*** UAP THREAD ***

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TCTTS said:

Great points, and all very well said.

I don't mean this as an "I told you so" challenge, but I'm genuinely curious what the resident skeptics here think happened with the bill this week? Because basically the entire thing was just gutted, on the one-yard line. If passed, it may or may not have eventually lead to disclosure (unfortunately, it was almost assuredly never going to be *that* easy), but it was still utterly unprecedented in its goals and language, to the point where a group clearly wanted it dead and buried... and then got their wish. What else would motivate such a group to take such action, if they didn't feel threatened, and didn't have anything to hide? If there's no there there, why go to such trouble to obfuscate, block, and kill it? I'm legitimately asking, because, again, I'm genuinely curious what other reasons there could be, other than the blatantly obvious?


In my opinion, it's the simplest most obvious answer. The government and/or affiliated private businesses are testing high tech craft and objects. That's always been the most obvious answer to me. Just because some F-18 pilot doesn't recognize it doesn't mean anything, it's not like everyone in the military is in the loop. And no, I don't pretend to absolutely know this. But unless and until there's something disclosed that's really profound that's the most reasonable explanation. It's just the way government works (or doesn't work, to be more accurate). If after 60 years with everyone involved being dead we still can't have access to JFK files then this shouldn't be any surprise.
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You either reply to, or have some snarky quip about, half the things I post in this thread, and a significant chunk of what is posted in this thread in general. You're never not being a contrarian or mocking. And because I respond back to it, *I'm* the one who's exhausting? That's really the narrative you're going with? All I'm doing is giving you a taste of your own medicine, being as annoying to you as you are to me.
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I hear you, and I agree that they're absolutely testing advanced craft, some of which likely accounts for a number of sightings. But if those craft aren't recovered UAP, or aren't developed from UAP tech, then the defense contractors have nothing to worry about, re: the disclosure act. No one was ever going to confiscate or reveal their homegrown, black budget tech. Given that, why gut the bill? Basically, if they aren't doing anything wrong, why are they so worried about being caught?
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They want to keep the Russkies and the Chicoms in the dark about what we do or don't or might have.

Besides, if they don't have to disclose, why would they? It's obvious no one can make them.
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Honest question for the doubters here: we know your position so why do you keep returning to the thread?

Just don't understand the obsession with constantly trying to **** on all this. We get it. You're not being edgy or controversial by letting it be known.
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
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Anyway - I actually have something to contribute. Believe I shared a story here awhile back about a sighting my great uncle had near Tyler, Texas, in the 80s. Got the chance to ask him about it again over Thanksgiving, and he reiterated his story, the lights, lost time, all of it. My great aunt passed this year but she was in the car with him and witnessed it as well.

While we were discussing this story, another great uncle of mine, a super quiet guy, piped in and said he saw a UFO in the 1960s. He said he watched it for a good 30 mins or so floating in the sky he could see from his backyard in Austin. Nothing exciting happened really. He said it just sat there for what seemed like a long time and it switched between several colors until suddenly, he says, it "zipped off" and was gone.
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
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This.

To be clear - again - I genuinely value the debate here, especially when I actually learn something from it, become more informed, see other ways of looking at any given situation other than "It's aliens!" etc.

But man, there are a handful of people here due only to a constant need to let everyone know how dumb all of this is/how gullible we all are, and thus, how wise/above it all they are.

I've asked the same question a number of times - If so much of this is bullsh*t, why are you here, why do you keep coming back, and what are you getting out of it? Yet, not once have any of them ever actually given a straight answer. It's always either more snark, or they get super defensive (where they're allowed to give their opinions but God forbid I respond with mine), or the tired, "You think you own this place"/thread police nonsense.

I've said something along these lines I don't know how many times, but I would never in a million years visit threads I clearly have no real interest in, only to mock, laugh, and express my disagreement, for months if not years on end. It's just such bizarre behavior that I straight up don't understand.

Especially when we're talking about aliens.

We're not drafting laws or policy here and no one is saving/influencing lives. There's absolutely nothing at stake. It's all pure speculation, simply having fun wondering aloud "What if?" Yet, for some reason that really seems to bug certain people, the same ones who are endlessly compelled to let us know that we're speculating wrong, our conclusions are wrong, or we're wrong in our gullibility. And man is it exhausting, knowing that nearly every time something new is posted here, the usual suspects won't be far behind to tell us - for the millionth time - how/why it's dumb, how/why we're dumb, how terrible the government is, etc.

We know.

We get it.

Now please leave us alone.
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That's awesome. I feel like everyone has someone - if not multiple people - in their lives who have witnessed something they can't explain, with more and more people speaking up all the time (like your other great uncle). That said, your initial great uncle's story is certainly more rare, but also fits in line with experiences so many others have also claimed to have.
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Mr President Elect said:

Good news, it is now safe to fly again. Whew!






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I'm sorry, but I absolutely love this.
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TCTTS said:

You either reply to, or have some snarky quip about, half the things I post in this thread, and a significant chunk of what is posted in this thread in general. You're never not being a contrarian or mocking. And because I respond back to it, *I'm* the one who's exhausting? That's really the narrative you're going with? All I'm doing is giving you a taste of your own medicine, being as annoying to you as you are to me.


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I look forward to reading that
Redstone
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Grusch says he was read in to a retrieval program, and still going back and forth regarding the precision of his language.

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Sorry, was traveling this past weekend and wanted to respond.

Coulthart is knowledgeable about Congressional processes, so I may not be giving him enough credit for knowing how the plumbing works. But I think that he also shows too much unwarranted trust in government oversight over private interests. Zabel shares that bias as well. Given that government secrecy has allegedly been the primary barrier to disclosure for decades, it seems an odd, if not naive, position to take now with respect to the disclosure amendment.
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DC is dysfunctional in many ways, but one is that it takes very few people to block/table/divert a given initiative.
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Agristotle said:

DC is dysfunctional in many ways, but one is that it takes very few people to block/table/divert a given initiative.
And thank our Founding Fathers for making it so. That's a feature, not a bug.
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G Martin 87 said:

Agristotle said:

DC is dysfunctional in many ways, but one is that it takes very few people to block/table/divert a given initiative.
And thank our Founding Fathers for making it so. That's a feature, not a bug.
Our Founding Fathers based much of (if not most), of our government on ancient Sparta, hence the balance of powers between different branches, and the difficulty in changing laws.

The one thing our Founding Fathers missed adding that the Spartans did was to publicly put on trial EVERY person who held public office. Imagine if every politician was held accountable and went through an impeachment trial at the end of every term…
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G Martin 87 said:

Sorry, was traveling this past weekend and wanted to respond.

Coulthart is knowledgeable about Congressional processes, so I may not be giving him enough credit for knowing how the plumbing works. But I think that he also shows too much unwarranted trust in government oversight over private interests. Zabel shares that bias as well. Given that government secrecy has allegedly been the primary barrier to disclosure for decades, it seems an odd, if not naive, position to take now with respect to the disclosure amendment.

In 100% agreement. As I've said for a while now, the only way we're ever getting disclosure is through whistleblowers and leaks. The Disclosure Act was great in theory, and unprecedented in its aims, but there were ultimately still too many ways to circumvent it, should it have passed. On one hand, I get the disappointment, but some of these folks need to step back and see the forest for the trees.
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Mr President Elect
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Quote:

From now on we will not be able to take any debunks at face value given the number of people emotionally invested in trying to derail the case.


Ashton going to keep Ashton'ing
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I've been trying to keep track of this whole ordeal with cloud images, and I while I don't quite understand exactly what Ashton & claim they've discovered, it does at least - yet again - sound like something genuinely suspect is going on. The fact that the guy who "found" the images straight up says he was told where to look by some anonymous source who randomly reached out to him and then disappeared, is super suspect.
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I don't know what any of this means yet, but Ashton is losing his mind...


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In. Lol
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
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Who is Ashton and why is he treated like an expert? When I did a quick look around, /aliens on reddit is kind of split on whether or not he's full of sh-t

one guy said he's a healthcare IT worker
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Real or fake, his reactions are hilarious. It's just fun watching him have his mind blown in real time.
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The good thing about the guy - it's open source and crowd research. Respect for that. I still think pilot or co- malfeasance - but let's find out
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Seriously, is anyone else watching this?

Just absolutely fantastic "television."
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redline248 said:

Who is Ashton and why is he treated like an expert? When I did a quick look around, /aliens on reddit is kind of split on whether or not he's full of sh-t

one guy said he's a healthcare IT worker

He's just a random dude who became obsessed with these MH370 videos, to the point where he's made it his mission to get the bottom of their authenticity. He's pretty weird, and might very well be on the spectrum, but if so it works to his advantage because he's been relentless in his pursuit, doing insane amounts of research, leading a massive crowd sourcing effort, and appearing on all kinds of podcasts. Very polarizing dude, but at the very least he's not full of sh*t. Again, the whole thing might very well be bullsh*t, but he absolutely believes in what he's doing.
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"I have to send this to the Inspector General right now. I can't sit on it any longer."
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Honestly, on first impression, this does at least feel like it could be legit. The drone info, the randomness of a couple of those images... once again, this continues to be either the most elaborate hoax of all time, or there's actually something to it.
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Somehow, a livestream of a dude sitting at his desk is the best thriller I've seen all year.
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He is convinced the feds are going to best down his door
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