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Once again. I believe. Show me the aliens.

https://imgur.com/a/NXjWQaN
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For Redstone:

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TCTTS said:

Love this. Will check it out when I get the chance.
Made it back home and finished The Mountain in the Sea on the way. I enjoyed this so much. I think anyone interested in sentience, AI, NHI, and cephalopods will too. Also, if you enjoyed Arrival's subplot about understanding the alien heptapod language, you definitely need to check this out.
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Yes, important topic.

Also recommend dearly departed Michael Heiser (Protestant) and several Orthodox priests (UFO Deception by Fr. Bailey) - basically, primarily spiritual creations that can embody (elohims, or types of spirits, given that angel or messenger and satan or accuser are job descriptions).

I'm with Catholic apologist Jimmy Akin (Mysterious World podcast primarily here) : the above AND other creations on other worlds (probably).

Also of interest is the visions of Bl. Anne Catherine Emmerich (TAN Books or Angelico Press) -
For example, Adam and Eve were elohims in Paradise hurled into our space / time as a punishment for sin, the "first man" of the Apostolic promise of redemption but not at all the first hominid - 6,300 years ago now.
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Related, I believe it noteworthy, the multiple NDE experiences that resulted in significant conversions included parts where Jesus - after delivering a severe warning for repentance…

Agreed to answer any question. When asked about "aliens," He confirmed other creations on other worlds, some that accepted Him and some that didn't.

Of special interest is testimony and interviews of Howard Storm, now a retired pastor.
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Finished the book Encounters and am into American Cosmic. The 2 main sources have been outed as Garry Nolan of Stanford and bio-tech inventor and former NASA engineer Timothy Taylor.

Connector to Pasulka is Chris Bledsoe.

Taylor converted to Catholicism after a lifetime of experiences.
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No matter how you slice it, it's still crazy to me that something like this even exists, and is now an on-going thing happening in our government. No matter the nature of the briefing, or the phenomenon itself, when you take a step back it's just wild.
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TCTTS said:

No matter how you slice it, it's still crazy to me that something like this even exists, and is now an on-going thing happening in our government. No matter the nature of the briefing, or the phenomenon itself, when you take a step back it's just wild.
This is what I keep pointing out to the Joes of the world. Circumstances and context have changed dramatically since 2017.
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G Martin 87 said:

TCTTS said:

No matter how you slice it, it's still crazy to me that something like this even exists, and is now an on-going thing happening in our government. No matter the nature of the briefing, or the phenomenon itself, when you take a step back it's just wild.
This is what I keep pointing out to the Joes of the world. Circumstances and context have changed dramatically since 2017.


Thanks, I'll be waiting patiently, but my expectations will remain low until I see something that's unambiguous. If you guys are convinced it's coming then that's great. Based on the past 80 years or whatever I feel pretty confident though that by Dec 31, 2024 the battle cry will then be that 2025 will be the year. But we'll see.
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To me this seems like a legitimate question: Why are first-hand witnesses with anything useful and credible appearing in this new documentary instead of at the hearing a few months ago?
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Joes said:

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To me this seems like a legitimate question: Why are first-hand witnesses with anything useful and credible appearing in this new documentary instead of at the hearing a few months ago?
First-hand witness doesn't really mean much. I mean, any nut-job can be a "first-hand witness". Also, can be someone like Lacatski, who claims to have first-hand knowledge of the government held ufo's and has stated that he has no interest in testifying to congress.

My other eye-rolling term these days is "whistleblower". The term is being used way too casually. Wish they would just reserve it for those that have directly worked within the actual programs.
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I'd say it's far more likely in 2024 we get aliens than A&M making the playoffs.
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BenFiasco14 said:

I'd say it's far more likely in 2024 we get aliens than A&M making the playoffs.

There is a lot of chatter about papers being released this year showing proof of alien life on other planets via the James Webb. Although, feel like we have been here several times as well, only to revise (rightfully so), what markers constitute definitive proof of life.
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Joes said:

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To me this seems like a legitimate question: Why are first-hand witnesses with anything useful and credible appearing in this new documentary instead of at the hearing a few months ago?

This has been discussed numerous times here.

Grusch was the guinea pig, canary in the coal mine, etc. And that was by design. He essentially volunteered to go first, test the waters, and not only see how the public would react, but more importantly, how those in-the-know would react, to see if there would be intimidation, threats, reprisals, etc.

Also, Grusch submitted the testimony/paperwork of 40 OFFICIALS who either have knowledge of crash retrieval/reverse engineering programs, or were/are first-hand witnesses/employees of those programs. Many of whom physically sat down with the office of the ICIG, provided addition paperwork, context, etc. So, just because they didn't participate in the public hearing doesn't mean they didn't come forward/blow the whistle.

Finally, that was 2022/2023. This documentary doesn't come out until the second half of 2024. Grusch did his thing, paved the way, got the necessary reactions, and then I'd be willing to bet just about anything that Fox's first-hand witnesses come from the pool of 40 whom Grusch brought forward. Further, we saw how the Schumer bill was killed, and thus how advocates in the government were denied/fumbled the process on their end, so individuals are coming forward by other means. Hence the 2024 documentary, Lue Elizondo's 2024 book, and whatever else 2024 has in store.
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Mr President Elect said:

BenFiasco14 said:

I'd say it's far more likely in 2024 we get aliens than A&M making the playoffs.

There is a lot of chatter about papers being released this year showing proof of alien life on other planets via the James Webb. Although, feel like we have been here several times as well, only to revise (rightfully so), what markers constitute definitive proof of life.
I assume it centers around this finding...?

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66786611
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It may have detected a molecule called dimethyl sulphide (DMS). On Earth, at least, this is only produced by life.
The researchers stress that the detection on the planet 120 light years away is "not robust" and more data is needed to confirm its presence.
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TCTTS said:

Joes said:

TCTTS said:




To me this seems like a legitimate question: Why are first-hand witnesses with anything useful and credible appearing in this new documentary instead of at the hearing a few months ago?

This has been discussed numerous times here.

Grusch was the guinea pig, canary in the coal mine, etc. And that was by design. He essentially volunteered to go first, test the waters, and not only see how the public would react, but more importantly, how those in-the-know would react, to see if there would be intimidation, threats, reprisals, etc.

Also, Grusch submitted the testimony/paperwork of 40 OFFICIALS who either have knowledge of crash retrieval/reverse engineering programs, or were/are first-hand witnesses/employees of those programs. Many of whom physically sat down with the office of the ICIG, provided addition paperwork, context, etc. So, just because they didn't participate in the public hearing doesn't mean they didn't come forward/blow the whistle.

Finally, that was 2022/2023. This documentary doesn't come out until the second half of 2024. Grusch did his thing, paved the way, got the necessary reactions, and then I'd be willing to bet just about anything that Fox's first-hand witnesses come from the pool of 40 whom Grusch brought forward. Further, we saw how the Schumer bill was killed, and thus how advocates in the government were denied/fumbled the process on their end, so individuals are coming forward by other means. Hence the 2024 documentary, Lue Elizondo's 2024 book, and whatever else 2024 has in store.


Ok thank you, I appreciate that.
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Has anyone posted a list of the most credible people on this topic? I'm curious to dive into some interviews, but I'm not sure who is bogus and who is legitimate. Looking for both reputable believers and skeptics.

So far, the names I "know" are:

David Grusch (USAF intelligence officer)
Ross Coulthart (investigative journalist)
Luis Elizondo (ARMY counterintelligence officer and DOD intelligence officer)
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Just wanted to say...

I'm at Disney this week, today at Hollywood Studios and having lunch in the Sci fi diner - which is a 50s drive in theater theme. They ran an old news clip or something of a navy official talking about the increase in sightings of UFOs, and how they can't ignore it anymore.

Then Walt came on screen and talked about how these stories always start with a secret military program and the hero is some analyst or engineer that is getting to the bottom of things.

I laughed because of how familiar that all sounds.
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MW03 said:

Has anyone posted a list of the most credible people on this topic? I'm curious to dive into some interviews, but I'm not sure who is bogus and who is legitimate. Looking for both reputable believers and skeptics.

So far, the names I "know" are:

David Grusch (USAF intelligence officer)
Ross Coulthart (investigative journalist)
Luis Elizondo (ARMY counterintelligence officer and DOD intelligence officer)

Here are a few.

Credible:
Ryan Graves (one of the go-fast/ gimbal video witnesses, has the Merger podcast)
Fravor (tic-tac witness)
Christopher Mellon (not sure of role, but somewhat similar to Elizondo)
Gary Nolen (scientist that investigates materials and stuff)
Avi Loeb (not really a "ufo guy", founder of Galileo Project)
Michael Shellenberger (journalist, not a traditional ufo-guy)

Others (not non-credible, just take with a grain of salt):
Jeremy Corbell / George Knapp (journalist)
James Lacatski (physicist, previously worked with government, has some pretty crazy claims, also sells books though)
Richard Dolan ("ufologist")

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Speaking of the bottom of my list:

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Great list, though I wouldn't label Richard Dolan as "non-credible," if only because he doesn't really dabble in sensationalism or play the scoop game. He's actually one of my favorite voices in the field, comes across as incredibly measured/level-headed, seems highly reputable, is super knowledgeable, etc. Does he believe beyond a shadow of a doubt in a government-led NHI coverup? Sure. But that's merely a steadfast belief. Otherwise, he's not making crazy claims, nor do I think there's anything "non-credible" about him.
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redline248 said:

Just wanted to say...

I'm at Disney this week, today at Hollywood Studios and having lunch in the Sci fi diner - which is a 50s drive in theater theme. They ran an old news clip or something of a navy official talking about the increase in sightings of UFOs, and how they can't ignore it anymore.

Then Walt came on screen and talked about how these stories always start with a secret military program and the hero is some analyst or engineer that is getting to the bottom of things.

I laughed because of how familiar that all sounds.
Kind of reminds me of the John Greer interview with Knapp in the 80's or early 90's where he is sure disclosure is happening soon and they are prepping us for it, like through Spielberg and stuff.
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TCTTS said:

Great list, though I wouldn't label Richard Dolan as "non-credible," if only because he doesn't really dabble in sensationalism or play the scoop game. He's actually one of my favorite voices in the field, comes across as incredibly measured/level-headed, seems highly reputable, is super knowledgeable, etc. Does he believe beyond a shadow of a doubt in a government-led NHI coverup? Sure. But other than his insistence based on that personally held belief, I don't think there's anything "non-credible" about him.
I didn't label him as non-credible, only, "not" non-credible (I would actually put Ross in that second list as well but the op already had him in his list). I mostly agree with your assessment. He just brings a lot of claims to the table, not that he tries to to push them as facts, but just feel it can cloudy the conversation sometimes. Also, I kind of feel like he would be one of the biggest losers if disclosure did actually happen.
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Ha, my bad, I missed the "not."

Though, as for whether he'd be one of the "biggest losers" if disclosure actually happened, I have to disagree. I actually think he'd a be an incredibly valuable voice, with the context and history he could provide, while also being somewhat of a sobering voice, in that he's clearly a pessimist when it comes to our government, the surveillance state, etc. In other words, we would need voices on both ends of the spectrum, and I think his would certainly help level things out in that regard.
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Listening to Grusch on Rogan now. This is my first real exposure to him directly as opposed to articles reporting what he has to say. I picked Rogan because I like his interview style in that he just asks questions and pushes people on answers that don't make sense. First impression is that he does not sound like a quack, and I'm glad he doesn't look like a weirdo. I know that sounds off, but anyone doing a video pod with bizarre facial hair and style immediately gets slotted as not being "squared away."
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Here we go again…



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I really like this guys YouTube channel. He does a ton of strange topics, but goes at it with a very level head. I found this video to be very interesting on the topic. There's has been/is lots of disinformation out there.
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TCTTS said:

Here we go again…




This reminds me of a Joe Diffie song from the '90s. "...Swears a giant alien has landed at the mall. Welcome to Earth, third Rock from the Sun..."
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I really like this guys YouTube channel. He does a ton of strange topics, but goes out it with a very level head. I found this video to be very interesting on the topic. There's has been/is lots of disinformation out there.
WF is amazing. He's very good at what he does. There are SOOOO many amazing videos that he has put together.
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Have been watching him and Heckle for quite some time.
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But in that song it was explained … pretty sure the "giant alien" was the remnants of the Big Boy statue that gets hit lol … I love that song and entire album.

With respect to the Miami incident, it reminds me of the infamous story about US troops coming across a legit giant in the deserts of Afghanistan and the troops gunned it down. Then, as the story goes, the troops were told never to speak of it again and higher ups took over the site.

Relatedly, there's also the whole conspiracy that the world's interest in that region of the world doesn't have to do with oil but rather the tomb of Gilgamesh.
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
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