+ confusion with actual airplanes. Aliens are not showing up with blinking lights that meet FAA standards......lunchbox said:Drones seen flying over New Jersey were "not the enemy" according to the White House.
— Brian Entin (@BrianEntin) January 28, 2025
Press Secretary says they were FAA approved drones for research purposes and also recreational drones.
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I think many of us can smell BS.
— Christopher Sharp (@ChrisUKSharp) January 28, 2025
- Why did FAA set up flight restrictions to stop its own approved drones?
- Why did the drones fly over sensitive military airspace?
- Why was there no communication of these incidents to FBI, DHS, DoD and local law enforcement, who were… https://t.co/W2QSPfga5z
1) There were exceptions https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_4_9197.html
2) This happens all the time, not just recently, and would have many explanations with unintentional being #1 but I think also some nefarious humans/organizations such as the Chinese national arrested in California. It's possible he was also naive and clueless but boarding a plane to China right after taking drone footage of sensitive area is a bit....questionable
3) "Leavitt continued to explain many of the drones were 'hobbyists, recreational and private individuals' and 'in time, it got worse due to curiosity.'" Also, no proof the research drones weren't communicated - perhaps that is proof of government sharing info with the public is piss poor.
4) Any proof of failed drone takedowns? Federal law would prevent forcibly downing a drone unless it posed an imminent threat.
2) This happens all the time, not just recently, and would have many explanations with unintentional being #1 but I think also some nefarious humans/organizations such as the Chinese national arrested in California. It's possible he was also naive and clueless but boarding a plane to China right after taking drone footage of sensitive area is a bit....questionable
3) "Leavitt continued to explain many of the drones were 'hobbyists, recreational and private individuals' and 'in time, it got worse due to curiosity.'" Also, no proof the research drones weren't communicated - perhaps that is proof of government sharing info with the public is piss poor.
4) Any proof of failed drone takedowns? Federal law would prevent forcibly downing a drone unless it posed an imminent threat.
Haven't had time to watch yet, but here you go...
Here is the first Episode of Skywatcher. The egg summoning - first try. https://t.co/pNOtD13rOX
— jakebarber (@jakebarber2025) January 28, 2025
By the way, one other point on my "opposition" here.
I was actually into this stuff probably before almost anyone here. In my day it was Roswell, thr Nova Scotia USO, Kecksberg. Stanton Friedman, Bob Lazar, Rendlesham Forest, Budd Hopkins and his work on missing time, Tunguska, Lonnie Zamora, Travis Walton, Fire in the Sky…. I can't count how many of those stories I voraciously ate up and researched. And in the end, they were all identical. Interesting stories with little to no actual proof of anything. And the people promoting them were always "one step away" from the truth. Particularly after I found out through my own research that Lazar had a sordid past and criminal record that was never mentioned by any of the "respected UFO researchers" I finally grew out of the "I want to believe phase". 30 plus years later, we are still there though, one step away, lots of "could or "may". Though as our technology gets better, so do the stories, which always seem to be just one step ahead of where we are at the time.
One last point on New Jersey.
Here are the high level options:
Government is generally telling the truth and people suffered from some overzealous imaginations.
It was a military exercise
It was a government investigation or dry run of some kind, as one of the earlier videos posited. Which would completely fit with what the government said today.
It was aliens/interdimensional beings who apparently weren't smart enough to turn their lights off and just decided to hang out over New Jersey day after day day, but only really at night, and then were gone.
Of those, which is most plausible? More to the point, which one is the least plausible by miles? And yet even after the feds say it wasn't anything sinister, it's still being debated as possible UAPs.
I realize no one here can have their mind changed, so I'll drop it now. Just seeing people where I was send me into remembrance mode a bit.
I was actually into this stuff probably before almost anyone here. In my day it was Roswell, thr Nova Scotia USO, Kecksberg. Stanton Friedman, Bob Lazar, Rendlesham Forest, Budd Hopkins and his work on missing time, Tunguska, Lonnie Zamora, Travis Walton, Fire in the Sky…. I can't count how many of those stories I voraciously ate up and researched. And in the end, they were all identical. Interesting stories with little to no actual proof of anything. And the people promoting them were always "one step away" from the truth. Particularly after I found out through my own research that Lazar had a sordid past and criminal record that was never mentioned by any of the "respected UFO researchers" I finally grew out of the "I want to believe phase". 30 plus years later, we are still there though, one step away, lots of "could or "may". Though as our technology gets better, so do the stories, which always seem to be just one step ahead of where we are at the time.
One last point on New Jersey.
Here are the high level options:
Government is generally telling the truth and people suffered from some overzealous imaginations.
It was a military exercise
It was a government investigation or dry run of some kind, as one of the earlier videos posited. Which would completely fit with what the government said today.
It was aliens/interdimensional beings who apparently weren't smart enough to turn their lights off and just decided to hang out over New Jersey day after day day, but only really at night, and then were gone.
Of those, which is most plausible? More to the point, which one is the least plausible by miles? And yet even after the feds say it wasn't anything sinister, it's still being debated as possible UAPs.
I realize no one here can have their mind changed, so I'll drop it now. Just seeing people where I was send me into remembrance mode a bit.
Jordan Jozack comes forward as a member of the Skywatcher Psionic team, Jordan says he worked with NHI directly
— neandrewthal (@disgustipated42) January 29, 2025
And was able to pilot craft with his consciousness in a psionic exploitation program
Jordan -“most recently I worked in the space, technology space, a little bit of… https://t.co/fw7SChTotn pic.twitter.com/ei9pIppziQ
It sounds like we now have our first firsthand UFO reverse engineering whistleblower in Jordan Jozak.
— Lester Nare (@lesternare) January 29, 2025
He states he worked directly with non-human intelligence as part of a classified 'psionic exploitation program' from 2005–2010. https://t.co/l76tSZJ5sG pic.twitter.com/4SZsMNQici
Jake barber says crash retrieval and reverse engineering is a worldwide phenomenon
— neandrewthal (@disgustipated42) January 29, 2025
Jake -“I can tell you that this is not unique to the United States and it's not unique to the, the most well-known private partners of the Department of Defense and the intelligence community.… https://t.co/fw7SChTotn pic.twitter.com/Or4eqYQI6r
Imagine this is your job and then, like, going through the McDonald's drive-through or whatever on the way home after work.
It would be such a crazy, mind-**** juxtaposition, navigating back-and-forth between normal, everyday life and "psionics" with NHI via the most secretive government program on Earth.
*If* any of this is true, of course.
Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing whatever documentation he says he's going to provide.
It would be such a crazy, mind-**** juxtaposition, navigating back-and-forth between normal, everyday life and "psionics" with NHI via the most secretive government program on Earth.
*If* any of this is true, of course.
Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing whatever documentation he says he's going to provide.
oragator said:
By the way, one other point on my "opposition" here.
I was actually into this stuff probably before almost anyone here. In my day it was Roswell, thr Nova Scotia USO, Kecksberg. Stanton Friedman, Bob Lazar, Rendlesham Forest, Budd Hopkins and his work on missing time, Tunguska, Lonnie Zamora, Travis Walton, Fire in the Sky…. I can't count how many of those stories I voraciously ate up and researched. And in the end, they were all identical. Interesting stories with little to no actual proof of anything. And the people promoting them were always "one step away" from the truth. Particularly after I found out through my own research that Lazar had a sordid past and criminal record that was never mentioned by any of the "respected UFO researchers" I finally grew out of the "I want to believe phase". 30 plus years later, we are still there though, one step away, lots of "could or "may".
Again... you're simply not stating facts. Which is especially ironic in this instance, seeing as you have Friedman and Lazar's names listed next to each other when, in reality, Friedman notoriously exposed Lazar. In fact, it was Friedman who did the first digging on Lazar, called the various schools inquiring about his records, and ultimately came to the conclusion that Lazar was full of sh*t. Friedman was the OG Lazar hater. And ever since then, most respected experts in the field also find Lazar to be highly dubious, if not a flat-out lier, for the exact reasons you mentioned. Outside of Jeremy Corbell, in what world are any of these people hiding/failing to mention Lazar's criminal record, the many inconsistencies in his story, how shady he is, etc? His ridiculously suspect past IS the thing he's most known for now among respected circles.
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Though as our technology gets better, so do the stories, which always seem to be just one step ahead of where we are at the time.
This too. Again, just not at all accurate. Seeing as, since the '40s, reports of UAP have always described them as defying the laws of physics in all the same ways, showing no visible means of propulsion, having made sharp, 90-degree turns while flying thousands of miles an hour, traveling from the ocean to the stratosphere (and back) in seconds, etc. What witnesses of the 2004 Nimitz incident refer to as white a "tic tac" were referred to as white "butane tanks" by pilots in the 40s/50s. Never mind WWII pilots describing encounters with "orbs," same as our pilots today (like Ryan Graves), while the traditional disc-shape UAP has remained the most consistently and prominently reported shape for nearly eight decades now.
As for the whole piloted-by-consciousness thing, that's been rumored for some time now as well.
In fact, the only "new" information/tech I can recall is the idea that the craft themselves might be conscious in some way as well. Otherwise, I genuinely don't know what you're referring to, re: your comment above.
Shot and chaser
🧵THREAD: Why are "FAA-Approved Drones" Disrupting Restricted Airspace? Why can't anyone tell us who is controlling them, and for what purpose?
— Steve Skojec (@SteveSkojec) January 29, 2025
The White House, via @PressSec, wants us to believe the video below is the truth. It isn't. Keep reading and I'll show you why 👇 pic.twitter.com/tV7UhHwuPB
The activity there was not FAA approved. I know firsthand. I was assigned there specifically to look at the debacle from a FAA violation standpoint in order to give a basis to the FBI. Someone is not presenting the whole story to our new president.
— jakebarber (@jakebarber2025) January 29, 2025
Transparency and Disclosure now, please. We can handle it. Receipts in Steve's thread. No more lying.
Pretty discouraging considering the recent lame explanation.Redstone said:
Transparency and Disclosure now, please. We can handle it. Receipts in Steve's thread. No more lying.
I discovered Chris Ramsey's YouTube channel a few weeks ago and have really, really come to like his stuff. Great analysis, good interviews, extremely high production value, and overall he just brings a pragmatic, level-headed approach to the subject, is skeptical in all the right ways, but willing to engage every last theory, etc. I highly recommend his channel, and this looks to be a great interview tomorrow…
https://youtube.com/@area52investigations
My interview with @LueElizondo Premieres tomorrow at 12pm et. pic.twitter.com/2iCVLZDemQ
— Chris Ramsay (@chrisramsay52) January 30, 2025
https://youtube.com/@area52investigations
Just released - I am pleased to share the longest and most candid interview I have ever done.
— jakebarber (@jakebarber2025) January 30, 2025
Lots of new information here.
I hope this answers a lot of questions and raises others that need to be answered with a sense of urgency. ✨🇺🇸 https://t.co/mICGY9Fjk2
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Ammar (@YesTheory), Logan (@LoganPaul) and I had the honor of interviewing Jake Barber (@jakebarber2025), a former Air Force Veteran who went undercover as a "director of operations for a helicopter company". In reality, Jake was recovering non-human UFOs or UAPs (as they're now commonly known) as part of a larger crash retrieval operation. These UFOs were "called in" using "psionic" or psychic assets. He describes two experiences: retrieving a white "egg" shaped object and a black 8-sided craft. These are just two of at least 8 categories of these exotic objects the US government has systematically collected since World War II. We discuss:
1. The existence of non-human operated underwater bases housing these exotic crafts
2. Wet works and assassination programs involved in legacy UFO operations
3. The recruitment of gifted children as psionic assets
4. Out-strategizing the Defense Department by clearing all of this info under "science fiction"
5. How Jake worked FIRSTHAND on the New Jersey Drone issue and can confirm that it didn't simply involve FAA approved drones…
6. Trump's statements on UFOs and his administration's orientation towards disclosure
7. Biological beings onboard crafts - how sentient are they?
8. The UFO-nuclear connection. Corporate and government espionage and game theory.
9. JFK's death and UFOs - are they related?
10. Jake's attempt to build a privately funded civilian-side UFO program with Skywatcher (@SkywatcherHQ)
11. How UFOs are impossible to deal with without their underlying spiritual implications. The inner-outer dualist scientific paradigm is breaking down. And one's underlying intention will always manifest. Seek and ye shall find.
She brought UAPs up on her own without being asked. This was part of her opening statement. Very encouraging. https://t.co/fWkH80i6HW
— UAP News (@HighPeaks77) January 30, 2025
A snippet from the 1979 article I pasted a few pages back:
After "Sign," the Air Force continued to collect U.F.O. data under the code name "Grudge." This sixmonth project found no evidence of foreign scientific development and therefore no direct threat to national security. It did, however, stress that the reported sightings could be dangerous. "There are indications that the planned release of related psychological propaganda would cause a form of mass hysteria," the report stated. "Employment of these methods by or against an enemy would yield similar results ... governmental agencies interested in psychological warfare should be informed of the results of this study."
After "Sign," the Air Force continued to collect U.F.O. data under the code name "Grudge." This sixmonth project found no evidence of foreign scientific development and therefore no direct threat to national security. It did, however, stress that the reported sightings could be dangerous. "There are indications that the planned release of related psychological propaganda would cause a form of mass hysteria," the report stated. "Employment of these methods by or against an enemy would yield similar results ... governmental agencies interested in psychological warfare should be informed of the results of this study."
my periodic "thank you" for all your heavy lifting on this thread.
some amazing stuff.
some amazing stuff.
I'm going to need my secret decoder ring for this cipher.Quote:
11. How UFOs are impossible to deal with without their underlying spiritual implications. The inner-outer dualist scientific paradigm is breaking down. And one's underlying intention will always manifest. Seek and ye shall find.
Agristotle said:
my periodic "thank you" for all your heavy lifting on this thread.
some amazing stuff.
No problem!
Yeah, I have no idea what any of that means. Will watch sometime in the next few days and hope to find out.
Anybody listen to the Jason Sands and Lenval Logan on Rogan. Sands lost credibility over the course of the interview. Starting to think he is out of his mind. Lenval is a little more believable.
I wanted to post this to hear some of your thoughts. I have not been following this until I listened to this podcast.
I wanted to post this to hear some of your thoughts. I have not been following this until I listened to this podcast.
re: Sands and most of the military guys
If they're lying about any verifiable aspect of the service, it will be detailed and called out immediately, and they're putting a reputation on the line while trying to make sense of something metaphysical. Assuming they're not selling something, I'm inclined to believe their subjective descriptions of the indescribable.
What did Jake Barber talk about today? That something like Angel / Demon - "good v. bad" is a decent framework. I think that's the main point here - consciousness, dimensions, spirits (does not exclude mostly materialist other creations) …. and again fitting into an Apostolic (Catholic / Orthodox) mystical tradition, ie Bl. Anne Catherine Emmerich's "planetary spirits" (Angelico Press)
If they're lying about any verifiable aspect of the service, it will be detailed and called out immediately, and they're putting a reputation on the line while trying to make sense of something metaphysical. Assuming they're not selling something, I'm inclined to believe their subjective descriptions of the indescribable.
What did Jake Barber talk about today? That something like Angel / Demon - "good v. bad" is a decent framework. I think that's the main point here - consciousness, dimensions, spirits (does not exclude mostly materialist other creations) …. and again fitting into an Apostolic (Catholic / Orthodox) mystical tradition, ie Bl. Anne Catherine Emmerich's "planetary spirits" (Angelico Press)
I guess so, but sands said he has been unemployed since august last year. I feel like he has nothing to lose at this point, and his choice at this point is to double down on his stories.
I need something tangible for me to believe the stories, I dated a compulsive liar, a crazy hot one. They can live in a complete fictitious world, and state everything as matter of fact. This country seems to sharpen liars. Sands reminded me of the compulsive liar at times during the interview. It's a mental health deal.
I have to think Trump will expose as much as he can. I wish he could appoint someone like Kash Patel to investigate and expose everything there is about it to the public
Logan came across as more believable, but he also seems to believe Sands, which for me places doubt on his stories also.
I need something tangible for me to believe the stories, I dated a compulsive liar, a crazy hot one. They can live in a complete fictitious world, and state everything as matter of fact. This country seems to sharpen liars. Sands reminded me of the compulsive liar at times during the interview. It's a mental health deal.
I have to think Trump will expose as much as he can. I wish he could appoint someone like Kash Patel to investigate and expose everything there is about it to the public
Logan came across as more believable, but he also seems to believe Sands, which for me places doubt on his stories also.
Earth Rider said:
Anybody listen to the Jason Sands and Lenval Logan on Rogan. Sands lost credibility over the course of the interview. Starting to think he is out of his mind. Lenval is a little more believable.
I wanted to post this to hear some of your thoughts. I have not been following this until I listened to this podcast.
Sands is an f'ing nut and is obviously lying through his teeth on at least 90% of his stories. Conservatively. It was obvious to Rogan himself I think within about 15 minutes or so. It is far more believable to me that Sands is a disinformation agent meant to discredit the "movement" as it were, than actually provide any substance to it.
I didn't even come close to finishing it though so maybe there was some juicy nuggets I missed. I doubt it but could be wrong.
I'm afraid Sands is either lying, a nut job, or both. That, and every credible person in the field seems super skeptical of him, while James Fox has been distancing himself from him as of late as well (for some inexplicable reason Fox included Sands in The Program, and you can tell Fox seems to regret it now).
That said, on the opposite end of the spectrum, I'm around 40 minutes into the Jesse Michels/Jake Barber interview above and I could not be more impressed. So far it's way better than the NewsNation piece. Sure, Barber makes some wild claims that, again, he's going to have to back up at some point. But man, his knowledge, background, resume, credentials, etc are incredibly impressive. This dude absolutely knows his **** and is who he says he is (if the paperwork didn't already prove it). I'll report back after I've finished the entire thing, but I highly recommend it so far...
I'm now an hour twenty into this thing and, I'm sorry, but there is absolutely no way Barber isn't legit, or isn't at least telling the truth as he knows it. But what he knows is clearly A LOT. His knowledge is just insane, as is the crazy detail into which he's delving. He is 100% speaking from a vast amount of beyond impressive experience, while recalling actual memories, not exaggerated or made up bull***** It's genuinely impressive and all comes across as so damn authentic. His matter-of-fact-ness is especially effective, as he covers increasingly mind-blowing topics.
Anyway, it's late and I need to sleep, so I'll finish the rest this weekend, but I already can't wait.
Anyway, it's late and I need to sleep, so I'll finish the rest this weekend, but I already can't wait.
NM, I found it.
At this point, sure, why not…
Photo from a square structure on Mars posted to reddit. It is indeed real.
— Chris Ramsay (@chrisramsay52) January 31, 2025
This image originates from the Mars Global Surveyor's Mars Orbiter Camera (MOC)
The original image can be viewed through Arizona State University's Mars Image Explorer. pic.twitter.com/Z3TevH6oCa
oops posted above - been away for work!
Lue Elizondo says there’s info that suggests UAP are interested in Uranium and Gold mines
— neandrewthal (@disgustipated42) January 31, 2025
Source -Area 52
🔗 in comments
“So there is a lot of information on this topic that to suggest that uranium mines are a particular interest and other mines as well, believe it or not,… pic.twitter.com/2leispivkP
Which begs the question .... why aren't UAPs interested in asteroid 16 Psyche ... thought to contain gold valued between $10 and $700 quintillion? By BS antennas are vibrating at Tacoma levels ... what UAP nformation is Elizando referring to?TCTTS said:
"..... and there has been some information to suggest that UAP are interested in mining operations, both uranium and gold."
Can you definitively say that UAPs aren't interested in Asteroid 16 Psyche or asteroids in general?
What UAP information are you referring to?
What UAP information are you referring to?
To the uninitiated such as myself this thread appears highly speculative.
I don't mean or intend to doubt anyone's beliefs or opinions, but has there ever been something physical that has been made available to the public?
I would think that if there are aliens, they wouldn't have exclusively landed in the US, and if one of the South American countries or most other countries encountered one and recovered a spacecraft or some other remnant that was clearly alien, , they would internationally publicize it, exploit it for profit, and have it on a parade float.
So although I want to believe , I can't help but think it is always a fascinating topic but the problem is there has not ever been some physical remnant that could be verifiable proof of alien revealed to the public in some country that proved legitimate,
There are a ton of great actors out there, plus the people that found and supposedly recovered spacecraft, I think at some point they would be able to acquire something of definitive proof, even if it is the size of a penny so their story is verifiable.
Basically there are a lot of trust me bro stories, and then a lot of speculation.
I don't mean or intend to doubt anyone's beliefs or opinions, but has there ever been something physical that has been made available to the public?
I would think that if there are aliens, they wouldn't have exclusively landed in the US, and if one of the South American countries or most other countries encountered one and recovered a spacecraft or some other remnant that was clearly alien, , they would internationally publicize it, exploit it for profit, and have it on a parade float.
So although I want to believe , I can't help but think it is always a fascinating topic but the problem is there has not ever been some physical remnant that could be verifiable proof of alien revealed to the public in some country that proved legitimate,
There are a ton of great actors out there, plus the people that found and supposedly recovered spacecraft, I think at some point they would be able to acquire something of definitive proof, even if it is the size of a penny so their story is verifiable.
Basically there are a lot of trust me bro stories, and then a lot of speculation.
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