Redstone said:
Someone go ahead and deny that objects have defied the known laws of gravity. On film. Multiple times. With military testimonies.
That's the point of the thread. Something is going on.
OMG, I'm not sure I fully realized that government officials have confirmed videos!TCTTS said:Redstone said:
Someone go ahead and deny that objects have defied the known laws of gravity. On film. Multiple times. With military testimonies.
That's the point of the thread. Something is going on.
Bingo.
On film, radar, and satellite. This has been confirmed by multiple government officials, across multiple government sectors, across both political parties. In fact, this is the *one* subject that our elected leaders actually seem to agree on.
We know that UAPs are real, just like UFOs are/were always real. the key word in each is "unidentified". All both of those terms mean is "we saw something in the air that we don't recognize." There's nothing else implied. Hell, I saw the bushes move behind my house the other day, that was a legitimate UWO, "Unidentified Walking Object." Which sounds really impressive and mysterious, but it was almost certainly a dog or a cat.Rocagnante said:
I'm talking about the objects our Navy pilots purportedly see on a regular basis. If true, then they could probably shoot our planes out of the sky at will if they turn hostile.
Either they're lying or UAPs are real objects. At this point I'm still leaning towards lying until better visual evidence is presented and confirmed and more people still acting in official government/contractor capacities come forward.
I appreciate your response, honestly I do, and I have no desire to fight with anyone, and if I saw any evidence that seemed compelling to me I would definitely be unbelievably interested and excited too. So I certainly have no predisposition to want, or not want, there to be anything to this. But I admit I am just genuinely baffled at people still taking this seriously decade after decade without one good picture. But I'll watch along and see what happens.TCTTS said:Joes said:What? There are approximately 10 billion hours' worth of unmistakable examples of this in high definition without any ambiguity at all because they're actually real. The dudes in Las Vegas recently said that 10 foot aliens landed in their backyard, not hundreds of miles away. Fine, let's see them.TCTTS said:howitzercannon said:
The absolute best evidence that anyone can find or produce is blurry pictures. Do you know why? Because as soon as we get clearer pictures, we know what it is and isn't a story. So we never keep track of all the times a blurry picture we thought was an alien space craft but once clarity hit it wasn't worth keeping record of.
When there are phones and cameras and satellites covering the entire globe with competing governments that don't like each other, and none of them are saying one thing or another for UFOs….come on.
We get the random 1 time shot of meteors hitting on dash cams in russia, police body cams capturing cool aerial phenomena. And we can't get a single clean pic of a UAP? Is it because once identified 10 out of 10 times we know what it is?
So we all sit around and go, "hey! What's that? I don't know, must be aliens." And move one with our day without any further thoughts it seems.
Eh, you're conveniently limiting evidence to only photos and videos, when circumstantial evidence is admissible in court. And on that front, there is a mountain of it when it comes to witness testimony from highly credible sources, to the point where we have to face one of three realities...
1) Some of the most credible officials and pilots in our government are being duped by one of the most complex psyops in all of human history, lasting decades, one that involves man-made technology generations ahead of where we are publicly.
2) Some of the most credible officials and pilots in our government are suffering from mass psychosis, a form of mass psychosis that somehow has the ability to either directly affect satellite and radar data, or at least our perception of satellite and radar data.
- or -
3) The phenomenon is real, i.e. we're dealing non-human intelligence, either extra-terrestrial, ultra-terrestrial, or inter-dimensional in nature (if not all three).
Either way, it's one of the biggest stories in human history.
Personally, at this point, frankly, I chalk up reactions like this as nothing more than the death rattle of skepticism. I get that this is going to be hard for a number of people to swallow, and I get the gut reaction to dismiss it outright. But if you truly look into what's happening right now, and truly consider who is saying and confirming what, there is absolutely no denying that this is an incredibly massive story, one that I personally believe is the third option above, based on myriad circumstantial and corroborating evidence.
As for the whole photo/video thing, when was the last time you captured on your phone a car wreck happening in real time? And even if you did, these "car wrecks" are thousands of feet away, if not hundreds of miles and away. So of course the footage is going to be blurry.
That said, there are dozens of credible videos out there, like the below, that are far more than just blurry dots in the sky...I'm very intrigued by this video and would be interested to know more about who filmed it, when and where.
— Project Unity (@TheProjectUnity) July 10, 2023
This doesn't have the hallmarks of CGI, at first glance it does appear to be legitimate footage of a Black Triangle craft pic.twitter.com/GbDHFpxElx"It's called the Kumburgaz video, which is a close-up of a craft, so close that you can see the occupants. It is 100% real, and I was there as it was filmed." —Roger Leir
— Dr. ZW (@ZombyWoof2022) July 10, 2023
"This is 100% genuine footage" —Jacques Valléehttps://t.co/znzx1DCc8l#UFOs #ufotwitter #UAPTwitter 👽🛸 pic.twitter.com/Kn6IJJu04V
Forget the videos. I only showed the two I did in order to present examples that were more than just blurry dots in the sky. Are they authentic? I have no idea, and it's ultimately beside the larger point.
Also, no one believes the Las Vegas aliens-in-the-backyard thing. That crap was clearly a hoax. To keep bringing it up as if it's some kind of gotcha is disingenuous.
Again, focus on the incredibly compelling circumstantial evidence that has been outlined in this thread.
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Real whistleblowers end up like Snowden in exile or prison, but for some reason whistleblowers with world-altering "biggest story in human history by far" alien or interdimensional-being claims (because that's what he says) end up getting permission from the government to go on TV and talk about it without risk.
What exactly does this mean? I hear it all the time and it sounds like absolute nonsense. It just sounds more mysterious than "it appears to be more advanced our known technology." That, I can believe.Redstone said:
Someone go ahead and deny that objects have defied the known laws of gravity. On film. Multiple times. With military testimonies.
That's the point of the thread. Something is going on.
Alright, then I'll patiently wait for the big reveal.TCTTS said:Quote:
Real whistleblowers end up like Snowden in exile or prison, but for some reason whistleblowers with world-altering "biggest story in human history by far" alien or interdimensional-being claims (because that's what he says) end up getting permission from the government to go on TV and talk about it without risk.
This right here tells me you haven't been really been paying attention. And that's fine. No one is saying you have to.
It's when you start going on and on about this stuff, in the manner you are, when you're going to get pushback.
Because if you've been reading this thread at all, or paying attention to the news, you'd know that the Senate Intelligence Committee literally just passed - for 2023 - the Whistleblower Protection Act. Meaning, they've been hearing so much compelling testimony from officials, pilots, etc, that they finally passed an unprecedented law granting full immunity to anyone involved with potential UAP programs - dealing with crash retrievals, reverse engineering, and the like - who comes forward and testifies as to the existence of these programs. This went into effect this past January, and multiple Senators, along with other government officials, are now on the record as saying this act led *directly* to multiple individuals - with first hand knowledge of/experience with these UAP programs - coming forward and presenting not only evidence, but proof of their claims.
To the point where the Intelligence Community Inspector General has labeled the claims "urgent and credible."
This is something that is *actually* happening.
And now that these whistleblowers are coming forward, the Senate Intelligence Committee is passing yet another law - for 2024 - requiring these UAP programs to come forward with everything they have/know.
In other words, what the whistleblowers have come forward with is of *such* credibility, and *so* compelling to the Senate Intelligence Committee, that they're making it law that all of this finally come out of the shadows.
I'm sorry, but there is absolutely NO WAY any of this would be happening based simply on hunches and larks.
And again, this is all here in this thread.
Joes said:What exactly does this mean? I hear it all the time and it sounds like absolute nonsense. It just sounds more mysterious than "it appears to be more advanced our known technology." That, I can believe.Redstone said:
Someone go ahead and deny that objects have defied the known laws of gravity. On film. Multiple times. With military testimonies.
That's the point of the thread. Something is going on.
Haven't people ever heard of "Any Sufficiently Advanced Technology is Indistinguishable from Magic"?
Even if they're genuine alien craft then they're still not defying physical laws any more than a helicopter hovering in the air or a 100,000 ton metal ship floating in water would appear to not make any sense to a caveman.
Ok, I genuinely appreciate your responses.TCTTS said:Joes said:What exactly does this mean? I hear it all the time and it sounds like absolute nonsense. It just sounds more mysterious than "it appears to be more advanced our known technology." That, I can believe.Redstone said:
Someone go ahead and deny that objects have defied the known laws of gravity. On film. Multiple times. With military testimonies.
That's the point of the thread. Something is going on.
Haven't people ever heard of "Any Sufficiently Advanced Technology is Indistinguishable from Magic"?
Even if they're genuine alien craft then they're still not defying physical laws any more than a helicopter hovering in the air or a 100,000 ton metal ship floating in water would appear to not make any sense to a caveman.
Notice how he said "known" laws of physics. For instance, our current laws of physics simply do not allow for an object to move from 80,000 feet to just above the surface of the ocean, in less than a second, and stop on a dime while doing so. Yet in the now-infamous 2004 Nimitz encounter, this is exactly what multiple Top Gun pilots claim happened, and what the radar technicians on the nearby aircraft carrier attest to while witnessing the movements of a white "tic tac" shaped object the size of a buss, with no visible means of propulsion, that their aircraft interacted with. For all intents and purposes, that was an "impossible" maneuver. Yet military pilot after military pilot have officially come forward with stories just like this, sometimes backed up with evidence, where in unidentified craft are pulling maneuvers that no man-made craft are capable of pulling.
Out of respect I went back and read the whole thread and admittedly I didn't gain anything from it except more questions. Again, I don't see any harm in having enthusiasm about this stuff or wanting things in life to be more interesting, hell I've always loved science fiction and fantasy stories, and it's fun to speculate. But there is simply nothing of any consequence to support any of these claims in my opinion. And the more people there are on the planet with more available technology than ever it all seems even less credible as time goes by. For the same reason that people don't claim to see mermaids anymore. Those posted videos clearly exist, and I'm convinced that they're a combination of fakes, glitches, and high-tech human equipment.TCTTS said:Quote:
Real whistleblowers end up like Snowden in exile or prison, but for some reason whistleblowers with world-altering "biggest story in human history by far" alien or interdimensional-being claims (because that's what he says) end up getting permission from the government to go on TV and talk about it without risk.
This right here tells me you haven't been really been paying attention. And that's fine. No one is saying you have to.
It's when you start going on and on about this stuff, in the manner you are, when you're going to get pushback.
Because if you've been reading this thread at all, or paying attention to the news, you'd know that the Senate Intelligence Committee literally just passed - for 2023 - the Whistleblower Protection Act. Meaning, they've been hearing so much compelling testimony from officials, pilots, etc, that they finally passed an unprecedented law granting full immunity to anyone involved with potential UAP programs - dealing with crash retrievals, reverse engineering, and the like - who comes forward and testifies as to the existence of these programs. This went into effect this past January, and multiple Senators, along with other government officials, are now on the record as saying this act led *directly* to multiple individuals - with first hand knowledge of/experience with these UAP programs - coming forward and presenting not only evidence, but proof of their claims.
To the point where the Intelligence Community Inspector General has labeled the claims "urgent and credible."
This is something that is *actually* happening.
And now that these whistleblowers are coming forward, the Senate Intelligence Committee is passing yet another law - for 2024 - requiring these UAP programs to come forward with everything they have/know.
In other words, what the whistleblowers have come forward with is of *such* credibility, and *so* compelling to the Senate Intelligence Committee, that they're making it law that all of this finally come out of the shadows.
I'm sorry, but there is absolutely NO WAY any of this would be happening based simply on hunches and larks.
And again, this is all here in this thread.
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My scenario:
The Spooks pull the senators/congressmen aside and tell them the fate of the nation is at stake, that absolute secrecy is essential because we are in a race with the Chinese to reverse engineer the tech.
The key whistle blowers are bought/threatened/blackmailed or worse into altering/withdrawing their testimonies.
All the relevant military/industrial types point the finger at someone else and lawyer up.......
........and it all stays buried.
I sincerely hope you are right and I am wrong.
I really appreciate your time and I look forward to seeing how things play out.TCTTS said:
I'm genuinely glad to see you digging in to this stuff.
Rest assured, the evidence/proof being brought forward by the whistleblowers is reportedly far more than just fuzzy videos. By all accounts, it's documented proof of the existence of these UAP crash retrieval/reverse engineering programs, in the form paperwork, photos, and maybe even video. Either way, it's documentation that has been corroborated and verified, enough so to spring the Senate Intelligence Committee into unprecedented action.
The trick will be eventually making all of this stuff public.
Because the law being passed for 2024 requires these programs to divulge their existence, and the tech in their possession, to AARO, not to the public. So there *is* a scenario where even if this stuff makes its way to AARO, it could *still* be deemed too sensitive/classified to make its way to the public. That said, too many officials, Senators, etc will be aware at that point, and there's absolutely no way the news doesn't leak. And when the news leaks, photos and video will soon follow, hopefully culminating in some kind of official announcement.
If I had to guess, it could go something like this...
- Hearings starting either later this summer or into the fall (it's sounding like two or three total). Featuring bold claims from multiple people like Grusch, along with other officials, that make world-wide headline news, but still no verifiable proof, since it all still remains technically classified.
- But then, heading toward July 1, 2024, more and more info starts leaking, and finally, perhaps a year or so from now, some video leaks that is absolutely beyond convincing. Close up of a craft defying the knows laws of physics. Something along those lines.
- With the damn gushing, on the verge of breaking, at some point during the second half of next year, the government is then finally forced to admit to the reality of UAP crash retrieval/reverse engineering programs.
To me, that's the fastest this could all move. In reality, it'll of course probably take a longer, though. One X factor is next year's presidential election, which might affect the timing of some of this as well. But if come the end of, say, 2025, we still aren't much farther along than we are now, then yeah, even I'll start to join the skeptics.
Gravely serious if - as Rep. Tim Burchett alleges in this @NewsNation interview - the @DeptofDefense is trying to intimidate potential insider witnesses to not appear in #UAP public hearing this month. Surely that’s illegal - a contempt of Congress? https://t.co/es9pjCCwOV
— Ross Coulthart (@rosscoulthart) July 12, 2023
I can't believe this is actually happening....🤯🤯
— Dr.Disclosure89 (@Docneuroeo) July 12, 2023
Anonymous (7 million followers) has united with #ufotwitter to fight for DISCLOSURE 🤯 https://t.co/lO58xj5U4H
Yeah, that Ross guy is not the impartial mainstream journalist they made him out to be for the Grusch interview. He's been on countless woowoo UFO youtube shows in recent weeks and I've watched some to gauge him, each one is nuttier than the last. And surprise surprise, he's also been on the "I have UFO books to sell you and I'm available to speak for pay on the UFO tours" parade.TCTTS said:Gravely serious if - as Rep. Tim Burchett alleges in this @NewsNation interview - the @DeptofDefense is trying to intimidate potential insider witnesses to not appear in #UAP public hearing this month. Surely that’s illegal - a contempt of Congress? https://t.co/es9pjCCwOV
— Ross Coulthart (@rosscoulthart) July 12, 2023
Joes said:Yeah, that Ross guy is not the impartial mainstream journalist they made him out to be for the Grusch interview. He's been on countless woowoo UFO youtube shows in recent weeks and I've watched some to gauge him, each one is nuttier than the last. And surprise surprise, he's also been on the "I have UFO books to sell you and I'm available to speak for pay on the UFO tours" parade.TCTTS said:Gravely serious if - as Rep. Tim Burchett alleges in this @NewsNation interview - the @DeptofDefense is trying to intimidate potential insider witnesses to not appear in #UAP public hearing this month. Surely that’s illegal - a contempt of Congress? https://t.co/es9pjCCwOV
— Ross Coulthart (@rosscoulthart) July 12, 2023
In 2021, Coulthart authored a UFO-themed book titled In Plain Sight: An Investigation into UFOs and Impossible Science. Jason Colavito reviewed Coulthart's book, saying it was "less a serious analysis and more of a book report on the last works of the leaders of the faith. It also serves as an application for Coulthart to join Leslie Kean and George Knapp on the lucrative UFO speakers' circuit,
Rubio: The government either 1) has retrieved alien craft and reverse engineered them, or 2) a lot of high-level govn't officials are crazy. "We've got to figure out which one of these two it is." 👏🛸 #UFOTwitter https://t.co/5hGBX3AeoO
— David Bates (@DavidBWriter) July 12, 2023
TCTTS said:Rubio: The government either 1) has retrieved alien craft and reverse engineered them, or 2) a lot of high-level govn't officials are crazy. "We've got to figure out which one of these two it is." 👏🛸 #UFOTwitter https://t.co/5hGBX3AeoO
— David Bates (@DavidBWriter) July 12, 2023
Or, and stay with me here, the gov is developing top secret stuff and this is cover to try and keep it secret as long as possibleTCTTS said:Rubio: The government either 1) has retrieved alien craft and reverse engineered them, or 2) a lot of high-level govn't officials are crazy. "We've got to figure out which one of these two it is." 👏🛸 #UFOTwitter https://t.co/5hGBX3AeoO
— David Bates (@DavidBWriter) July 12, 2023
$$$Agristotle said:
I'm really surprised Rubio is this far out on this ledge. He can't make this happen by himself. What's his endgame when the sources dry up and we get an official non answer?
redline248 said:Or, and stay with me here, the gov is developing top secret stuff and this is cover to try and keep it secret as long as possibleTCTTS said:Rubio: The government either 1) has retrieved alien craft and reverse engineered them, or 2) a lot of high-level govn't officials are crazy. "We've got to figure out which one of these two it is." 👏🛸 #UFOTwitter https://t.co/5hGBX3AeoO
— David Bates (@DavidBWriter) July 12, 2023
To be fair, the bolded part happens on a daily basis from any politician with a microphone in their face. Not sure it would hurt a congresscritter to call out other govt workers as crazy liars.Agristotle said:
So Rubio is going to EITHER (1) produce alien technology or (2) unilaterally declare a bunch of high level government officials crazy/liars.
