement that Bud Light seems to be the exception. Which is, sadly, enough to fuel the outrage for another few cycles.

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Only in this country (and a few others to be fair) is "far left" not slightly left of center.

And "indoctrination" and "agenda" are talked about far more by one side than they're actually practiced by the other. Most of us sit happily somewhere in the middle

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The modern mainstream democratic party is absolutely far left...to a degree that would have been pretty much unimaginable 5, 10 years ago. The white house and ALL leftist politicians are all in on the hyper woke stuff. Hell, every major corporation is as well. The fringe has become mainstream on the left. I don't see how anyone could deny this.

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I see you edited the "GOP is now the middle part"

And you miss what I'm saying. MOST people simply want equal rights for people and don't buy in to extreme policies, but the extremism of both sides is causing people to choose one side or the other.

You and others also seem to be under a belief that Disney and other companies want to do anything but make money. They've tried a few different things with their last few films and many didn't work, now you'll see them adjust.

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The GOP has absolutely shifted towards the center while the left has gone hard left.

Every conservative I know wants equal rights for people. It's the left's obsession with proselytizing and discussing adult oriented stuff with your children that they have a problem with.

These corporations want to make money, but they also have to push hyper woke BS for ESG scores (google it if you don't know what that is). Plus, they have hired a ton of true believer leftists. Almost every tech company is entirely comprised of hard leftists for example. Entertainment, less so, but they are still the overwhelming majority. I would love to see anyone try to debate this.

And I disagree that you will see them adjust. None of these woke corporations do.

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Lol a quick browse of f16 would seem to disprove this. And even if you truly believe that, your politicians do not.

Either way we're not going to come to any agreement here so I'll leave you to it.

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By the way...in 10-20 years when this country is an unrecognizable cesspool, remember that what destroyed us is that we don't even acknowledge the same basic fundamental realities. The smartest leftists in the country cannot define what a woman is. A SCOTUS judge seriously said that she is not a biologist so she could not answer. And she is not the first of the best and brightest of the left to be able to do so. Whether it's from fear of backlash from the rabid woke left masses, brainwashing, or she's really just a complete dumbass...this type of stuff is a frightening canary in the coal mine. We are increasingly adopting vastly different versions of reality...and it's not the right that is changing in this regard. This is unsustainable and I don't see how it does not end in conflict or a massive painful and chaotic correction of some sorts.

Remember this in 10 or 15 years...but for now just think I am crazy

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Will you be living beyond Thunderdome at that point?

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Hilarious. Just look at downtown area of almost every blue city, compared to 5, 10 years ago for some very light foreshadowing. Addiction, depression, suicide, general misery, crime, homicides trending in the wrong direction and likely off the charts in 5-10 years. Murder and crime in Houston is out of control largely due to woke soft on crime leftist policy...I witnessed a hit job with full auto in broad daylight during rush hour a few weeks ago in River Oaks area of Houston...seeing a dead body laying out in the streets really lightens up the mood at company happy hour.

I was in downtown Los Angeles on business not long ago and it was straight up dystopian. A depressing and scary shell of its former self.

I am not predicting a civil war...this just feels increasingly unsustainable if you follow politics and current events like some of us. If you just watch CNN, Netflix and movies, everything is 100% fine. No bad indicators whatsoever.

Again, according to just about every liberal politician, and most high profile leftists, you are an absolute bigot if you think you can define what a female or woman is. If you don't want a male with pen*s competing with and showering with your daughter, you're a bigot. This is straight up psychotic sh**.

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Hilarious. Just look at downtown area of almost every blue city, compared to 5, 10 years ago for some very light foreshadowing. Addiction, depression, suicide, general misery, crime, homicides trending in the wrong direction and likely off the charts in 5-10 years.

I was in downtown Los Angeles on business not long ago and it was straight up dystopian. A depressing and scary shell of its former self.

I am not predicting a civil war...this just feels increasingly unsustainable if you follow politics and current events like some of us. If you just watch CNN, Netflix and movies, everything is 100% fine. No bad indicators whatsoever.

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Which ones are the blue cities? I have to confess, I don't give a **** about politics.

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Hilarious. Just look at downtown area of almost every blue city, compared to 5, 10 years ago for some very light foreshadowing. Addiction, depression, suicide, general misery, crime, homicides trending in the wrong direction and likely off the charts in 5-10 years.

I was in downtown Los Angeles on business not long ago and it was straight up dystopian. A depressing and scary shell of its former self.

I am not predicting a civil war...this just feels increasingly unsustainable if you follow politics and current events like some of us. If you just watch CNN, Netflix and movies, everything is 100% fine. No bad indicators whatsoever.

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Which ones are the blue cities? I have to confess, I don't give a **** about politics.

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Lol, have a good day. I honestly envy you.

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I haven't seen it yet. Would you describe it as a wholesome family movie or not, regardless of anyone knowing the characters or origins?

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Here's a clip. Judge for yourself

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Only in this country (and a few others to be fair) is "far left" not slightly left of center.

And "indoctrination" and "agenda" are talked about far more by one side than they're actually practiced by the other. Most of us sit happily somewhere in the middle

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The modern mainstream democratic party is absolutely far left...to a degree that would have been pretty much unimaginable 5, 10 years ago. The white house and ALL leftist politicians are all in on the hyper woke stuff. Hell, every major corporation is as well. The fringe has become mainstream on the left. I don't see how anyone could deny this.

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I see you edited the "GOP is now the middle part"

And you miss what I'm saying. MOST people simply want equal rights for people and don't buy in to extreme policies, but the extremism of both sides is causing people to choose one side or the other.

You and others also seem to be under a belief that Disney and other companies want to do anything but make money. They've tried a few different things with their last few films and many didn't work, now you'll see them adjust.

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The GOP has absolutely shifted towards the center while the left has gone hard left.

Every conservative I know wants equal rights for people. It's the left's obsession with proselytizing and discussing adult oriented stuff with your children that they have a problem with.

These corporations want to make money, but they also have to push hyper woke BS for ESG scores (google it if you don't know what that is). Plus, they have hired a ton of true believer leftists. Almost every tech company is entirely comprised of hard leftists for example. Entertainment, less so, but they are still the overwhelming majority. I would love to see anyone try to debate this.

And I disagree that you will see them adjust. None of these woke corporations do.

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Lol a quick browse of f16 would seem to disprove this. And even if you truly believe that, your politicians do not.

Either way we're not going to come to any agreement here so I'll leave you to it.

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By the way...in 10-20 years when this country is an unrecognizable cesspool, remember that what destroyed us is that we don't even acknowledge the same basic fundamental realities. The smartest leftists in the country cannot define what a woman is. A SCOTUS judge seriously said that she is not a biologist so she could not answer. And she is not the first of the best and brightest of the left to be able to do so. Whether it's from fear of backlash from the rabid woke left masses, brainwashing, or she's really just a complete dumbass...this type of stuff is a frightening canary in the coal mine. We are increasingly adopting vastly different versions of reality...and it's not the right that is changing in this regard. This is unsustainable and I don't see how it does not end in conflict or a massive painful and chaotic correction of some sorts.

Remember this in 10 or 15 years...but for now just think I am crazy

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i think you're being overly sensationalist, but I'm personally not a fan of far left policies. But here's the problem: you present no alternatives for the middle of the road American.

Most people are in favor of gay marriage, common sense gun laws, reasonable abortion limits, etc.. And a party that refuses to even have any discussion on those things, not to mention seems to relish in cruelty towards people of the opposite view (not everyone and it does go both ways, but you know who I'm talking about) is a non starter for most people.