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I appreciate your detailed response- I really do. I've seen Age of Disclosure and heard about the book. It is impressive to have this many people come forward. For the record, I am inclined to believe them. But until there is tangible evidence it is still just people talking, and it is not going to move the needle with the public in general.

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surfandturfsbisa96 said:

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I appreciate your detailed response- I really do. I've seen Age of Disclosure and heard about the book. It is impressive to have this many people come forward. For the record, I am inclined to believe them. But until there is tangible evidence it is still just people talking, and it is not going to move the needle with the public in general.

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Does anyone here believe that George Washington was a real person? How do you know? Did you see him with your own eyes? Are their videos or pictures of him? Have you touched him? Why does anyone here think that George Washington was real?

All we have that George Washington was a real person are written accounts of his existence by people that saw him. Paintings or drawings of him created by people that saw him. Letters that we are told he wrote. History books written by others that claim he existed.

Kind of sounds like the tangible evidence we have for UAPs and NHI? We have videos and pictures - you can download them from the government website. We have written documents of their existence by people that saw them. Thousands and thousands of accounts by people that have seen and engaged with UAPs and NHI with similar stories. Radar and other sensor evidence and documentation. Not enough??? Right…

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Jugstore Cowboy said:

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Well, we also have his house, personal effects, descendants of his relatives, DNA tests of his relatives and descendants, documents he wrote or signed in his own hand.....

but other than that....

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The body of evidence that UAP and NHI are real is overwhelming. Yet, people still doubt. This comes down to a trust level that the information received is from a trustworthy source.

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Sensing something, I look to the window, where I see what is unmistakably a non-human being staring at my son. It's gray and has a large head with small black eyes, no noticeable nose, and a small mouth. Startled, it turns to face me. We have a few seconds of a standoff, then the light goes dark, and it's gone.

I run out the front door into the cold, predawn silence. Nothing's there. I check the living room window, almost 9 feet off the ground. How could anyone or anything look at me from that window and disappear in seconds?

As shocking as this may sound, at this point in my life, I was not surprised that my family and I were being observed by non-human intelligent life. I had been investigating unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP), also known as unidentified flying objects (UFOs), and non-human intelligence (NHI) for about nine years as a Senior Defense Intelligence Officer (DIO) on behalf of the U.S. Government. My family and I had never had any personal experience with UAP or NHI prior to my investigations, but we have had plenty of experiences since then.

Were they paying attention to me because I was paying attention to them? It certainly seemed that way.

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Hal and Eric exchanged a look, and Hal finally said, "We know more than we've told you."

I leaned in. "Okay. How much more?"

"A lot," Eric replied. "This isn't some small cell or hobby shop operation. The Legacy Program is massive, sprawling, heavily funded, deeply compartmentalized."

"It's a UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program," Hal said.

"Since when?" I asked.

"Since the 1940s," Hal said. "It's been running continuously, buried layer after layer."

I started to get a bit angry at the thought of all of this and asked, "Who' s involved?"

Hal didn't hesitate. "Elements of the CIA. The Air Force. Department of Energy." Eric added, "And some of the biggest defense contractors. Lockheed Martin plays a central role, but they're not the only ones. There are others, major firms with the right capabilities for the kind of work this program handles."

The combination of CIA direction, DOE classification authority, Air Force transport, contracting, and Special Operations formed a web of compartmentalization so effective that even senior government officials and the President were kept out of the loop. They wouldn't even know where to look for answers or what questions to ask.

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According to him, Lockheed had twelve recovered craft of non-human origin in total at that time. Some came with biological occupants. Some were dead on arrival. Others, allegedly, were alive but later perished, refusing food or contact. Communication was limited and often futile. Some of what had been discovered, Ryder told me, was so disturbing that it led individuals involved to resign, suffer mental breakdowns, and in some cases, take their own lives. The truth was just too difficult for them to process.

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After much research and analysis, though, Hal and Eric realized one breakthrough technology was responsible for everything. With enough energy you could create a warp bubble around a craft that would have a different property of space-time inside the bubble than outside of it. This energy field would completely separate the craft from the environment. By manipulating the bubble's properties, you could change the craft' s direction of motion, such that you have a pulling force in front and a pushing force behind.

This technology also explains why UAP can go seamlessly from space to air to water, which we have seen on both video and in reporting. Simply put, the environment the bubble is going through doesn't matter to the craft in the bubble. Earth's gravitational field no longer has any effect on the UAP, so it doesn't need things like wings and engines to fly. The immense amount of energy that comes from this bubble would also cause biological effects to anyone that got too close, while protecting the occupants inside.

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I thought what happened at the ranch would stay at the ranch. Unfortunately, I was wrong. It began subtly once I was home: odd noises, doors found open when no one had opened them, even the locked front door occasionally standing wide open. Footsteps moved through empty rooms and up and down the wooden stairs. Knocks echoed through the halls in the middle of the night. Objects rattled without cause. It was all in-line with the kind of activity documented at the ranch, but no one, including Jim, had mentioned anything following them home.

I would later learn that my family was far from the first to experience this, and sadly we won't be the last. Others who spent time on the ranch went on to have issues as well. BAASS security guards had gone home to find their lives upended by strange phenomena; some refused to ever return to the property. Others who visited the ranch reported similar events: objects moving on their own, bizarre animal behavior, disembodied voices, orbs, and unexplained electrical failures. Colm kept a ledger of these cases for anyone willing to report them, looking for common threads and patterns.

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There, standing in the tree line, was a figure, tall, easily 7 to 8 feet, its outline shimmering in the sunlight like heat rising off asphalt. The closest comparison I can give is the cloaking effect from the original Predator 8 movie from the 1980s, but this wasn't a Hollywood movie. This was real, and this thing had mass, presence. Across its chest was an orange shimmer, not a glow exactly, more like the faint, shifting reflection of something mechanical, but fractured and fluid. It stood there for a moment, just watching. Then it turned, and its body seemed to distort, bending light around itself as it melted back into the trees. I pushed forward, trying to follow, but the vegetation was too thick. There were no footprints, no broken branches, nothing to suggest anything had been there at all.

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One night at 3:00 a.m., my youngest son, Jonny, who was thirteen at the time, was awakened by "balls of light" swarming his room. He said he heard them "screaming," which was a shock because at this point in his life he was legally deaf, requiring hearing devices that he removed at nighttime. These "balls of light" were in a variety of sizes from softballs to golf balls, some blue, some red, and the smallest ones white, and they swirled around him in the darkness. He said he got incredibly angry, and as his anger built, some of the blue lights started "vibrating," turning from blue to red and darting toward him, hitting him in the face, chest, and abdomen.

Words can't express the fear and helplessness I felt standing there, staring down at my shocked and damaged thirteen-year-old son who had come perilously close to the orbs.

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When I confided in Hal Puthoff and Eric Davis about this, they informed me that President George H. W. Bush had told them about the Holloman Air Force Base contact event in a private meeting around 2003, during his son, George W. Bush's, presidency. When H.W. Bush became the Director of the CIA during the Ford administration, he did not get briefed on the Legacy UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program, or contact events, but he found out some of the basic facts. When he became President, he pursued more of the truth but was told he did not have a need-to-know.

That's right, the President of the U.S., who had also served as the Director of the CIA and as Vice President of the U.S. under President Reagan, was not given access to the truth and told he did not have a need to know it.

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The point of this exercise is to show that most of what we believe is based on having trust about what PEOPLE HAVE TOLD YOU because we have not personally been there or experienced the subject of discussion ourselves.

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• Evidence that governments around the world take this subject extremely seriously and study UFO/UAP sightings rigorously. The evidence we have for this is overwhelming and consistent.
• Evidence that non-human intelligence is responsible for UFO/UAP sightings that have not been explained as prosaic phenomena or outright deception. The evidence here is murky, inconclusive, inconsistent, and relies heavily on witnesses rather than hard evidence.

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Stratton writes, once he gained the confidence of Navy and Air Force pilots, they opened up saying their UAP encounters don't happen every so often, but every single day.

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Advocates of physical evidence - and you're correct 100% - should look into LA Marzuili and his work with implants, or Garry Nolan (man of major credentials) -

Also, 1977 incident at Devil's Den. Grok says:

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While dealing with knee pain (related to running or a fall), Lovelace had X-rays at a VA facility. Radiologists found anomalous metallic-appearing objects, including a roughly fingernail-sized square/chip-like object with two protruding wires above the knee and other foreign material (described in a floral/floret pattern) in the calf area. There were no corresponding surgical scars or history of injury/surgery that would explain them. This discovery triggered recovered memories and led him to go public. Some accounts note later claims that one or more of the objects disappeared after he began speaking out.

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I've seen bizarre things that show up in imaging for which the patient claims they have "no idea how that got there" for a variety of reasons.

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