G Martin 87 said:
oragator said:
I would love for it to be real, it would be the biggest story in history by light years (pun!), and would redefine our place in the universe, bring us much closer to understanding it all, and a 100 other things. And some of the vie does are interesting.
But how is it that a country with less than 2 percent of the earth's land mass seems to be the one with all the captured or crashed craft? And how would the biggest story in human history have stayed secret for decades? I mean, to the speculation above, Lockheed Martin would have just gotten alien technology that dozens of people would have needed to analyze, and it never got out?
But the real question I keep coming back to…aliens have the ability to travel speed of light probably or faster, technology that we can't fully comprehend or even remotely match based on the videos, and yet they seem to find a way to crash here, maybe a few times. They have an exponentially worse safety record than a discount airline, really? They could likely conquer us but don't, could communicate but don't, could mae themselves easier seen but don't, it all stays just murky enough to maybe be real but not truly.
So for me, gonna take a lot more than what's out there.
All reasonable objections worth considering. I am also a skeptic on this topic, and I can offer some counterpoints.
- It makes no sense to assume that UAP crashes only occur in the continental US. No one has claimed that. Rather, it seems logical to assume that UAP crashes can occur anywhere on the planet.
- If Grusch's claim that US retrieval teams have been successfully operating in secret is true, then it seems logical that other countries have organized similar secret efforts.
- As for FTL travel, I have a big problem with this purely on physics grounds. No counter there.
- So why would pilots with such advanced technology crash at all? First, why not? Is there any technology that is 100% safe and effective? Second, **** happens, especially the more complicated the technology and/or operating limits becomes. Remember that our technology and planetary environment may be just as alien to them as their technology and planetary environment would certainly be to us.
Just some thoughts.
All great answers. To try and fill in a few blanks…
Expanding on your first point, according to reports, of the craft we apparently have in our possession, at least two of them were either given to us by our allies, or we basically strong-armed them and said "Yeah, we'll take those." In particular, there are rumors of downed craft in Italy and in Brazil that we then brought back to the U.S. Grusch also mentions that we have "landed," intact craft as well, and the rumors there are that at least one if not more of these were found in excavations of ancient sites (obviously meaning these things have been here for thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years). Who knows if any of this is true - it's all admittedly pretty out there - but the point is that there are zero claims that these crashes are only happening in the U.S. In fact, in the Grusch interview excerpts we've seen so far, he specifically hints that Russia has exotic materials as well (hence the mention of a secret, "Cold War" race to try and reverse engineer this stuff before they do - and the "good" news there is, this tech is apparently so advanced that neither of us have been able to crack it yet, not even after all this time).
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But the real question I keep coming back to…aliens have the ability to travel speed of light probably or faster, technology that we can't fully comprehend or even remotely match based on the videos, and yet they seem to find a way to crash here, maybe a few times. They have an exponentially worse safety record than a discount airline, really?
First of all, echoing G Martin, the more complex a system is, the more opportunities there are for things to go wrong. These beings are obviously incredibly advanced, but they aren't infallible, and no system is perfect. For all we know, say they have some kind of tech or forcefield that shields their craft from lightning, but that forcefield has to drop out for a split second when the craft shifts gravity settings or whatever, and in that split second a bolt of lightning happens to strike the craft, and down it goes. There are myriad issues like that where the tech could be crazy advanced, yes, but not utterly perfect or infallible.
There's also another, more outside-the-box line of thinking, which is that some of these craft *might* have been crashed on purpose. In other words, for whatever reasons, these beings can't yet blatantly make themselves known to us, or have certain self-imposed restrictions in regards to contact, so one "loophole" would be simply crashing these things in remote areas of the world for us to find. One popular line of thought is that "the grays" - the small, gray aliens with big heads and big, black, almond-shaped eyes - are basically not only the "worker bees," but soulless, biological drones of sorts. Almost like controllable, biological, A.I. avatars. If so, they'd also be expendable pilots, and for, say, a sect of aliens who *do* want to make themselves known to us, but in less obvious ways, without technically breaking any potential "rules of engagement," simply having these biological drone beings crash a few craft over the course of 90 years would certainly do the trick. Or, maybe these crashes are "offered" in a way not unlike the monoliths from
2001: A Space Odyssey. As in, they've decided they're not going to straight up give us this tech, hold our hand, and tech us how to use it... but here's some debris/intact craft, and if and when you figure out how to replicate it on your own, you'll be "worthy" of using it.
Again, another crazy idea, but also another possible explanation.
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They could likely conquer us but don't, could communicate but don't, could mae themselves easier seen but don't, it all stays just murky enough to maybe be real but not truly.
I know this is way, way out there, but… if they had a hand in creating us, or even simply aiding in our evolution, why would they want to "conquer" us? It could very well be that we're part of an elaborate, multi-thousand-year experiment, and again, the entire point is to see how we develop on our own, without their immediate interference.
All I know is that the more I've studied this subject, the more I see how unintentionally bias and assumption-filled many of the simplest questions can be.
People instantly assume these beings come from other star systems/galaxies, and that they're bound by our human, 2023 knowledge of physics. But what if they come from other
dimensions or planes of existence altogether (and thus don't have to traverse vast distances)? If not, though, what if our "laws" of physics are merely a result of our limited understanding of how the universe works, and interstellar travel is relatively "easy" once a species reaches a certain technological threshold? People also assume these beings would want to conquer us or destroy or us or at least make themselves known upon discovering us. But what if they had a hand in *making* us? And what if remaining in the shadows is the whole point?
Yes, again, I fully admit how batsh*t some of this sounds, and I'm not saying these questions shouldn't be asked, or that skepticism isn't essential. Because it absolutely is. Trust me, I get it, and I'm not at all giving my full-throated endorsement of any of these theories. I'm simply asking people to have a more open mind about some of this stuff, consider possible alternatives, and try and leave any preconceived notions at the door.
