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If we're not alone, we have the right to know.

It's as simple as that.

It shouldn't be up to a select few who get to decide whether the rest of humanity learns something so profound or not.

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Admittedly, this is where it always falls apart in my mind. I don't understand how something so profound would be controlled by so few.

How does that work? A species/civilization that is advanced so far beyond our comprehension that will change humanity forever is taking orders not to reveal itself from a handful of bureaucrats in the DoE or DoD? Also, what happens when those bureaucrats retire? This has been going on for at least 100 years, right?

"Hey Xenon, this is my replacement Bob. I'm retiring to the Poconos. Your secret is safe with him."

That was obviously in jest but the ability for governments, somehow working together for almost a century, to keep this a secret when these aliens/beings/civilizations are so far beyond us just doesn't pass the smell test to me. If it is so profound, why would they wait on the US government to do a "slow roll" of information to prepare the populace? If they were really here, it feels like it would have been self-evident at some point in this timeline. I have a hard time just putting faith in our government in the year 2023 given everything we've seen from them over the past several years and what we know they've done in the past.

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I mean, you're making a pretty giant assumption there, assuming that if aliens are here, they're "taking orders" from "from a handful of bureaucrats in the DoE or DoD," when that's not a theory I've ever once heard presented. If this phenomenon is real, all signs point to these things potentially having been here (or visited here) for thousands of years. They're taking orders from no one. In other words, they're the ones choosing not to reveal themselves for whatever reasons.

If - and this is obviously a massively big IF - they have any kind of deal with a select few in our government, it's our government who's taking orders from them, to keep this all a secret. That said, personally, I highly doubt there's any kind of a formal agreement in place. MAYBE we've made contact in some form or fashion, via a crash survivor or two (who, according to rumors, likely died soon after). Otherwise, I think that those keeping the secret in our government know only as much as they've been able to glean from crash retrievals, satellite data, etc.

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The last few pages of this thread, which I've just caught up on, have done nothing more than convince me that the pro-alien side is completely off their rocker.

Y'all had my interest a lot more when you were dealing with stuff that had a morsel of believability. Now you've gone into "you'll believe literally anything, which makes me believe nothing you say" territory.

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I'll never quite understand this mindset. So you're interested to read about it, but laugh at what you read? This whole thing is completely opposite of what we currently know. If you don't want to know anything about it, why even bother with it?

The whole point of the latest MH370 issue is that nobody can disprove it beyond reasonable doubt yet. It looks absolutely ridiculous and fake based off our current scientific understanding and beliefs. All I have been doing is presenting what an army of autistics on Reddit are posting and trying to disprove.

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The debris disproves it beyond a reasonable doubt. We have dozens of pieces of debris from the plane. I've read pages and pages on it today and am blown away by what people will believe if they want to.

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You're placing just as much belief in the debris being authentic, when there are all kinds of legitimate questions surrounding it. There is plenty of reasonable doubt. It's the exact same belief others are placing in these videos being authentic. We're listening to a bunch anonymous Redditors, while you're choosing to trust the word of the Malaysia government and a single, shady dude who is conveniently responsible for collecting 70% of debris found so far. Both sides are grasping at straws here.

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im just saying that "Look at this flaperon now shut up about it" is meh..

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Likewise, "an army of anonymous users on reddit can't debunk it" is meh.

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im just saying that "Look at this flaperon now shut up about it" is meh..

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Likewise, "an army of anonymous users on reddit can't debunk it" is meh.

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Agreed. That's what makes this fascinating.

I believe Pearl Harbor did infact occur. As did the et vehicle crash in NM in 1947. And 48...

I got into this subject about 6-7 years ago with a confirmational bias towards it NOT anything et related. But things got really "confusing" quick.

Steven Spielberg is no stranger to close encounters of the third kind https://t.co/omGZseuLre

— Deadline Hollywood (@DEADLINE) August 17, 2023

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EXCLUSIVE: Steven Spielberg is no stranger to close encounters of the third kind.

Therefore, it's fitting that his production company Amblin Television has teamed up with Boardwalk Pictures, which is behind Netflix's Pepsi, Where's My Jet?, and Vice Studios on a four-part docuseries about aliens.

Encounters has landed at Netflix, which will launch the four-parter on September 27.

Yon Motskin, who created Max's Generation Hustle, will direct the series, which will explore four extraordinary true stories of encounters with otherworldly phenomena.

Each episode tells a single story: strange lights in the sky over small-town Texas; submersible space crafts haunting a coastal Welsh village; an alien encounter with schoolchildren in Zimbabwe and non-human intelligence reportedly interfering with a nuclear power plant in Japan.

Told from the perspective of firsthand experiencers in the places where the sightings occurred and guided by scientists and military personnel, the series highlights the profoundly human impact of these encounters on lives, families, and communities.

It comes as explosive new revelations emerge from military whistleblowers of alien encounters, UFOs, and clandestine Pentagon programs, as well as coverage from major news sources, which have breathed a fresh urgency into a topic that, for decades, has been relegated to the realm of conspiracy.

Motskin exec produces alongside Amblin Television's Darryl Frank and Justin Falvey, Boardwalk Pictures' Andrew Fried, Jordan Wynn and Dane Lillegard and Vice Studios' Andrew Freston, Danny Gabai, Derek Mead and Jason Koebler. Patrick Altema is Co-EP for Boardwalk.

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strange lights in the sky over small-town Texas

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Marfa?

I know I sound like a broken record, but the sheer amount of ridiculously insane detail a hoaxer would have had to fake at this point is approaching absurd...

👉 A observant Reddit user /idontcareanymoreq points out that the drone experiences turbulence from the commercial jet passing by as seen here

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(#UFOTwitter #UFO #UFOs #UFOSightings #UAPTwitter) pic.twitter.com/XtxayrqnbB

— 💭 think tank (@528vibes) August 17, 2023

TCTTS said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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If we're not alone, we have the right to know.

It's as simple as that.

It shouldn't be up to a select few who get to decide whether the rest of humanity learns something so profound or not.

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Admittedly, this is where it always falls apart in my mind. I don't understand how something so profound would be controlled by so few.

How does that work? A species/civilization that is advanced so far beyond our comprehension that will change humanity forever is taking orders not to reveal itself from a handful of bureaucrats in the DoE or DoD? Also, what happens when those bureaucrats retire? This has been going on for at least 100 years, right?

"Hey Xenon, this is my replacement Bob. I'm retiring to the Poconos. Your secret is safe with him."

That was obviously in jest but the ability for governments, somehow working together for almost a century, to keep this a secret when these aliens/beings/civilizations are so far beyond us just doesn't pass the smell test to me. If it is so profound, why would they wait on the US government to do a "slow roll" of information to prepare the populace? If they were really here, it feels like it would have been self-evident at some point in this timeline. I have a hard time just putting faith in our government in the year 2023 given everything we've seen from them over the past several years and what we know they've done in the past.

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I mean, you're making a pretty giant assumption there, assuming that if aliens are here, they're "taking orders" from "from a handful of bureaucrats in the DoE or DoD," when that's not a theory I've ever once heard presented. If this phenomenon is real, all signs point to these things potentially having been here (or visited here) for thousands of years. They're taking orders from no one. In other words, they're the ones choosing not to reveal themselves for whatever reasons.

If - and this is obviously a massively big IF - they have any kind of deal with a select few in our government, it's our government who's taking orders from them, to keep this all a secret. That said, personally, I highly doubt there's any kind of a formal agreement in place. MAYBE we've made contact in some form or fashion, via a crash survivor or two (who, according to rumors, likely died soon after). Otherwise, I think that those keeping the secret in our government know only as much as they've been able to glean from crash retrievals, satellite data, etc.

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I really appreciate you summarizing your view of the whole thing from a larger perspective, whether it turns out to be true or not there is at least an internal consistency to it and if they do exist then I think what you wrote is a reasonable guess about the situation.

I certainly agree that if they are here then I can't imagine that our government could have any way of concealing them if they didn't already choose to be. So that leaves either (if they exist) that our government knows there is some "other" out there, and maybe even has something tangible but mysterious from them, but otherwise is still mostly ignorant like we are. Or else the government is FAR more aware than that, knows what they are and maybe even has contact, and is not disclosing them because they have a valid reason not to. In other words, because that's the aliens' wishes. I don't think we can blame the government for not telling us anything if that's the case, but I think the first case is the more likely of those two.

I wish the others here who are also fully onboard would also give like a one paragraph brief summary of the larger perspective in their opinion, because one of the biggest red flags to me has always been that even the people who will tell you they've studied all this their whole lives will tell you completely opposite viewpoints. Surely you can understand that it doesn't inspire much confidence in the whole thing when even lifetimers are saying opposite things all the time. There's not even a consensus if they're dangerous or not after all these decades.

All the testimonies, the documents, the gov reactions to this latest disclosure, on and on. Plus a couple of things I've seen during my 67 years. I don't need our gov our MSM to give me permission to know. Another competing explanation of the reality (a psyop) would make the et reality look like cub-scout den mothers tiff. How could any rational person believe that when there is soooooo much evidence to counter it? Yes, I very much understand the difficulty for some to even consider this reality. Our own gov has seen to that. And many other governments across the globe. Here's a thought: there is data suggesting that et themselves are involved in the on going cover-up. This may explain much.

BTW, I don't necessarily believe all that's floated out there pertaining to this. Just like any predictions on Texas A&M's predicted football seasons results.

I'm just tickled to see the issue receive greater band width here on TexAgs. Was banned earlier for spamming, trolling, on and on...finally they just quit responding to my inquires. I told them that this issue was not going away and would only be increasing. Were they part of the problem? Perhaps. I think we are just seeing the tip of the iceberg at this juncture.

So, I started reading an article I found about the thermal drone video. I was just getting to the part where it was talking why it's not real when the power went out in my house.

Coincidence?

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All the testimonies, the documents, the gov reactions to this latest disclosure, on and on. Plus a couple of things I've seen during my 67 years. I don't need our gov our MSM to give me permission to know. Another competing explanation of the reality (a psyop) would make the et reality look like cub-scout den mothers tiff. How could any rational person believe that when there is soooooo much evidence to counter it? Yes, I very much understand the difficulty for some to even consider this reality. Our own gov has seen to that. And many other governments across the globe. Here's a thought: there is data suggesting that et themselves are involved in the on going cover-up. This may explain much.

BTW, I don't necessarily believe all that's floated out there pertaining to this. Just like any predictions on Texas A&M's predicted football seasons results.

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Wouldn't you agree then that if that's the case then it's the one scenario where it would be unreasonable to demand that the government open up to us?

Perhaps I'm a bit naive, but it's simply a matter of common decency to not tell the electorate lies. Perhaps the et have told gov to not disclose for reasons....can't fathom.. The gov/military et. al. are in place for US. For those who have children, they have been lying for decades....not a good look. Not a good example on how to behave.
We need to know EXACTLY where we fit in the cosmos for us to properly develop as a civilization. Yes, it could get bumpy but I'm sure we are not the only species to navigate this.
I've also heard that as a result of the back engineering of of et materials, there is load of beneficial items that would help us all right now. But being tied together with the et reality, has never been PUBLICLY released.

That needs to change.

This one is good cut n paste material for Facebook etc:

Thoughts on the current controlled EXTRATERRESTRIAL reality disclosure process and related US GOV cover-up? Will it be simply a partial disclosure? Once the uneasy, contagious giggling subsides, how will our civilization and the misled sheep adapt to this publicly known reality? Are the good Shepherds withholding the truth in our best interest? Perhaps multiple species are involved? How will the 80+ years of dishonesty be addressed? And the reported murders committed in order to maintain the secrecy? Is it required that we be honest when it comes to our tax returns? Has the cost of maintaining the lie exceeded the price of simply telling the truth? Is it time this great country starts walking the walk becoming the leader we proclaim ourselves to be? What might be some of the potential implications of disclosure of this reality? New energy sources perhaps? Transportation? Religions? History? The economy? Race relations? The environment? Politics? Perhaps it leads to confirmation of hidden energy alternatives and an established "secret" space program? But does the flock really want to know the complete story?

Joes said:

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TCTTS said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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If we're not alone, we have the right to know.

It's as simple as that.

It shouldn't be up to a select few who get to decide whether the rest of humanity learns something so profound or not.

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Admittedly, this is where it always falls apart in my mind. I don't understand how something so profound would be controlled by so few.

How does that work? A species/civilization that is advanced so far beyond our comprehension that will change humanity forever is taking orders not to reveal itself from a handful of bureaucrats in the DoE or DoD? Also, what happens when those bureaucrats retire? This has been going on for at least 100 years, right?

"Hey Xenon, this is my replacement Bob. I'm retiring to the Poconos. Your secret is safe with him."

That was obviously in jest but the ability for governments, somehow working together for almost a century, to keep this a secret when these aliens/beings/civilizations are so far beyond us just doesn't pass the smell test to me. If it is so profound, why would they wait on the US government to do a "slow roll" of information to prepare the populace? If they were really here, it feels like it would have been self-evident at some point in this timeline. I have a hard time just putting faith in our government in the year 2023 given everything we've seen from them over the past several years and what we know they've done in the past.

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I mean, you're making a pretty giant assumption there, assuming that if aliens are here, they're "taking orders" from "from a handful of bureaucrats in the DoE or DoD," when that's not a theory I've ever once heard presented. If this phenomenon is real, all signs point to these things potentially having been here (or visited here) for thousands of years. They're taking orders from no one. In other words, they're the ones choosing not to reveal themselves for whatever reasons.

If - and this is obviously a massively big IF - they have any kind of deal with a select few in our government, it's our government who's taking orders from them, to keep this all a secret. That said, personally, I highly doubt there's any kind of a formal agreement in place. MAYBE we've made contact in some form or fashion, via a crash survivor or two (who, according to rumors, likely died soon after). Otherwise, I think that those keeping the secret in our government know only as much as they've been able to glean from crash retrievals, satellite data, etc.

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I really appreciate you summarizing your view of the whole thing from a larger perspective, whether it turns out to be true or not there is at least an internal consistency to it and if they do exist then I think what you wrote is a reasonable guess about the situation.

I certainly agree that if they are here then I can't imagine that our government could have any way of concealing them if they didn't already choose to be. So that leaves either (if they exist) that our government knows there is some "other" out there, and maybe even has something tangible but mysterious from them, but otherwise is still mostly ignorant like we are. Or else the government is FAR more aware than that, knows what they are and maybe even has contact, and is not disclosing them because they have a valid reason not to. In other words, because that's the aliens' wishes. I don't think we can blame the government for not telling us anything if that's the case, but I think the first case is the more likely of those two.

I wish the others here who are also fully onboard would also give like a one paragraph brief summary of the larger perspective in their opinion, because one of the biggest red flags to me has always been that even the people who will tell you they've studied all this their whole lives will tell you completely opposite viewpoints. Surely you can understand that it doesn't inspire much confidence in the whole thing when even lifetimers are saying opposite things all the time. There's not even a consensus if they're dangerous or not after all these decades.

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If I had to bet on a scenario, it's the one that seems to be gaining the most traction the past few years, which is that those in the government (potentially) keeping this a secret are doing so, ultimately, because they have no clue what we're dealing with. Or, rather, they know way more than we obviously do, but they still don't know the big picture, and thus don't want to have to say to the public, "Guess what? We're not alone! Aliens are here! But also... we have no idea where they're coming from or what their plan is. Oh, and they're so incredibly advanced that there's basically nothing our military can do to protect us from them, should they turn hostile."

So, on one hand, I get it. If this phenomenon is real, our government potentially believes that it could be catastrophic to put themselves in the position of risking losing the public's trust in the one institution it places above all others to protect it.

But yeah, there are credible rumors that we're tracking these things all over the globe (and in our oceans), that we know what "frequency" these craft emit, and that we even know certain flight patterns that they seem to repeat. And if we do in fact have some of their craft, we obviously know *something* about their tech (even though we haven't been able to fully reverse engineer it), and know *something* about their biology, based on autopsies of the recovered victims. Again, I think we might very well have a decent amount of data points, and have been able to make all kinds of educated guesses based on that data.

But I would be shocked if we actually have any kind of formal deal with them in place.

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im just saying that "Look at this flaperon now shut up about it" is meh..

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Likewise, "an army of anonymous users on reddit can't debunk it" is meh.

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It would be more accurate to say "two or three users with editing experience are impressed while an army of spectators post 'wow, that's really weird' responses." If you scroll through that Reddit thread yourself, you'll quickly see that it's not chock full of imaging experts doing scientific testing of the videos.

If ETs and UAPs are legit, what do you think prevents other countries from disclosing?

I'm not really talking about large 1st world countries...but countries that don't really have any alliances with countries that may have these things being reverse engineered in a bunker.

Let's say Chile or Nigeria has evidence...what keeps them quiet? I would imagine some countries would LOVE to disclose in order to make the U.S. look bad. Is the U.S. paying them off in the form of foreign aid to keep quiet?

I'm still mulling it over in my head and probably didn't ask in the best way...but you probably get the idea.

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Joes said:

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TCTTS said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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If we're not alone, we have the right to know.

It's as simple as that.

It shouldn't be up to a select few who get to decide whether the rest of humanity learns something so profound or not.

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Admittedly, this is where it always falls apart in my mind. I don't understand how something so profound would be controlled by so few.

How does that work? A species/civilization that is advanced so far beyond our comprehension that will change humanity forever is taking orders not to reveal itself from a handful of bureaucrats in the DoE or DoD? Also, what happens when those bureaucrats retire? This has been going on for at least 100 years, right?

"Hey Xenon, this is my replacement Bob. I'm retiring to the Poconos. Your secret is safe with him."

That was obviously in jest but the ability for governments, somehow working together for almost a century, to keep this a secret when these aliens/beings/civilizations are so far beyond us just doesn't pass the smell test to me. If it is so profound, why would they wait on the US government to do a "slow roll" of information to prepare the populace? If they were really here, it feels like it would have been self-evident at some point in this timeline. I have a hard time just putting faith in our government in the year 2023 given everything we've seen from them over the past several years and what we know they've done in the past.

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I mean, you're making a pretty giant assumption there, assuming that if aliens are here, they're "taking orders" from "from a handful of bureaucrats in the DoE or DoD," when that's not a theory I've ever once heard presented. If this phenomenon is real, all signs point to these things potentially having been here (or visited here) for thousands of years. They're taking orders from no one. In other words, they're the ones choosing not to reveal themselves for whatever reasons.

If - and this is obviously a massively big IF - they have any kind of deal with a select few in our government, it's our government who's taking orders from them, to keep this all a secret. That said, personally, I highly doubt there's any kind of a formal agreement in place. MAYBE we've made contact in some form or fashion, via a crash survivor or two (who, according to rumors, likely died soon after). Otherwise, I think that those keeping the secret in our government know only as much as they've been able to glean from crash retrievals, satellite data, etc.

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I really appreciate you summarizing your view of the whole thing from a larger perspective, whether it turns out to be true or not there is at least an internal consistency to it and if they do exist then I think what you wrote is a reasonable guess about the situation.

I certainly agree that if they are here then I can't imagine that our government could have any way of concealing them if they didn't already choose to be. So that leaves either (if they exist) that our government knows there is some "other" out there, and maybe even has something tangible but mysterious from them, but otherwise is still mostly ignorant like we are. Or else the government is FAR more aware than that, knows what they are and maybe even has contact, and is not disclosing them because they have a valid reason not to. In other words, because that's the aliens' wishes. I don't think we can blame the government for not telling us anything if that's the case, but I think the first case is the more likely of those two.

I wish the others here who are also fully onboard would also give like a one paragraph brief summary of the larger perspective in their opinion, because one of the biggest red flags to me has always been that even the people who will tell you they've studied all this their whole lives will tell you completely opposite viewpoints. Surely you can understand that it doesn't inspire much confidence in the whole thing when even lifetimers are saying opposite things all the time. There's not even a consensus if they're dangerous or not after all these decades.

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If I had to bet on a scenario, it's the one that seems to be gaining the most traction the past few years, which is that those in the government (potentially) keeping this a secret are doing so, ultimately, because they have no clue what we're dealing with. Or, rather, they know way more than we obviously do, but they still don't know the big picture, and thus don't want to have to say to the public, "Guess what? We're not alone! Aliens are here! But also... we have no idea where they're coming from or what their plan is. Oh, and they're so incredibly advanced that there's basically nothing our military can do to protect us from them, should they turn hostile."

So, on one hand, I get it. If this phenomenon is real, our government potentially believes that it could be catastrophic to put themselves in the position of risking losing the public's trust in the one institution it places above all others to protect it.

But yeah, there are credible rumors that we're tracking these things all over the globe (and in our oceans), that we know what "frequency" these craft emit, and that we even know certain flight patterns that they seem to repeat. And if we do in fact have some of their craft, we obviously know *something* about their tech (even though we haven't been able to fully reverse engineer it), and know *something* about their biology, based on autopsies of the recovered victims. Again, I think we might very well have a decent amount of data points, and have been able to make all kinds of educated guesses based on that data.

But I would be shocked if we actually have any kind of formal deal with them in place.

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Yeah, that's actually a scenario where we could have genuine lying/coverup by the government that I think could also be judged to be somewhat understandable, or at least not malicious. Well-intentioned lying, haha!

Plus, if that were to be the case then I think they'd realize that's it'd be an endless problem anyway if they gave up what they know. If they confirmed that some NHI is really here but they (honestly) don't know what it is or what it wants but that we're helpless anyway then they'd still end up with more accusations that they aren't telling us all they know. It would just be kicking the can a bit only now with more intensity because they would have already acknowledged that they had been lying. Anything short of total clarity would not be acceptable at that point, which they wouldn't have.

I'm sure not saying I believe this, but if it was ever really proven that some mysterious NHI truly exists here on Earth and I was forced to choose from all the unlikely origins of it, I've always thought that some Earth-borne distant cousin of mankind would make the most sense. Whether pre-human, or some offshoot version of early humans, a high-tech underwater civilization (yeah, think sunken Atlantis or some such) would at least eliminate all of the questions of interstellar or interdimensional travel and also explain why (if true) they have similar humanoid bodies, as well as be consistent with all the water/ocean related events and also could be reasonably argued that's why they always seem so close but so far, and so numerous.

We still don't know that much about the majority of the oceans. It would also explain why they might be in the same large ballpark of technology as us enough that we could possibly reverse engineer stuff. They would have been operating in the same planetary conditions as us and they would still likely only be within hundreds or a few thousands of years apart from us rather than potentially millions or billions if from another star or galaxy.

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Perhaps I'm a bit naive, but it's simply a matter of common decency to not tell the electorate lies. Perhaps the et have told gov to not disclose for reasons....can't fathom.. The gov/military et. al. are in place for US. For those who have children, they have been lying for decades....not a good look. Not a good example on how to behave.
We need to know EXACTLY where we fit in the cosmos for us to properly develop as a civilization. Yes, it could get bumpy but I'm sure we are not the only species to navigate this.
I've also heard that as a result of the back engineering of of et materials, there is load of beneficial items that would help us all right now. But being tied together with the et reality, has never been PUBLICLY released.

That needs to change.

This one is good cut n paste material for Facebook etc:

Thoughts on the current controlled EXTRATERRESTRIAL reality disclosure process and related US GOV cover-up? Will it be simply a partial disclosure? Once the uneasy, contagious giggling subsides, how will our civilization and the misled sheep adapt to this publicly known reality? Are the good Shepherds withholding the truth in our best interest? Perhaps multiple species are involved? How will the 80+ years of dishonesty be addressed? And the reported murders committed in order to maintain the secrecy? Is it required that we be honest when it comes to our tax returns? Has the cost of maintaining the lie exceeded the price of simply telling the truth? Is it time this great country starts walking the walk becoming the leader we proclaim ourselves to be? What might be some of the potential implications of disclosure of this reality? New energy sources perhaps? Transportation? Religions? History? The economy? Race relations? The environment? Politics? Perhaps it leads to confirmation of hidden energy alternatives and an established "secret" space program? But does the flock really want to know the complete story?

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Well yeah if it was solely our government's decision, but if the aliens are actively participating jointly in their concealment as you noted then maybe it would be better to lie to us than to take a laser blast to the head and doom us.

OK, here is the article I mentioned

https://observers.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20230323-mh370-why-these-two-videos-don-t-show-what-happened-to-the-lost-plane

The first part talks about a Google satellite photo that was claimed to show the plane near some US base.

The 2nd part is about the thermal video, which was apparently 2 videos? The first non thermal one (available by clicking a link) is clearly fake. There is some interesting stuff about the thermal one.

1st is been around for a while and was never considered credible before.

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In the initial posts, the titles of both videos refer to "Airliner and UFOs". No mention of flight MH370 is made in the captions of either video.

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He even found a version of the video shared on Vimeo in August 2014 by a UFO enthusiast group. The description under the video describes it as "what the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 may have looked like" made by a "video editing enthusiast".

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2nd, one of the "experts" says it originally was claimed to be from a satellite that didn't launch until after the flight. Then it was altered to be claimed as drone footage. The drones are said to have a much lower altitude ceiling than the fight.

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I downloaded a higher resolution copy of the first video, alleged satellite footage with some letters and numbers half-visible on the screen. I'm pretty sure the video maker wanted viewers to believe the satellite is NROL-33 based on what we can see on that clip. I checked the letters/numbers using 10-20x magnification and went through the footage frame-by-frame.

NROL-33 is a real military satellite, but it was launched on May 22, 2014 later than MH370 incident. So if the video maker wanted viewers to believe the footage is from NROL-33 satellite, it can't be true.

I can't find any satellite imagery that would match what we see in the first clip. I think no satellite can't take that kind of images of an airplane. Shortly: I'm fairly certain this video is not from any satellite like the original video claims.

Later copies [...] have edited the clip so that the "mystery coordinates" are not visible. I found only one copy where the "coordinates" can be seen. Later copies don't talk about satellite video but suggest it's drone footage. That's not plausible either: MQ1-Predator max altitude is 25,000 ft, much lower than the MH370 cruising altitude.

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I assume the reddit thread covers some of these items?

Oh, since I'm on my phone I didn't verify dates or satellite model numbers or anything

I can't wait to see what he shares

Hey, the more data the better so I hope he does, if it's real then it's real.

Michael Cera Palin said:

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Commercial pilots have been recording sightings. With their permission, I’ll begin to share.

— Ryan Graves (@uncertainvector) August 17, 2023

I can't wait for the absolute **** show this thread will become if he does

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👀...I'm sure it's all just a coincidence...Big coincidence

(#UFOTwitter #UFO #UFOs #UFOSightings #UAPTwitter) pic.twitter.com/zM098Eu2x0

— 💭 think tank (@528vibes) August 17, 2023

lunchbox said:

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If ETs and UAPs are legit, what do you think prevents other countries from disclosing?

I'm not really talking about large 1st world countries...but countries that don't really have any alliances with countries that may have these things being reverse engineered in a bunker.

Let's say Chile or Nigeria has evidence...what keeps them quiet? I would imagine some countries would LOVE to disclose in order to make the U.S. look bad. Is the U.S. paying them off in the form of foreign aid to keep quiet?

I'm still mulling it over in my head and probably didn't ask in the best way...but you probably get the idea.

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This is a great question, and one I don't know the answer to.

If you watch James Fox's 2022 documentary Moment of Contact, which has been talked about and linked to a bunch in this thread, it chronicles the events of an incredibly convincing supposed UAP crash from 1996 in Brazil. And if the Brazilian officials in the doc are to be believed, our government swooped in and took possession of the craft from the Brazilian government fairly quickly, and without much if any pushback, it seems.

So maybe certain backroom deals are in place?

Maybe we're able to track these things incredibly well, know when they crash, and then strong-arm certain governments?

I really have no idea.

TCTTS said:

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lunchbox said:

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If ETs and UAPs are legit, what do you think prevents other countries from disclosing?

I'm not really talking about large 1st world countries...but countries that don't really have any alliances with countries that may have these things being reverse engineered in a bunker.

Let's say Chile or Nigeria has evidence...what keeps them quiet? I would imagine some countries would LOVE to disclose in order to make the U.S. look bad. Is the U.S. paying them off in the form of foreign aid to keep quiet?

I'm still mulling it over in my head and probably didn't ask in the best way...but you probably get the idea.

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This is a great question, and one I don't know the answer to.

If you watch James Fox's 2022 documentary Moment of Contact, which has been talked about and linked to a bunch in this thread, it chronicles the events of an incredibly convincing supposed UAP crash from 1996 in Brazil. And if the Brazilian officials in the doc are to believed, our government swooped in and took possession of the craft from the Brazilian government fairly quickly, and without much if any pushback, it seems.

So maybe certain backroom deals are in place?

Maybe we're able to track these things incredibly well, know when they crash, and then strong-arm certain governments?

I really have no idea.

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All of that money we seem to be sending random countries for "aid"? What does that buy you?

Joes said:

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Aztec1948 said:

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Perhaps I'm a bit naive, but it's simply a matter of common decency to not tell the electorate lies. Perhaps the et have told gov to not disclose for reasons....can't fathom.. The gov/military et. al. are in place for US. For those who have children, they have been lying for decades....not a good look. Not a good example on how to behave.
We need to know EXACTLY where we fit in the cosmos for us to properly develop as a civilization. Yes, it could get bumpy but I'm sure we are not the only species to navigate this.
I've also heard that as a result of the back engineering of of et materials, there is load of beneficial items that would help us all right now. But being tied together with the et reality, has never been PUBLICLY released.

That needs to change.

This one is good cut n paste material for Facebook etc:

Thoughts on the current controlled EXTRATERRESTRIAL reality disclosure process and related US GOV cover-up? Will it be simply a partial disclosure? Once the uneasy, contagious giggling subsides, how will our civilization and the misled sheep adapt to this publicly known reality? Are the good Shepherds withholding the truth in our best interest? Perhaps multiple species are involved? How will the 80+ years of dishonesty be addressed? And the reported murders committed in order to maintain the secrecy? Is it required that we be honest when it comes to our tax returns? Has the cost of maintaining the lie exceeded the price of simply telling the truth? Is it time this great country starts walking the walk becoming the leader we proclaim ourselves to be? What might be some of the potential implications of disclosure of this reality? New energy sources perhaps? Transportation? Religions? History? The economy? Race relations? The environment? Politics? Perhaps it leads to confirmation of hidden energy alternatives and an established "secret" space program? But does the flock really want to know the complete story?

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Well yeah if it was solely our government's decision, but if the aliens are actively participating jointly in their concealment as you noted then maybe it would be better to lie to us than to take a laser blast to the head and doom us.

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Perhaps it would be better. Perhaps not. But...there are other factions of et that DO want all this mess disclosed and do have our best interest in mind apparently. Many think they have the upper hand so to speak at this point leading to this latest iteration of a disclosure process. JFK wanted to bring it out.. and that notion was squelched. But yes, there is data suggesting they are involved in the secrecy. They want to maintain the status quo and keep humanity in the dark. We will never develop properly until we know the truth. That is one of the reasons disclosure is so vital. How do treat cancer unless you know you have it? They originated 3 major religions (at min) on the planet as control/maintenance systems. It all needs to come out at some point. This is but a new beginning.

That's awesome!

On another note, circling back a bit; if an alien or biological robot die one earth, can there be alien ghosts roaming planet earth?

Also, are aliens interested in mind altering drugs? Perhaps mushrooms and psychedelics are a way of breaking through the vibrational barrier and communicate with humans/humanity…

We can (mostly) scientifically prove the existence of a non-material dimension / plane. (And yes consistent testimony verified materially counts.)

Across time and environment -

- clinically dead people "returning" and detailing conversations and objects on the roof
- DMT trips where a group of people describe "the same" entities from their subjective experience

Now, this means IMO that at least some of the events detailed on this thread have something of an explanation.

aggiephoenix02 said:

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That's awesome!

On another note, circling back a bit; if an alien or biological robot die one earth, can there be alien ghosts roaming planet earth?

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This is, like, the whole basis of scientology