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Also, am I the only one who, if real, sees this as a potential positive of sorts? It would mean there's at least the chance the passengers are still alive, and could eventually be returned to their loved ones. Who knows, maybe they haven't even aged.

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I've considered that, but then I have also considered that I might not ever get on a flight again.

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"See you in a few hours honey, so long as i dont get zapped to another dimension."

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I was just posting it as it seemed relevant, not that I thought it proved anything.

To your point though, my great aunt (now no longer with us) and uncle swear up and down they saw a UFO on a state highway near Tyler late one night in the 80s. They are/were both very prim and proper people with no interest in this stuff.

They say they were driving along the highway when suddenly it got extremely bright and my uncle, who was driving, saw a flying saucer down at road level in his rear view mirror. It kept a steady back distance for what he describes as a few minutes until time "froze" as he (and she, before her passing) would say. The "frozen time" was for everything except the saucer which he says then came over to the front of their now stopped vehicle.

Then, he says, he "blinked" and they were back on the two lane state highway driving under normal conditions. They both were silent for a few minutes until my aunt said "Did you just see…" and of course my uncle chimes in with "Yes, I did."

They wouldn't speak of this story unless specifically asked about it and they never wavered on what they saw. They didn't really speculate and didn't have a strong opinion on what it was, but they both saw and experienced the saucer, the white light, and the "frozen time".

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I think you should link here or tell everyone here about the night terror experiences you've had where you've met the other kind. You weren't bull****ting. Anyone denying ET existence doesn't understand how the two can go hand in hand. We aren't alone.

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Also, am I the only one who, if real, sees this as a potential positive of sorts? It would mean there's at least the chance the passengers are still alive, and could eventually be returned to their loved ones. Who knows, maybe they haven't even aged.

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I've considered that, but then I have also considered that I might not ever get on a flight again.

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"See you in a few hours honey, so long as i dont get zapped to another dimension."

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New fear unlocked!

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Obviously, it goes without saying that this is almost assuredly fake.

But if so, in the spirit of "entertainment," it's an incredible fake, and if anything, it's one of the crazier "what ifs" / Reddit rabbit holes to go down.

I recently watched the Netflix docu-series MH370: The Plane That Disappeared (which is incredibly well done, and doesn't at all dabble in the paranormal), and all I know is that no one really knows where the hell that plane went or how it went down.

A thread…

[Unverified] Dive into a perplexing video from March 2014 that explores the mysterious MH370 disappearance through thermal (drone) and satellite perspectives. Witness three unidentified objects forming an enigmatic spiral around the aircraft, seemingly generating a magnetic… pic.twitter.com/0DKadlupOL

— Seph (@Jehoseph) August 7, 2023

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I've been following this whole thing relatively closely the past few days and the consensus seems to be, rather convincingly, that this at least isn't CGI. The level of knowledge required to fake the satellite view (considering its location and readout at the bottom of the frame, along with a number of other details), and the minuscule level of detail required to fake the visuals of both the satellite and thermal angles, is almost too great. The hot/cold signatures, the physics of the orbs, the reflection of the surrounding clouds when the flash occurs, along with the way they're slightly disturbed - people have been analyzing it all to death, frame-by-frame for days, and it's all damn near perfect.

That of course doesn't automatically mean we're looking at MH370, but man, I've never seen reddit and the like stumped like this before, nor have I seen this amount of people slowly but surely become increasingly convinced by data/footage like this. It's almost always the opposite. This whole thing is really starting to blow up on social media too.

Who knows what the truth is, but the fact that this footage has yet to be concretely debunked (and people are trying like crazy) certainly has my interest piqued...

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Again, where was this video reported to have come from? The beginning of it is right through the jet wash of the plane. I dont get where they are saying this was supposed to be from and how that isn't the easiest way to debunk it

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There has been an incredible amount of effort into debunking this on Reddit. They have taken the approach that it's a hoax and trying to poke holes in it. The amount of technical debunking work that has gone into this is mind boggling. It's either the best hoax ever produced, or it's the real deal. That's pretty much the consensus at this point.

Edit - It's the supposed MH370 Malaysian Air 777-200ER that disappeared in 2014. Read into the threads if you want the full backstory on r/UFOs on Reddit.

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It really is one of the deepest debunking dives I've ever seen, insanely so, and yeah, people are coming away more and more convinced it's the real deal.

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After reading hours of Reddit deep dives, I'm convinced this **** is real. God damn. Terrifying

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Been hiding in plain site for decades:








Oddly, this series of videos was produced/release by the Dept Of Defense.....gotta ponder that one..

AFFIDAVIT (1) My name is Thomas Jefferson Dubose (2) My address is: XXXXXXXXXX (3) I retired from the U.S. Air force in 1959 with the rank of Brigadier General. (4) In July 1947, I was stationed at Fort Worth Army Air Field [later Carswell Air Force Base] in Fort Worth, Texas. I served as Chief of Staff to Major General Roger Ramey, Commander, Eighth Air Force. I had the rank of Colonel. (5) In early July, I received a phone call from Maj. Gen. Clements McMullen, Deputy Commander, Strategic Air Command. He asked what we knew about the object which had been recovered outside Roswell, New Mexico, as reported in the press. I called Col. William Blanchard, Commander of the Roswell Army Air Field, and directed him to send the material in a sealed container to me at Fort Worth. I so informed Maj. Gen. McMullen. (6) After the plane from Roswell arrived with the material, I asked the Base Commander, Col. Al Clark, to take possession of the material and to personally transport it in a B-26 to Maj. Gen. McMullen in Washington, D.C. I notified Maj. Gen. McMullen, and he told me he would send the material by personal courier on his plane to Benjamin Chidlaw, Commanding General of the Air Material Command at Wright Field [later Wright Patterson AFB]. The entire operation was conducted under the strictest secrecy. (7) The material shown in the photographs taken in Maj. Gen. Ramey's office was a weather balloon. The weather balloon explanation for the material was a cover story to divert the attention of the press. (8) I have not been paid or given anything of value to make this statement, which is the truth to the best of my recollection. Signed: T. J. Dubose Date: 9/16/91 Signature witnessed by: Linda R. Split Notary Public, State of Florida.

Seance?

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I watched the video and the language in it was pure clickbait so it was very hard to take it seriously. It was made by someone who clearly assumes that there is a greater chance of this being real vs it being a hoax. I will concede your point about the orbs and the govt as I made that post prior to watching the video. I asked a couple similar questions as ben about the video i believe after it was initially posted and I watched it the first time although I did not notice the jet wash and did not realize the angle it was taken from and mistakenly assumed it was taken from a ship.

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You would assume this was on a boat. FWIW, I think you were asking similar questions.

I'll wait for other people to continue to technically analyze that video, but there are well over 40 million commercial flights per year, maybe 120,000 per day. Then you add in the remaining countless flights of military and private aircraft and it's a staggering amount airborne at any given time.

Assuming this plane got zapped out of the air by orbs that means it's happened exactly once in the last 10 years out of literally half a billion commercial flights alone within that time span. First of all, that means no one should have a fear of flying because of this because of those odds and secondly it would be astonishing to me that we'd have multiple clear views of this particular flight during the few-seconds long event window and that it's leaking now.

What is the explanation for the drone to be where it was and just happened to be following a plane? Had they picked up the orbs and sent it out to see what they were?

This YT channel has quite a few videos involving the reality.

TCTTS said:

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Also, am I the only one who, if real, sees this as a potential positive of sorts? It would mean there's at least the chance the passengers are still alive, and could eventually be returned to their loved ones. Who knows, maybe they haven't even aged.

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Or… it could be like "Demolition Man"

Here is another doozy from the Brazilian government:

https://www.camara.leg.br/proposicoesWeb/prop_mostrarintegra?codteor=1758889

Gist of the documents is that after 25 years, the Brazilian government has to declassify certain documents unless there is a good reason why they shouldn't. I asked ChatGPT to give me a summary of what is basically a FOIA request that was written in Portuguese:

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The document is a formal request (referred to as "Requerimento") addressed to the Minister of State for Defense in Brazil. It's from a member of the Brazilian Chamber of Deputies, Mr. Chico Alencar. The request seeks information related to documentation containing evidential, operational, functional, or personal information generated by military or civilian personnel and held by the Brazilian Army. Specifically, the request is about documents originating and classified between the years 1996 and 1997, and any subsequent years that are related.

The main focus of the request is to obtain information from the Army's custody, particularly from the Eastern Military Command and its subordinate instances, specifically the 43rd Military Region/43rd Military Division, where the Military Organization "Escola de Sargento das Armas" (Sergeant School of Arms) is subordinate.

The request further specifies that the information to be provided includes documents classified according to the legislation in force at the time, as well as any reclassified documents or those with extended secrecy periods, until the enactment of the current Access to Information Law (LAI - Lei 12.527/2011).

The justification for this request is based on previous requests for information regarding unidentified flying objects (UFOs) and their occupants, commonly known as ufology. The document highlights that despite efforts by the Brazilian Air Force to provide information about UFO-related incidents, there are still unresolved questions, especially regarding the Brazilian Army's handling of such information.

The document also points out the lack of transparency and public access to information, particularly regarding a specific case known as the "Caso Varginha" or "ET de Varginha" case, which involved alleged encounters with UFOs and extraterrestrial beings in the city of Varginha in 1996. The author raises concerns about the handling of classified information and the failure to publish a list of classified documents as required by the Access to Information Law.

The document argues that the lack of public information about such incidents leads to prejudice, ridicule, and doubts among witnesses and relatives of those involved. It emphasizes the importance of adhering to principles of transparency and public disclosure of official acts, as mandated by the Brazilian Constitution.

In summary, the document is a formal request from a member of the Brazilian Chamber of Deputies, seeking information related to classified documents, specifically focusing on incidents involving unidentified flying objects and their occupants, and raising concerns about transparency and access to information within the Brazilian military.

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Here are the specific documents that they want declassified found in "Annex 2"

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Operation of transfer of unidentified biological entity

• Order No. 001 - 23/01/1996
• Origin: ESA - Escola de Sargento das Armas (Sergeant School of Arms)
• Destination: RMWDE-43 (43rd Military Region/43rd Military Division)
• Transfer of unidentified biological entity from ESA to Campinas
• Archive: 4th Military Division
• Date: 23/01/1996 to 15/12/2017

Minutes of the 563rd Meeting of the High Command of the Army

• Date: 08/03/1996
• Origin: Comando do Exrcito (Army Command) - Braslia/DF
• Presentation of plans and guidance for transporting UFO to the USA
• Archive: Centro de Inteligncia do Exrcito (Army Intelligence Center) - Braslia/DF
• Date: 08/03/1996 to 08/03/2018

[/ol]Note:

• Information generated after the years 1996 and 1997 that is related to the subject described in the "JUSTIFICATION" of this request should be included in this list.

The text appears to outline specific instances involving classified information, including details such as order numbers, dates, origins, destinations, and descriptions of the documents. The text is part of a larger document that discusses the handling of classified information, particularly related to unidentified flying objects (UFOs) and incidents involving them.

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So if the Varginha incident is Brazil is a hoax, why the need to reclassify them for another 25 years?!

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Here is another doozy from the Brazilian government:

https://www.camara.leg.br/proposicoesWeb/prop_mostrarintegra?codteor=1758889

Gist of the documents is that after 25 years, the Brazilian government has to declassify certain documents unless there is a good reason why they shouldn't. I asked ChatGPT to give me a summary of what is basically a FOIA request that was written in Portuguese:

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The document is a formal request (referred to as "Requerimento") addressed to the Minister of State for Defense in Brazil. It's from a member of the Brazilian Chamber of Deputies, Mr. Chico Alencar. The request seeks information related to documentation containing evidential, operational, functional, or personal information generated by military or civilian personnel and held by the Brazilian Army. Specifically, the request is about documents originating and classified between the years 1996 and 1997, and any subsequent years that are related.

The main focus of the request is to obtain information from the Army's custody, particularly from the Eastern Military Command and its subordinate instances, specifically the 43rd Military Region/43rd Military Division, where the Military Organization "Escola de Sargento das Armas" (Sergeant School of Arms) is subordinate.

The request further specifies that the information to be provided includes documents classified according to the legislation in force at the time, as well as any reclassified documents or those with extended secrecy periods, until the enactment of the current Access to Information Law (LAI - Lei 12.527/2011).

The justification for this request is based on previous requests for information regarding unidentified flying objects (UFOs) and their occupants, commonly known as ufology. The document highlights that despite efforts by the Brazilian Air Force to provide information about UFO-related incidents, there are still unresolved questions, especially regarding the Brazilian Army's handling of such information.

The document also points out the lack of transparency and public access to information, particularly regarding a specific case known as the "Caso Varginha" or "ET de Varginha" case, which involved alleged encounters with UFOs and extraterrestrial beings in the city of Varginha in 1996. The author raises concerns about the handling of classified information and the failure to publish a list of classified documents as required by the Access to Information Law.

The document argues that the lack of public information about such incidents leads to prejudice, ridicule, and doubts among witnesses and relatives of those involved. It emphasizes the importance of adhering to principles of transparency and public disclosure of official acts, as mandated by the Brazilian Constitution.

In summary, the document is a formal request from a member of the Brazilian Chamber of Deputies, seeking information related to classified documents, specifically focusing on incidents involving unidentified flying objects and their occupants, and raising concerns about transparency and access to information within the Brazilian military.

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Here are the specific documents that they want declassified found in "Annex 2"

Quote:

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Operation of transfer of unidentified biological entity

• Order No. 001 - 23/01/1996
• Origin: ESA - Escola de Sargento das Armas (Sergeant School of Arms)
• Destination: RMWDE-43 (43rd Military Region/43rd Military Division)
• Transfer of unidentified biological entity from ESA to Campinas
• Archive: 4th Military Division
• Date: 23/01/1996 to 15/12/2017

Minutes of the 563rd Meeting of the High Command of the Army

• Date: 08/03/1996
• Origin: Comando do Exrcito (Army Command) - Braslia/DF
• Presentation of plans and guidance for transporting UFO to the USA
• Archive: Centro de Inteligncia do Exrcito (Army Intelligence Center) - Braslia/DF
• Date: 08/03/1996 to 08/03/2018

[/ol]Note:

• Information generated after the years 1996 and 1997 that is related to the subject described in the "JUSTIFICATION" of this request should be included in this list.

The text appears to outline specific instances involving classified information, including details such as order numbers, dates, origins, destinations, and descriptions of the documents. The text is part of a larger document that discusses the handling of classified information, particularly related to unidentified flying objects (UFOs) and incidents involving them.

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So if the Varginha incident is Brazil is a hoax, why the need to reclassify them for another 25 years?!

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Absolutely. It's super encouraging to see threads such as this popping up here on TA with the adult convo being a healty plus.

If you haven't seen the documentary on the Varginha incident..I highly recommend viewing it:

I knew this reminded me of something, one of my all-time favorite movies... Contact.

If fake, the level of absurd, almost unobtainable detail being discovered continues to amaze me...

https://t.co/6JRP4imbTO

— David Grusch enjoyer. (@land_ufo52310) August 16, 2023

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I think we will be just fine. World views will change..so what. That's why is good to get out in front of this and discuss.

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I think we will be just fine. World views will change..so what. That's why is good to get out in front of this and discuss.

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What exactly is your expectation for how all this resolves? Are we to assume that if the aliens are officially outed that they'll just decide to openly interact with us at that point or will they remain hidden as they are and effectively nothing will be any different? I don't even know what people want from this. It seems like people are so focused on proving that it's true that I don't think any thought has been put into "Ok, now what?"

I see so many people talking about all the stuff we can learn from them, do you guys see any indication they have any interest in teaching us anything? Hell, our technology is practically out of control now. And what's weird is even with videos and discussions about the MH370 videos or the Peru "attacks" I still see people there commenting on how much they want this to all be true. Why would they want hostile aliens?!?!?!

Dude, everyone knows that aliens aren't real, just science fiction.

The people posting on this thread are joking and trolling…

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Dude, everyone knows that aliens aren't real, just science fiction.

The people posting on this thread are joking and trolling…

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Maybe they are joking. I can't know what's in someone else's head, but it sure seems like many here and elsewhere are very serious about it being real.

Of course I believe it is real.

Here's how a doubter could, at a minimum, know the material plane is not all that exists:
We have thousands of documented cases, from hospitals and hospices, of patients being clinically dead, and then "returning." What do they describe? Objects on the roof, conversations, and much else….follow the science!

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What exactly is your expectation for how all this resolves? Are we to assume that if the aliens are officially outed that they'll just decide to openly interact with us at that point or will they remain hidden as they are and effectively nothing will be any different? I don't even know what people want from this. It seems like people are so focused on proving that it's true that I don't think any thought has been put into "Ok, now what?"

I see so many people talking about all the stuff we can learn from them, do you guys see any indication they have any interest in teaching us anything? Hell, our technology is practically out of control now. And what's weird is even with videos and discussions about the MH370 videos or the Peru "attacks" I still see people there commenting on how much they want this to all be true. Why would they want hostile aliens?!?!?!

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Man, tough call here. So much we are not privy to...it's like betting on a game without knowing the players involved.

It was videos such as this, that initiated my dive down the rabbit hole 6-7 yrs ago...had to attack it. Personally, it had implications. Perhaps for everyone.

I'm assuming first-hand witnesses will come forward before Fox's new doc is released (which likely won't be until sometime next year), but this is still pretty cool regardless…

James Fox confirms that he interviewed FIRST-HAND witnesses: pic.twitter.com/bX8RsDhQSP

— Dr.Disclosure89 (@Docneuroeo) August 16, 2023

To clarify, first-hand witnesses to the crash retrieval/reverse engineering programs.

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To clarify, first-hand witnesses to the crash retrieval/reverse engineering programs.

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Randle Nickerson (Both he and his sister were abductees) has put together a fantastic documentary as well. This one involved the elementary aged children in Ruwa, Zimbabwe. Highly recommend this one as well. Those children did not have an agenda. Many hearts and minds would look at things very differently upon watching it IMO.

I do admit, this is one I've been meaning to watch.

The Phenomenon ends with the African sightings. The children were consistent.

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The Phenomenon ends with the African sightings. The children were consistent.

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Yes indeed. That was probably the most impactful part of that film. And as adults now....the same stories.

Spyderman linking ET articles on ebaumsworld on the GB. That's a throwback