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TCTTS said:

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"UAP/NHI are almost assuredly inter-dimensional."

What does this mean?


Reportedly, UAP often have the ability to seemingly blink in and out of existence, travel through solid matter, etc. Not to mention, Grusch and other credible officials like him have made the inter-dimensional claims themselves, as if those in-the-know from whom they've gathered their info have seen some kind of evidence of this. To that end, science increasingly indicates that there's a "quantum field" beyond our three-dimensional understanding of reality, one that binds everything, is responsible for quantum entanglement, etc, and that quantum field/realm/dimension could be where at least some NHI reside/"ascended" to. If so, think of UAP/NHI craft kind of like we use submarines to descend into more dense waters, except they could be "descending" into our denser, three-dimensional reality from whatever 4D/5D/quantum dimension they may or may not be from. Obviously I'm no scientist, but that's the best I can explain it.


Interesting. I appreciate the deep water analogy.
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Will revisit with more reading
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I didn't really dabble in it last night. Just enough to get first gauge. Most of it, I can sorta relate to though.

First was the usual over hyping and dramatization of the whole leadup. The usual shenanigans from the usual suspects. Nothing new there. Then the video itself. I tend to agree with it. It didn't really do nothing for me. Two main problems for me. It has zero context in it and it has no real scale. It may seem nitpicky but it's just a weird video that is strengthened solely on being told what it is and what is happening. Which is my second problem. It is another anonymous sourced video. I thought it was Barber's video but nah. 11 seconds of showing an egg shaped thing on a line. That is it. Which we have to rely on "Trust me, bro" context behind it, and people are burning out on that line real quick. Like I mentioned above, if you already believe it is a capture of an alien craft, this footage is fantastic. But if there is any room for skepticism, or in my case, for something to be crystal clear on it's own to have true weight, then the video is left wanting. Too easy to fake and too easy to dismiss.

And the whole feminine divine energy rubbed a lot of people wrong too tbh. IMO, there is a fairly large group of people who are not ready or willing to marry the idea of NHI and telepathic communication together. Then sprinkle in religious aspects and you lose even more people.

That was my first impressions just doom scrolling around for a bit though. I don't actively engage on these platforms on this topic. A mere lurker.
Well, feeling industrious this morning ... I measured the L/W ratio of some of my HEB eggs with my handy-dandy vernier calipers ... 57.9mm x 44.85mm = 1.29. Then I measured a blowup of last night's UAP. Voila. 1.27. Coincidence?
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Visiting the hill, via telepathy.

24 minute new supplementary episode.

https://thetelepathytapes.com

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-telepathy-tapes/id1766382649?i=1000684544315
I finally got my wife to start listening to the telepathy tapes! She will be interested to learn that there will be these new drops every other Sunday.
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Ready for remote viewing and time manipulation?
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Redstone said:

Ready for remote viewing and time manipulation?


My body is ready
Clear Eyes. Full Heart. Might Lose
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First was the usual over hyping and dramatization of the whole leadup. The usual shenanigans from the usual suspects. Nothing new there.

I know you're mainly relaying other's complaints but…

To be clear, no one actually involved with the video hyped it to the levels you're claiming. Literally all they said/confirmed was that they had video of a retrieval. Not Ross, not anyone reputable spoke to its potential game-changing nature or anything of the sort. It was others/more fringe types who then hyped the possibilities, while just as many "usual suspects" warned against heightened expectations, a couple of which I posted in this very thread beforehand. For all the hype, there were just as many wait-and-see warnings.

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"It has zero context and it has zero scale."

"I thought it was Barber's video but nah."

First of all, Ross never explicitly said that it wasn't video from Barber's mission. Ross only said that he/NewsNation independently obtained the video. So, my guess is that Barber or a member of his team either told them or hinted to them where they could likely find it, and then Ross and his deep bench of contacts did the rest of the work from there. But it's almost assuredly from the Barber mission. They didn't just happen to find Barber and then happen to find this video separate of each other.

As for context/scale, Barber said the craft was roughly 20 feet long and that he was 150 feet away (the length of the rope). So right there, we *do* have scale. Would it have been nice to have a bit more context about what was happening the exact clip they showed? Sure. But given the circumstances, I understand not having Barber narrate that particular clip so as to have plausible deniability. My guess is him talking about his duties in general terms is probably less of an offense than directly narrating his involvement in an incident depicted in a video that was potentially obtained by illegal means (or via some gray area shenanigans at best).

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"It may seem nitpicky but it's just a weird video that is strengthened solely on being told what it is and what is happening."

"That is it. Which we have to rely on "Trust me, bro" context behind it, and people are burning out on that line real quick."

This is how it's going to be until someone comes forward who's willing to - and almost assuredly will - spend years in jail. I don't understand how/why people don't get this. If smoking-gun footage is released anonymously, claims of fake/special effects/A.I. will be even more rampant than they already would have been. So it's going to take a reputable name/face - or reputable names/faces - to claim the smoking-gun footage, and back it up with all kinds credentials, paperwork, testimony, etc. And that person/those people WILL be prosecuted, and WILL go to jail, at least until disclosure officially happens and that person/those people can be officially pardoned. But they'd obviously be taking a massive gamble. The footage/paperwork/testimony would literally have to lead directly to disclosure/pardons, which obviously can't be guaranteed ahead of time. Thus… jail. At least for a while. So, basically, complaining that someone hasn't been willing to do that yet seems weird and honestly kind of heartless.

Otherwise, IMO, "Trust me, bro" is pretty damn good in this particular instance, and not nearly as flippant as you're making it sound. Barber's credentials are impressive/legit, and showing his colleagues - all of whom are reputable in their own right - all backing Barber up, is pretty damn impressive/legit in its own right. That's why Ross went to the trouble of convincing them to come forward and put their reputations on the line as well.

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And the whole feminine divine energy rubbed a lot of people wrong too tbh. IMO, there is a fairly large group of people who are not ready or willing to marry the idea of NHI and telepathic communication together. Then sprinkle in religious aspects and you lose even more people.

I used to feel this way as well, but in the past year or so have definitely changed my tune. Simply because there's going to be no way to separate the two (the "nuts and bolts" from the "woo"). The second we go from an official announcement that "aliens are real" to "and they pilot their craft with their minds," down the rabbit hole we go. So we might as well just rip the bandaid off now. If it's too much for some people... tough. They'll catch up. That said, we've already seen how fast people can come around on "psionics" via The Telepathy Tapes, and my guess is the population will be even more primed on the subject by the time disclosure actually happens, so I'm not too worried about this aspect in the long run.
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HUGE NEWS! The most under reported moment from the News Nation UAP EGG REPORT.

The Lt. Col John Blitch endorsement and confirmation of UAP recovery is INSANE.

He is probably the foremost expert on autonomous vehicle and human cognitive interaction.

Senior Research Scientist at Wright Patterson AFB
Program Manager (DARPA)
Delta Force Sniper-Special Forces
Operations Research Analyst (SOCOM)
Inducted into the Space Technology Hall of Fame
Masters Degree in Math and Computer Science
Doctorate in Cognitive Psychology
President of Blitz Solutions Inc

Consultant for the White House Oce of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP), NASA, NIST, DHS, the DoD

While at Wright Paterson Air he personally recruited, assessed and lead a specialized interagency research team comprised of cognitive neuroscientists and security forces personnel deployed internationally on a series of challenging and complex human-robot teaming experiments carried out in high risk environments.

At The Warfighter Effectiveness Research Center he served as the sole DoD panel member on NASA's telepresence study group exploring the role of communication latency on space exploration eectiveness.

At Warghter's Edge Advanced Development laboratory advanced concept development in support of space dominance, special operations, and other critical warghter needs. Of particular relevance is the novel way in which the WEDGE inspired multiple small businesses to collaborate on joint research projects through bi-weekly Collaborative Technical eXchange (CTX) sessions on projects usually dominated by large defense contractors.

DARPA personally recruited as one of approximately 15 cognitive neuroscience consultants including world class academic chairs, astronauts, and industry leaders to assess the operational potential of emergent neurophysiological monitoring technologies for defense applications.

Conducted the world's rst reported EEG-based assessment of automation-induced learning decits in novice Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) operators. After validating the potential for poorly implemented automation to impede learning eectiveness, this research established that cognitive disengagement was the most likely cause of this deleterious inuence and not workload as postulated in previous literature.

Conducted multiple marsupial ROV deployments for crisis mitigation of damaged and destroyed drill rigs throughout the GoM (Gulf of Mexico).

Launched the rst robot-assisted rescue team in North America certied by the Mine Safety & Heath Administration (MSHA).

Provided consulting services to an assortment of government and commercial entities focused on sensitive technologies and unmanned systems applications

Conducted the nation's rst deployment of portable Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) on an active wildre.
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Again... this all so far beyond "Trust me, bro."
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Interesting analysis by Billy.

Is this a balloon? In his opinion, "Clearly, this egg has mass, it's not a balloon. It's a heavy egg."

Why no rotor wash? Too high up and wind would be coming down behind the object and helicopter. He shows an example.

Are the shadows correct? Yes, and coming from an artificial light source from the side and not very high off the ground.

Does the audio sound like the type of helicopter in the video (Yes) and why was audio recorded in the first place? Don't know. Maybe NN added it?

Is this Night Vision? No, it appears to have been recorded on a high-sensitivity, low-light camera.

He thinks the cradle may have been designed to pick up and carry objects that are this specific shape.
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TCTTS said:


Yep.
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Who said 'trust me bruv'
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The Bledsoe family, IMO honest and sincere experiencers, helps to understand and are also a cautionary tale.

Another point why the Apostolic (Catholic / Orthodox) mystical tradition is so useful, and why Tim Taylor of NASA and Encounters / American Cosmic fled to it: explanatory power of real high strangeness.

Unfortunately lacking this framework can definitely lead to divine goddess / Mother Earth stuff - both real entities and also liars.

https://hathors.substack.com/p/the-chris-bledsoe-regression-transcript

Here, a beautiful woman of light, named after Egyptian gods, is the divine feminine eternal spirit of God.

Perhaps this is true and also deception and dangerous, trickster entities like those detailed by NDE experiencer Bryan Melvin (("A Land Unknown") - and many DMT trippers as well.

In this view, "interdimensional beings" and "planetary spirits" exist, with angels / satans job descriptions (messengers / accusers) … faithful and fallen entities present a wider reality - for instance, the princes of Daniel 10.

The danger is coming to view entities such as Hathor as "divine" - depending upon the intention of the word, because there is language such as God's Divine Council (it's in Michael Heiser, The Unseen Realm).

Apostolic tradition is an important explanatory framework. What we are witnessing is strongly spiritual (which does not exclude other mostly materialist creations, again search video with Howard Storm and aliens in various engines, I love his explanation).
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Maybe I also need more time to digest it all, but I found the egg video predictably underwhelming and just... blah. Why is everything limited to just short little clips? I don't know, I admittedly need to do some more reading, but for whatever reason, this just did nothing for me. Feels like another thing where everyone wants so badly for it to be what they want it to be that they all just say that it is what they want it to be.

(Tune in on Tuesday for my complete reversal and endorsement of all of it, haha).
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It's less about the actual footage itself, the length of the video, etc and more that IF you believe Barber & co, it's the historical implications of the video. It means we're looking at the first-ever relatively clear government footage of an actual NHI craft, one that's actually being retrieved by our government at that. It would prove that not only are we not alone/NHI are among us, but that the crash retrieval program is real as well. And because of the context, because of how credible Barber & co are, and because of how many other credible/reputable officials have claimed the existence of NHI/a crash retrieval program, the chances of this footage being real seem more likely than not. So, all things considered, again… it's what the footage implies, not necessarily what's shown in the footage itself.
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I'll believe it when I see it…

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"The point of the video wasn't to prove to the average watcher that there's true, anomalous, egg-shaped UAP. I think the point of the video was to send a signal to the legacy program that you guys have a problem. We have people on the inside that are willing to share video like this... That's sort of what you do in traditional counterintelligence, where you try and poke the bear or create dissension. You create noise, you create agita, and that sometimes makes that adversary service make mistakes."

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First was the usual over hyping and dramatization of the whole leadup. The usual shenanigans from the usual suspects. Nothing new there.

I know you're mainly relaying other's complaints but…

To be clear, no one actually involved with the video hyped it to the levels you're claiming. Literally all they said/confirmed was that they had video of a retrieval. Not Ross, not anyone reputable spoke to its potential game-changing nature or anything of the sort. It was others/more fringe types who then hyped the possibilities, while just as many "usual suspects" warned against heightened expectations, a couple of which I posted in this very thread beforehand. For all the hype, there were just as many wait-and-see warnings.

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"It has zero context and it has zero scale."

"I thought it was Barber's video but nah."

First of all, Ross never explicitly said that it wasn't video from Barber's mission. Ross only said that he/NewsNation independently obtained the video. So, my guess is that Barber or a member of his team either told them or hinted to them where they could likely find it, and then Ross and his deep bench of contacts did the rest of the work from there. But it's almost assuredly from the Barber mission. They didn't just happen to find Barber and then happen to find this video separate of each other.

As for context/scale, Barber said the craft was roughly 20 feet long and that he was 150 feet away (the length of the rope). So right there, we *do* have scale. Would it have been nice to have a bit more context about what was happening the exact clip they showed? Sure. But given the circumstances, I understand not having Barber narrate that particular clip so as to have plausible deniability. My guess is him talking about his duties in general terms is probably less of an offense than directly narrating his involvement in an incident depicted in a video that was potentially obtained by illegal means (or via some gray area shenanigans at best).

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"It may seem nitpicky but it's just a weird video that is strengthened solely on being told what it is and what is happening."

"That is it. Which we have to rely on "Trust me, bro" context behind it, and people are burning out on that line real quick."

This is how it's going to be until someone comes forward who's willing to - and almost assuredly will - spend years in jail. I don't understand how/why people don't get this. If smoking-gun footage is released anonymously, claims of fake/special effects/A.I. will be even more rampant than they already would have been. So it's going to take a reputable name/face - or reputable names/faces - to claim the smoking-gun footage, and back it up with all kinds credentials, paperwork, testimony, etc. And that person/those people WILL be prosecuted, and WILL go to jail, at least until disclosure officially happens and that person/those people can be officially pardoned. But they'd obviously be taking a massive gamble. The footage/paperwork/testimony would literally have to lead directly to disclosure/pardons, which obviously can't be guaranteed ahead of time. Thus… jail. At least for a while. So, basically, complaining that someone hasn't been willing to do that yet seems weird and honestly kind of heartless.

Otherwise, IMO, "Trust me, bro" is pretty damn good in this particular instance, and not nearly as flippant as you're making it sound. Barber's credentials are impressive/legit, and showing his colleagues - all of whom are reputable in their own right - all backing Barber up, is pretty damn impressive/legit in its own right. That's why Ross went to the trouble of convincing them to come forward and put their reputations on the line as well.

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And the whole feminine divine energy rubbed a lot of people wrong too tbh. IMO, there is a fairly large group of people who are not ready or willing to marry the idea of NHI and telepathic communication together. Then sprinkle in religious aspects and you lose even more people.

I used to feel this way as well, but in the past year or so have definitely changed my tune. Simply because there's going to be no way to separate the two (the "nuts and bolts" from the "woo"). The second we go from an official announcement that "aliens are real" to "and they pilot their craft with their minds," down the rabbit hole we go. So we might as well just rip the bandaid off now. If it's too much for some people... tough. They'll catch up. That said, we've already seen how fast people can come around on "psionics" via The Telepathy Tapes, and my guess is the population will be even more primed on the subject by the time disclosure actually happens, so I'm not too worried about this aspect in the long run.
By scale and context, I meant contained within the video itself. What am I looking at without post production narrative voiceover. And for this video, it's not entirely clear to me so it goes to the "Not compelling" mental slot in my mind. With the narrative context, sure it's cool but I don't think it has the legs to stand on it's own compared to some others out there. But hey, we take what we can get. And this isn't a binary reaction either or the best evidence ever or complete nonsensical fake. I am treating it as another data point in a pool of data points. And yes, I wanted to see more before they released it. And I did not. I was whelmed. I am only human.

As far as the "trust me, bro" statement, it is indicative of the entire UAP movement at large for the last decade or so since I have really taken an interest in it. Call it pessimistic weariness. In the video context, I meant it as we got shown something and were simply told we have to take it at face value at what we are seeing. Because my feeble human mind does not automatically see alien craft. Call it another human fault I guess. Again, not personally destroyed about the whole thing but I know for others, it's another rug pull. I am glad it's out there but I am also not wholeheartedly believing it at face value either based off the testimonial. That's my personal choice based off my experiences with this topic. That being said, I am not calling it fake either. I don't know what to believe with this particular video. So I just choose to accept it as a possibility. A data point, again.

Do I want someone to go to jail for disclosure? Absolutely not. I am not heartless as you say. But I am also pragmatic and a realist. If true disclosure comes from the whistleblower route, it is extremely likely someone is going to have to offer their freedom up in exchange initially. That is just reality as I see it, awful as it may be. Which ties into another point.

This past year of events I think has strengthened a pretty core belief of mine though however. One I have held since the beginning. On pretty much everything I am more than willing to discuss and be open and willing to change but on this one I find myself closing down more and more and I know will not be popular here. Humanity is not ready for this. And never will be. I know we like to think we are but we aren't. We just aren't and I don't see how anyone can even come close to convincing me otherwise. I've traveled a significant portion of this globe and mixed with people from every social fiber that I could have access to. Maybe I am just bitter or something, but we are dumb, stupid animals that terrify at the slightest unknown and will kill, war, repress, suppress, oppress at the hint of world change. And that is before the religious or psionic implications. Maybe the survivors of the ensuing catastrophic humane disasters will "be ready" but the human population as it stands now, is not.

As always though, great conversations here!

ETA: Great point on the Barber providing the video and just staying mum to protect himself.
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All fair points, and I hear you.

Also, just FYI, I wasn't calling you heartless. I was referring to the blowhards on social media - especially those last night - who keep demanding proof in the most immature, foot-stomping ways, without considering for a second what the person who leaks that proof is going to have to sacrifice.

As for humanity not being ready, I'm split.

If it was just "aliens from another planet," who were simply, say, a few hundred years more advanced than us, but otherwise nothing more than a physical/biological species who conquered anti-gravity and learned to traverse worm holes or whatever, I think humanity would be ready. The vast majority of people already believe we're not alone in the universe. That and, anecdotally, when talking to my very Christian family about this kind of stuff every so often, even they don't seem too phased by the possibility of aliens being here, now, among us. They're very pragmatic about it and very much have a "well if God created everything then he created them too" mindset.

But I do agree that when adding the "woo" to the equation - aka "psionics," telepathy, mind control, alternate dimensions, beings of light who can materialize in our 3D existence, etc - a lot of people ARE going to have a hard time swallowing that pill. At least at first. (Especially if there's irrefutable proof that NHI either created us or had a hand in our evolution.)

That said...

A) If all the "woo" is real then it's part of us too, it's part of the natural order of things and, ultimately, we'll acclimate to that natural state easier than you might think. To that end, I've been shocked at how "normies" are reacting to The Telepathy Tapes, both in its popularity (topping multiple podcast charts at one point) and in that most listeners seem to pretty easily be accepting its arguments/conclusions. When presented with (what seemingly looks to be) proof, as insane as that proof might be, people can accept the impossible if shown/argued/articulated elegantly and convincingly, in much the way The Telepathy Tapes does.

B) I think advancements in AI over the next 10-20 years have a chance to potentially make life so different/great/easy, and resources so abundant, that work, murder, rioting, war, etc might very well mostly be things of the past. Thus if/when disclosure happens, that pill will be way easier to swallow the further down the road it happens, seeing as society will have way less of a chance of crumbling if it's no longer primarily dependent on humans to run it. AI is advancing so fast right now that the trajectories of even six months ago feel ancient, and the implications of such an increasingly exponential curve are insane. We're about to see so much societal change in that regard (not immediately, but definitely starting around 2030 or so) that I think adding "aliens are here and oh, by the way, they're also psionic/from another dimension" to the list isn't going to be as big of a deal as one might think. AI is about to change world in very profound ways and, as I touched on the other day in this thread, I don't think it's a coincidence that the whole alien/disclosure thing is seemingly peaking at the exact same time. Somehow, on a cosmic/spiritual/evolutionary level, it all feels connected. Yes, there's a chance that both could lead to our demise, but increasingly it feels the opposite to me, and instead like we're heading toward whatever the next step of humanity might be.
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It's not only that, the critical questions are never asked by the "reporter", or by the believers of themselves.
From the basic idea of "these craft have technology far beyond what we can comprehend to either travel countless light years or inter-dimensionally, but seem to crash regularly when they get here (this video implies he alone was involved in several), and always seemingly on US soil, without it happening in an area where an entire town or neighborhood can walk up with their cameras and take videos". Does that seem logical or likely?

Then the more provable questions any good reporter would ask this guy. Proof of involvement in whatever org he claims to have been in. Asking who his supervisors were that "confirmed" it was an alien ship, seeing if they would go on record or put an affidavit down anonymously? How did they confirm it? Did he think the octagon one was alien before he got out there, and that may have impacted his mental state? Is his coming forward now related to the fact that he started a company on arial phenomena and this might help get him publicity?
To the even more simple, where did this happen? Can we go out to that location? What made you think it was "other wordly" - as the pilot in the dark you would have had a limited view of it beneath you. If you've been involved in several of these, were they all just happening near where you were, do they fly you to where these happen? If not, are there other groups around the country? If so, that would imply dozens of recovered craft. If not, how are the sites secured in the hours it takes to get there? Can we talk to anyone involved in either of those processes? Why hasn't the government put you under some form of punishment for speaking? And a hundred other questions.
But in the end, this "report" was what they all are. Find one guy with a story, find a few people to say "he's trustworthy", take his story at face value and call it a day. The only thing provable from the entire piece was that a helicopter picked up an object. Not even one that flies, but the reporter continually calls it a UAP, and claims it's the clearest evidence of one ever! It wasn't a news story, it was an infomercial for UAPs.
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It's not only that, the critical questions are never asked by the "reporter", or by the believers of themselves.
From the basic idea of "these craft have technology far beyond what we can comprehend to either travel countless light years or inter-dimensionally, but seem to crash regularly when they get here (this video implies he alone was involved in several), and always seemingly on US soil, without it happening in an area where an entire town or neighborhood can walk up with their cameras and take videos". Does that seem logical or likely?
These questions actually do get asked. ALL the time. These are the standard "skeptic 101" questions that everyone who doesn't really follow this topic asks. They've been asked multiple times on this very thread. If you start looking into the history of UFO/UAP sightings over the past century, you'll realize pretty quickly that:
  • They don't crash regularly. The number of UAP sightings that don't involve crashes far outweighs the number of UAP sightings that do.
  • Crashes have been reported in connection with nuclear sites/tests, lightning and bad weather, and rough terrain. All things that flying objects, unidentified or not, crash from.
  • Crashes have been reported in countries around the world. It is not a US only occurrence.
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Then the more provable questions any good reporter would ask this guy. Proof of involvement in whatever org he claims to have been in. Asking who his supervisors were that "confirmed" it was an alien ship, seeing if they would go on record or put an affidavit down anonymously? How did they confirm it? Did he think the octagon one was alien before he got out there, and that may have impacted his mental state? Is his coming forward now related to the fact that he started a company on arial phenomena and this might help get him publicity?
To the even more simple, where did this happen? Can we go out to that location? What made you think it was "other wordly" - as the pilot in the dark you would have had a limited view of it beneath you. If you've been involved in several of these, were they all just happening near where you were, do they fly you to where these happen? If not, are there other groups around the country? If so, that would imply dozens of recovered craft. If not, how are the sites secured in the hours it takes to get there? Can we talk to anyone involved in either of those processes? Why hasn't the government put you under some form of punishment for speaking? And a hundred other questions.
The quality of UFO/UAP journalism leaves a lot to be desired, true enough. From your list, the "what made you think it was "other worldly"" question actually does get asked pretty frequently, though. This is why the witness' credentials and credibility get a lot of scrutiny. Military pilots in particular are used to seeing and flying high performance aircraft. If a fighter pilot says he/she saw an object up close that is not another aircraft flying in ways that aircraft can't, then it's foolish to dismiss them out of hand. If my crazy BIL says the same thing, I'm not likely to give him the same deference.
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But in the end, this "report" was what they all are. Find one guy with a story, find a few people to say "he's trustworthy", take his story at face value and call it a day. The only thing provable from the entire piece was that a helicopter picked up an object. Not even one that flies, but the reporter continually calls it a UAP, and claims it's the clearest evidence of one ever! It wasn't a news story, it was an infomercial for UAPs.
HSAT, I didn't find the "egg" video very persuasive either. There's not enough context or information about how the video was obtained and edited.
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It's not only that, the critical questions are never asked by the "reporter", or by the believers of themselves.
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Then the more provable questions any good reporter would ask this guy. Proof of involvement in whatever org he claims to have been in. Asking who his supervisors were that "confirmed" it was an alien ship, seeing if they would go on record or put an affidavit down anonymously? How did they confirm it?

For all the accusations of "believers" just taking this stuff at face value, like we're a bunch rubes, it really is surprising sometimes how little skeptics like yourself actually listen to what is said/shown, or truly consider the context, and who it is who's vouching for people like Barber, Grusch, etc.

Do you really not think Coulthart & co didn't vet the hell out of Barber's story? Because not only did they show document after document proving Barber's bonafides, they then paraded in a group equally impressive colleagues who A) vouched for him, and B) have been proven highly decorated and beyond reproach themselves. How is that not good enough for you? Coming into something like this, I totally get being skeptical, but all things considered, I genuinely don't understand why you wouldn't take people of this caliber at their word, when they have everything to lose, and also when Barber has gone out of his way since to say that they're not looking for money or funding of any kind.

Otherwise, NewsNation isn't going to run a four-hour special showing Coulthart meticulously pouring over paperwork and checking off supervisor names. The assumption, as with most network news stories, is that the reporters have done their due diligence, especially when they're literally flashing the necessary documentation/paperwork all over the screen, multiple times, which I guess you somehow missed?

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From the basic idea of "these craft have technology far beyond what we can comprehend to either travel countless light years or inter-dimensionally, but seem to crash regularly when they get here (this video implies he alone was involved in several), and always seemingly on US soil, without it happening in an area where an entire town or neighborhood can walk up with their cameras and take videos". Does that seem logical or likely?

I'm sorry, but what you're saying here isn't remotely accurate. That and, echoing G Martin 87, we've been over this literally dozens of times in this thread. To reiterate/add to his bullet points…

- Credible reports/officials indicate that both Russia and China have crashed UAP as well. Whether that's true or not is obviously the bigger question, but the narrative - from Grusch, Elizondo, and many others - is that we're in a race with Russia and China to reverse engineer UAP tech. So your statement that "they're always seemingly on US soil" simply isn't true.

- Again, not all of the UAPs crash. If you had listened to what Barber said, he specifically noted that the egg he retrieved was "summoned" by the psionics team. A wild claim, no doubt, but it at least offers a potential alternative to aliens crashing all the time. Other credible reports have NHI simply leaving craft for us to discover, for whatever reasons, and that we've found craft buried in ancient dig sites as well.

- Otherwise, as G Martin 87 said, reported crashes are almost always in connection with nuclear missile/test sites, which obviously aren't going to be near neighborhoods or populated areas. In fact, you know what Roswell was known for in 1947, just before the infamous crash? It was the only nuclear site on the face of the earth at the time. It's where we kept our only nuclear arsenal, and was the stateside home of the 509th Bomb Group, which dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki just two years prior.

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To the even more simple, where did this happen? Can we go out to that location? What made you think it was "other wordly" - as the pilot in the dark you would have had a limited view of it beneath you. If you've been involved in several of these, were they all just happening near where you were, do they fly you to where these happen? If not, are there other groups around the country? If so, that would imply dozens of recovered craft. If not, how are the sites secured in the hours it takes to get there? Can we talk to anyone involved in either of those processes? Why hasn't the government put you under some form of punishment for speaking? And a hundred other questions.

Again… the vast majority of these questions were answered in the piece. Granted, they didn't state the exact location, for which I'm sure they had their reasons, but Barber literally said all of this happened on a classified test/training range. Hence it being off-limits to the public. Hence no need to "secure" the site. He also spoke to the fact that it was fairly easy to tell the man-made craft from the "otherworldly" ones, seeing as even the most classified/advanced man-made craft still looked human. In other words, even our most advanced secret craft didn't come close to looking like a seamless, rivet-less egg with no means of visible propulsion. He then had the egg confirmed as "otherworldly" by ranking members of the UAP task force, who were able to look into these sorts of things (this is what Grusch did with his clearances and who he worked for). That, and Barber then had connections within the program he was part of who confirmed the "psionic" aspects. Do we have to take his word on that end? Yes. But I don't doubt that Coulthart & co did their due diligence in that regard as well.
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Trump was just asked about the NJ drones and if he would disclose what it was to the American people.

He asked someone off to the side to find out what it was so he could disclose it "immediately".
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Trump was just asked about the NJ drones and if he would disclose what it was to the American people.

He asked someone off to the side to find out what it was so he could disclose it "immediately".
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