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That's what I'm saying....it most certainly is. Perhaps it's not standard numerically based data, but it is.Agristotle said:
Agree! Remote Viewing is not "data"
Even that is probably generated at Farsight. Chill, we will have to agree to disagree on this one. 'Tis life..
Phenomena that is hard to wrap the head around can be troublesome. But, it clearly exists.
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon
“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
Trust the data..guadalupeag said:TCTTS said:
No one is watching this Farsight stuff. And if they are, they aren't taking it seriously.
Plus, that Skeletor-looking dude is creepy as hell.
Why do you keep insisting on posting these?
Dude is either Redstone committed to his troll or so open minded to anything ET related that his brain has fallen out. Either way there's no way to win by engaging him.
Horses, here is water... 3rd Eye Spies documentary is your ticket.
Ever wonder how/who constructed the Great Pyramid? Now, you may not agree with the method used to collect the data. You may find the people involved.."odd". You may not totally understand the technique used to produce the data. Perhaps you believe they are lying. Erroneous data, incorrect data..etc etc. Here is the data collected via remote viewing with the target being The Great Pyramid.
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon
“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
The whole pyramid thing is a solution looking for a mystery. No serious archeologists consider them to be above human abilities. They're gradually figuring it out, including in recent years finding evidence of an ancient estuary off the Nile right up close to them. The quarries, cutting, and transport issues are basically known factors, the only real semi-remaining thing is the raising of the stones up inclines but even there there are plausible explanations. They found a 4500 year old ramp in 2018 at one of the quarries where they were pulling blocks up 20 degree slopes which is far more than would have been required at the pyramids.
Plus, it's not like the pyramids just appeared out of the sand without precedent, we have an obvious and constantly growing number of much older pyramid type structures from large mounds to step pyramids clearly showing a progression and learning and increasing in size.
When you have many thousands of people doing organized manual labor almost exclusively over decades you can do a lot, far more than we would ever bother with. Have you ever seen the full scope of Petra? I think that's more impressive actually.
And the whole idea of aliens teaching humans how to do stonework anyway just seems comical to me. A common ship's rigging would have been far more complicated, just not as labor intensive.
I've been inside the King's Chamber to Khufu's sarco****us inside the Great Pyramid, it's an incredible and (fairly difficult) experience, but there's nothing alien about it nor do any of the Egyptologists there feel the need to do any reaching of that sort.
The average blocks at the pyramids are about 2.5 tons each. The Unfinished Pylon, which I've walked on, is still partially interred at its quarry and is estimated to be over 1100 tons. There are many raised in place all over Egypt that are in the hundreds of tons.
Plus, it's not like the pyramids just appeared out of the sand without precedent, we have an obvious and constantly growing number of much older pyramid type structures from large mounds to step pyramids clearly showing a progression and learning and increasing in size.
When you have many thousands of people doing organized manual labor almost exclusively over decades you can do a lot, far more than we would ever bother with. Have you ever seen the full scope of Petra? I think that's more impressive actually.
And the whole idea of aliens teaching humans how to do stonework anyway just seems comical to me. A common ship's rigging would have been far more complicated, just not as labor intensive.
I've been inside the King's Chamber to Khufu's sarco****us inside the Great Pyramid, it's an incredible and (fairly difficult) experience, but there's nothing alien about it nor do any of the Egyptologists there feel the need to do any reaching of that sort.
The average blocks at the pyramids are about 2.5 tons each. The Unfinished Pylon, which I've walked on, is still partially interred at its quarry and is estimated to be over 1100 tons. There are many raised in place all over Egypt that are in the hundreds of tons.
Aztec1948 said:Trust the data..guadalupeag said:TCTTS said:
No one is watching this Farsight stuff. And if they are, they aren't taking it seriously.
Plus, that Skeletor-looking dude is creepy as hell.
Why do you keep insisting on posting these?
Dude is either Redstone committed to his troll or so open minded to anything ET related that his brain has fallen out. Either way there's no way to win by engaging him.
Horses, here is water... 3rd Eye Spies documentary is your ticket.
Ever wonder how/who constructed the Great Pyramid? Now, you may not agree with the method used to collect the data. You may find the people involved.."odd". You may not totally understand the technique used to produce the data. Perhaps you believe they are lying. Erroneous data, incorrect data..etc etc. Here is the data collected via remote viewing with the target being The Great Pyramid.
Where's James Randi when we need him.
"Sarco****us" is censored?????? What the hell, hahaha!
TCTTS said:
To be crystal clear, something along these lines is what I was waiting for, in terms of it being debunked. Whenever things like this have been debunked in the past, it's often due to some Googlable image element that someone IDs via reverse image search, everyone agrees it's a hoax, and that's that.
The difference here, however, is that this element apparently isn't Googlable, was apparently even in a zip file, and apparently originated from a physical CD from 1998. So the chances of this dude randomly happening to come across an exact match are pretty astronomical. Not impossible, of course, but it's not quite the same as how this usually goes down. Which potentially points to shenanigans of some sort, which makes me want to hit pause, just for a second, to see where this goes.
I'm gonna note how amazing it is that THIS is what you choose to be skeptical about…
I'm already "chilled" but drug induced hallucinations by people that have psychological issues is not "data" in the traditional use of the word. You're right, we disagree on that one.
But carry on......
But carry on......
I shall. Next month will be the anniversary of the tragedy of 9/11. Farsight Institute did an extensive project involving many of the key elements of that day. I suspect the opportunity to see that data will present itself.Agristotle said:
I'm already "chilled" but drug induced hallucinations by people that have psychological issues is not "data" in the traditional use of the word. You're right, we disagree on that one.
But carry on......
Just to clarify things:
- Qualitative data: When the data presented has words and descriptions, then we call it qualitative data. Although you can observe this data, it is subjective and harder to analyze data in research, especially for comparison. Example: Quality data represents everything describing taste, experience, texture, or an opinion that is considered quality data. This type of data is usually collected through focus groups, personal qualitative interviews, qualitative observation or using open-ended questions in surveys.
- Quantitative data: Any data expressed in numbers of numerical figures are called quantitative data. This type of data can be distinguished into categories, grouped, measured, calculated, or ranked. Example: questions such as age, rank, cost, length, weight, scores, etc. everything comes under this type of data. You can present such data in graphical format, charts, or apply statistical analysis methods to this data. The (Outcomes Measurement Systems) OMS questionnaires in surveys are a significant source of collecting numeric data.
- Categorical data: It is data presented in groups. However, an item included in the categorical data cannot belong to more than one group. Example: A person responding to a survey by telling his living style, marital status, smoking habit, or drinking habit comes under the categorical data. A chi-square test is a standard method used to analyze this data.
hang in there..
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon
“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
BQRyno said:TCTTS said:
To be crystal clear, something along these lines is what I was waiting for, in terms of it being debunked. Whenever things like this have been debunked in the past, it's often due to some Googlable image element that someone IDs via reverse image search, everyone agrees it's a hoax, and that's that.
The difference here, however, is that this element apparently isn't Googlable, was apparently even in a zip file, and apparently originated from a physical CD from 1998. So the chances of this dude randomly happening to come across an exact match are pretty astronomical. Not impossible, of course, but it's not quite the same as how this usually goes down. Which potentially points to shenanigans of some sort, which makes me want to hit pause, just for a second, to see where this goes.
I'm gonna note how amazing it is that THIS is what you choose to be skeptical about…
Just like I don't immediately jump to straight conclusions that "confirm" UAPs, I don't immediately jump straight to conclusions that debunk them either. Don't get me wrong, it's incredibly damning evidence, almost assuredly points to a hoax, and I basically already said as much. But it's objectively suspect how some random Redditor with no other posts randomly stumbled upon this random VFX asset from the '90s, without the use of Google Images, and it just so happens to be a damn near perfect match. I don't think that points to the video not being a hoax - again, my guess is the hoaxer is the guy who "discovered" the asset - but because there's still this weird, unaccounted for variable in that regard, I'm simply not going to close the door 100% on this whole thing quite yet. It's 99% there, no doubt, just not 100%.
Did you read the article I posted about the Malaysia flight video
There's been so much posted in here I must have missed it.
Re-posting
redline248 said:
OK, here is the article I mentioned
https://observers.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20230323-mh370-why-these-two-videos-don-t-show-what-happened-to-the-lost-plane
The first part talks about a Google satellite photo that was claimed to show the plane near some US base.
The 2nd part is about the thermal video, which was apparently 2 videos? The first non thermal one (available by clicking a link) is clearly fake. There is some interesting stuff about the thermal one.
1st is been around for a while and was never considered credible before.Quote:
In the initial posts, the titles of both videos refer to "Airliner and UFOs". No mention of flight MH370 is made in the captions of either video.
One "expert" says this:Quote:
He even found a version of the video shared on Vimeo in August 2014 by a UFO enthusiast group. The description under the video describes it as "what the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 may have looked like" made by a "video editing enthusiast".
2nd, one of the "experts" says it originally was claimed to be from a satellite that didn't launch until after the flight. Then it was altered to be claimed as drone footage. The drones are said to have a much lower altitude ceiling than the fight.Quote:
I downloaded a higher resolution copy of the first video, alleged satellite footage with some letters and numbers half-visible on the screen. I'm pretty sure the video maker wanted viewers to believe the satellite is NROL-33 based on what we can see on that clip. I checked the letters/numbers using 10-20x magnification and went through the footage frame-by-frame.
NROL-33 is a real military satellite, but it was launched on May 22, 2014 later than MH370 incident. So if the video maker wanted viewers to believe the footage is from NROL-33 satellite, it can't be true.
I can't find any satellite imagery that would match what we see in the first clip. I think no satellite can't take that kind of images of an airplane. Shortly: I'm fairly certain this video is not from any satellite like the original video claims.
Later copies [...] have edited the clip so that the "mystery coordinates" are not visible. I found only one copy where the "coordinates" can be seen. Later copies don't talk about satellite video but suggest it's drone footage. That's not plausible either: MQ1-Predator max altitude is 25,000 ft, much lower than the MH370 cruising altitude.
I assume the reddit thread covers some of these items?
Haha, proud I got a horse to water reference from you. So predicable. Honest question, in your own words; How does gravity work?
Anyone know what "space" really is? I guess this is older, but don't remember this coming out, or maybe I immediately dismissed it.
☀️In light of David Grusch's comments on agreements the US Government has with NHI, it's crucial to reexamine the statements made by Haim Eshed concerning the intergalactic federation. Haim Eshed's credibility stands strong.
— Dr.Disclosure89 (@Docneuroeo) August 18, 2023
Haim Eshed is an Israeli military figure and scientist… pic.twitter.com/aFYsp9WmYk
Gravity is a naturally occurring attraction between us and the earth. And like most natural attractions, it is magnified by the heavy presence of alcohol in one's blood.guadalupeag said:
Haha, proud I got a horse to water reference from you. So predicable. Honest question, in your own words; How does gravity work?
Have no idea? Does it exist? Watch the documentary yet? thirsty?guadalupeag said:
Haha, proud I got a horse to water reference from you. So predicable. Honest question, in your own words; How does gravity work?
3rd Eye Spies
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon
“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
These supposed videos of the Malaysia flight didn't even need "debunking" because we already have irrefutable proof that the plane didn't disappear into nothingness. Pieces of the plane literally exist and have been found and verified. So the video was debunked before it ever even came to light. It should have never been taken seriously by anyone. OF COURSE it was fake. It being fake was the only possibility. Like, the idea that that video just couldn't have been made by special effects is so laughable that I don't even know what to say anymore. The fact that otherwise rational people even left open a tiny window of possibility that those videos were real is very concerning to me.
The claim that the US government has signed "agreements" and "contracts" with a Galactic Federation that doesn't want to reveal itself is actually one of the nuttier claims out there. Who would enforce such a thing? Does this mean that the Galactic Federation uses a legal system similar to our own? What meaningful penalties are there for "breach of contract" by the Galactic Federation, for example? Would they even recognize the authority of a US court, civil or criminal? "Judgment for the plaintiff, the Galactic Federation owes us 100 quadrillion Galactic Credits."
I don't care how credible this guy used to be. 87 year old people often say stuff that is totally bonkers.
I don't care how credible this guy used to be. 87 year old people often say stuff that is totally bonkers.
Then again, what if he is correct? I know, I know...I've worn those shoes. It's difficult.G Martin 87 said:
The claim that the US government has signed "agreements" and "contracts" with a Galactic Federation that doesn't want to reveal itself is actually one of the nuttier claims out there. Who would enforce such a thing? Does this mean that the Galactic Federation uses a legal system similar to our own? What meaningful penalties are there for "breach of contract" by the Galactic Federation, for example? Would they even recognize the authority of a US court, civil or criminal? "Judgment for the plaintiff, the Galactic Federation owes us 100 quadrillion Galactic Credits."
I don't care how credible this guy used to be. 87 year old people often say stuff that is totally bonkers.
There is data suggesting/showing that there is indeed a group known by that name or something similar. We are actually part of it.
Yet another reason to keep a lid on et disclosure.
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon
“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
watty said:
These supposed videos of the Malaysia flight didn't even need "debunking" because we already have irrefutable proof that the plane didn't disappear into nothingness. Pieces of the plane literally exist and have been found and verified. So the video was debunked before it ever even came to light. It should have never been taken seriously by anyone. OF COURSE it was fake. It being fake was the only possibility. Like, the idea that that video just couldn't have been made by special effects is so laughable that I don't even know what to say anymore. The fact that otherwise rational people even left open a tiny window of possibility that those videos were real is very concerning to me.
You really need to relax. Like I've said a thousand times before, we were merely entertaining the idea. Entertaining being the key word. No one here was remotely saying, definitively, that MH370 was zapped to another dimension by alien orbs. Also, literally, the first sentence I typed about this entire ordeal was, "Obviously, it goes without saying that this is almost assuredly fake." Then we spent nearly every post since acknowledging the absurdities over and over and over again, in one way or another. Yes, certain arguments as to the authenticity of the videos were and still are extremely compelling. But again, it was nothing more than a conversation, and no one here was running around trying to prove or convince others that this was absolutely the real deal.
Seriously, what is it about some of you that you just can't stand the idea of people casually discussing this kind of stuff on an internet message board? When a number of us simply find it fun to pass around the metaphorical joint, ponder our existence, and think "what if"? That some of you get so worked up over our enthusiasm, and feel the need to constantly mock and disprove, is so incredibly bizarre to me.
That said, since we last discussed this topic, you still haven't provided this 100% "verified" proof you speak of - proof that hasn't been provided by suspect Malaysian authorities or shady Blaine Gibson. You conveniently disappeared when last challenged, never addressed my response, and now you're suddenly back here crowing again. Yes, MH370 almost assuredly crashed, and debris from it has almost assuredly been found. But nine years later, you can't deny the fact that there are all kinds of legit questions, concerns, and inconsistencies surrounding this incident, which is easily one of the greatest mysteries - if not the greatest mystery - of the 21st century.
I didn't realize you had "challenged" me.
So you're admitting that the video is fake, yet still wanting me to argue about it? No thanks.
It's fake, which we now all apparently agree on, and I'm not going to try to convince you that the debris is real. If you want to believe it's all a big conspiracy, go for it. It's a strange thing to latch onto, but I'm not stopping you.
So you're admitting that the video is fake, yet still wanting me to argue about it? No thanks.
It's fake, which we now all apparently agree on, and I'm not going to try to convince you that the debris is real. If you want to believe it's all a big conspiracy, go for it. It's a strange thing to latch onto, but I'm not stopping you.
Spyderman/mckelvey's curse/Charles hickson knows/watty smoking some of that good ****
Ghost of Bisbee said:
Spyderman/mckelvey's curse/Charles hickson knows/watty smoking some of that good ****
Watty:
Meanwhile, Spydy…
busted... ruwazimbabwe94 as well.. When I first got on TexAgs decades ago it was GigTheNation. Heck, I recall Hop (guy who does great work covering ag sports on the paysite) coming by my work place here on Agronomy Rd to shoot the you know what. Was wondering if I thought a A&M oriented website might work. We talked about this "young fella" named Billy Luicci who had just purchased David Walkers Maroon and White mailout. That was probably 1993 or so.Ghost of Bisbee said:
Spyderman/mckelvey's curse/Charles hickson knows/watty smoking some of that good ****
watch the documentary?
3rd Eye Spies
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon
“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
Can you share some of that ganja?
It's not. I'll try to stretch the effect to get an identical match. Until we'll get something more than just a pretty similar but far from near identical I'd wait for the confirmation. pic.twitter.com/0XKgwXA35q
— Flowwweb (@TheFlowwweb) August 20, 2023
Turns out all naturally occurring shockwaves create a positive match with the portal effect. pic.twitter.com/mzj262aBic
— Flowwweb (@TheFlowwweb) August 20, 2023
Turns out all thermal shockwaves follow a pretty similar pattern.
— King Milkfart (@King_Milkfart) August 20, 2023
Even on the stellar scale.
Oops lmao #MH370 #itsfuckingreal #ufotwitter pic.twitter.com/C1WpfzglF5
SOURCE: https://t.co/aQ7swNLhZm
— 💭 think tank (@528vibes) August 20, 2023
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15w06tq/mh_370_and_shockwvmov_doesnt_match
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15vtu9j/comment/jwxaafn
Man, if you only knew what I do at a local lab...Ghost of Bisbee said:
Can you share some of that ganja?
Were you able to watch that documentary? I'm curious if anybody watched it? In entirety..
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon
“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
Aztec1948 said:Man, if you only knew what I do at a local lab...Ghost of Bisbee said:
Can you share some of that ganja?
Were you able to watch that documentary? I'm curious if anybody watched it? In entirety..
I'll be the one to break it to you: No one is going to watch that "documentary."
At some point many will..sometimes the horses do get thirsty..BQRyno said:Aztec1948 said:Man, if you only knew what I do at a local lab...Ghost of Bisbee said:
Can you share some of that ganja?
Were you able to watch that documentary? I'm curious if anybody watched it? In entirety..
I'll be the one to break it to you: No one is going to watch that "documentary."
Trust the data.
Wanna know the straight skinny on the Covid origin?
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon
“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
Aztec1948 said:Man, if you only knew what I do at a local lab...Ghost of Bisbee said:
Can you share some of that ganja?
Were you able to watch that documentary? I'm curious if anybody watched it? In entirety..
I'll host a viewing party if you provide some of your lab grown stuff….
Edited to clarify watching the videos, not attempt remote viewing. Unless it's some really good ****…
It's not being grown. I'm just being a good soldier. I'm told it is a very good "product". It's been mentioned here on TA before.Rocagnante said:Aztec1948 said:Man, if you only knew what I do at a local lab...Ghost of Bisbee said:
Can you share some of that ganja?
Were you able to watch that documentary? I'm curious if anybody watched it? In entirety..
I'll host a viewing party if you provide some of your lab grown stuff….
Edited to clarify watching the videos, not attempt remote viewing. Unless it's some really good ****…
A degree in entomologiy can take you in soooo many directions lol.
I've read in numerous placed that many et somehow incorporate esp (consciusness) as part of their guidance systems. Remote viewing is probably a precursor to that. Give us several more million (billion?) years of development and we may do the same. We are a very creative bunch I've heard and probably better than most at back-engineering things.
Just to keep the post related to subject..
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon
“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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