Only have to wait about 35 years for the current crop of congress to die or retire

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think these things are actual, biblical demons, and don't want to risk opening up a portal hell or whatever.

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Everything else is reasonable, right? But THAT is just crazy!

Evidently, some in the Pentagon still do believe this. That could be the crux of some in Pentagon not wanting disclosure. But, if they truly believe that, they are doing us all a great disservice. How can you deal with cancer until you know you've got it? No, I think it's because they have been so dishonest over the decades..kicking the can down the road...telling more lies to cover previous ones.. They are scared of the fall-out from from the American people'd reaction to finding out one of our most trusted gov entities has been lying to them perhaps. I think it's telling that the Vatican mantra has been "all life is part of God's creation" or something to that effect. Many believe that group knows a lot more about extraterrestrials than what they have been allowed to or will say.
You can bet that sect will be very involved with any worldwide post disclosure process.

On this we can agree.

IMO, by a wide margin, the number one reason the cover-up still exists is because admitting to the lie - and what has been done to protect the lie - will be just as shocking as the existence of NHI itself. It's a classic case of the cover-up being worse than the crime. And when/if disclosure ever happens, it'll be the trial of the century, if not of all time, and government distrust will be at an all time high.

Then, WAY below that is concern for global/existential panic and that aliens might literally be biblical demons.

Will make Watergate seem like a cub-scout den mothers tiff.

In order for us to develop correctly, it must come to light. I think we are getting help.

Re: Burchett, he has been pushing harder than most anyone for disclosure to the public. It has also been said many times from those on DMT trips/astral projection or other forms of communication (project Stargate) that there are good and bad actors in the other planes of existence. Would not be so quick to lump him in with trying to block disclosure. Especially if you are a believer, we are taught Ep 6:1

• For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

I believe Burchett is just giving warning to be careful that not all contact will be benevolent.

I'm aware of Burchett's track record and I've always appreciated his efforts.

Also, assuming there are other planes of existence, I have no doubt that bad actors exist in those planes too, might not have our best interests at heart, are capable of misleading us, etc.

But that's not the same as literal, biblical demons under the control of Satan, fighting God for our souls and all of that. Which is what these guys apparently believe is happening and what we might be interacting with.

I get that we need to be cautious regardless, but trying to graft one's own religion onto this phenomenon, and then deciding not to act because of religion, is the absolute wrong way to go about this. Personal religious beliefs should not affect our collective, scientific pursuit of truth, whatever that truth may be. Especially when it pertains to an issue of this magnitude.

Listen to what he says. None of what you are bringing up is in there. As I said, he is more urging caution (as he should) about the possibility of malevolent actors being enabled.
As far as beings from other planes/dimensions of existence, you may want to really look at what has come out. Over and over again the NHI has been referred to as not necessarily ETs. The discussion of inter-dimensional has crept more and more into the discussions during and after the hearings.
As far as religious belief hindering scientific advance: you are creating conflict and friction where it does not exist. Science was born out of the search for truth and that we as humans are capable of understanding the workings of creation. That was born in religion. But that is a discussion for a different thread/board.

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I get that we need to be cautious regardless, but trying to graft one's own religion onto this phenomenon, and then deciding not to act because of religion, is the absolute wrong way to go about this. Personal religious beliefs should not affect our collective, scientific pursuit of truth, whatever that truth may be. Especially when it pertains to an issue of this magnitude.

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You mean like covid? Because that definitely became its own religion.

Welcome to your government in 2024.

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Listen to what he says. None of what you are bringing up is in there. As I said, he is more urging caution (as he should) about the possibility of malevolent actors being enabled.
As far as beings from other planes/dimensions of existence, you may want to really look at what has come out. Over and over again the NHI has been referred to as not necessarily ETs. The discussion of inter-dimensional has crept more and more into the discussions during and after the hearings.
As far as religious belief hindering scientific advance: you are creating conflict and friction where it does not exist. Science was born out of the search for truth and that we as humans are capable of understanding the workings of creation. That was born in religion. But that is a discussion for a different thread/board.

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Burchett literally answers that "as a Christian" he's worried that "a growing community" is engaging the phenomenon with "seances and things" and "opening themselves to demonic suggestion." He's not JUST "urging caution about the possibility of malevolent actors being enabled." That's part of it, yes, but he - and others, he claims - are also clearly uncomfortable because they're afraid they might be summoning literal demons.

That said, I'm not just referring to Burchett's words in this one video. As I've noted before, Lue Elizondo has expressed the same frustrations multiple times, echoing that there's a contingent in the government who are straight up afraid to engage with the phenomenon for religious reasons. And I'm simply saying it sucks that we're potentially being held back from pursuing whatever answers we might find because of the personal religious beliefs of a few people in power.

That's all.

Also, I take it you haven't read a majority of this thread - which I totally get, seeing as we just passed 100 pages - but I've embraced/discussed the "alternate dimension" theory here for a while now. Long before and especially after David Grusch brought it up in his hearing last summer. I'm on your side in that regard.

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I get that we need to be cautious regardless, but trying to graft one's own religion onto this phenomenon, and then deciding not to act because of religion, is the absolute wrong way to go about this. Personal religious beliefs should not affect our collective, scientific pursuit of truth, whatever that truth may be. Especially when it pertains to an issue of this magnitude.

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You mean like covid? Because that definitely became its own religion.

Welcome to your government in 2024.

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Once again, thank you for being such an enlightened voice of reason when it comes to our government, and bestowing us with your many gems of knowledge in that regard.

Before you came along we had no idea our elected officials were capable of such incompetence and misguided group think.

But now we do!

Can you ever not be a dick?

ETA since you insist on being combative.

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Before you came along we had no idea our elected officials were capable of such incompetence and misguided group think.

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Speaking of group think, many on this board were all aboard the covid train and mocked others who rightly questioned it. So yes, I believe it was worth pointing out in regards to our government's actions.

I ask the same thing every single time you post. You think I'm a d*ck and I think you're a d*ck. So I guess we're just a couple of d*cks, and at least we have that in common.

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We're never going to get anywhere if we're dealing with a bunch of government officials who think these things are actual, biblical demons, and don't want to risk opening up a portal hell or whatever.

Then again, on the bright side, as I've said before, I don't think disclosure will go through these people regardless...

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I really need to rewatch Event Horizon cause that's the exact plot, lol.

I always mix up Event Horizon and Sphere, I've only seen one of them, and I can't remember which. Seeing as I have no recollection of that being a plot point, I assume EH is the one I didn't see. Sounds like I need to remedy that.

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I always mix up Event Horizon and Sphere, I've only seen one of them, and I can't remember which. Seeing as I have no recollection of that being a plot point, I assume EH is the one I didn't see. Sounds like I need to remedy that.

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It's actually not a bad Sci fi movie, and actually somewhat unique in tackling Sci fi through a religious lens (it's by no means a religious movie lol, it's R rated and Laurence fishburne is in it).

Worth a watch, but don't expect award level fare. It's a solid 7/10 from me.

DMT trippers in a group setting have - across time and environment and in many cases - described the same "entities" and "scenes."

Like blindfolded people walking around a large animal, feeling it, and subjectively describing an objective reality.

Same with clinically dead people returning to describing objects on the roof and conversations.

So, regardless of religious context, evidence is solid for transcendent reality, including entities. Next, it's easy to get to angels (messengers) and fallen angels / satans (accusers). Why? Because these have appeared in so many cultural contexts across time and environment.

With respect to the topic of government officials' religious beliefs about demons (and by extension angels), I will summarize C.S. Lewis' arguments briefly. Christianity is, by definition, concerned at its core with the intrusion of the Supernatural into the Natural world. All of the miracles found in the Bible, from the creation of Nature to the Resurrection, are examples of the Supernatural accomplishing things which are "outside" of the laws of Nature. A belief in angels and demons as created beings distinct from man is not incompatible with Christian belief. In fact, Christianity pretty much requires it.

I only make this point here to (1) support the NHI theory that the beings we're really dealing with could be Supernatural ones rather than Natural beings like ourselves, and (2) refute the notion that Christians who believe in literal demons are crazier than Christians who do not. The Religion & Philosophy board would be a more appropriate place to get into a deeper discussion.

For further support of this view, check out "The Unseen Realm" by Heiser.

Heiser is very important here as a careful scholar.
- elohims summary PDF
https://www.docdroid.net/mZZGrH3/elohim-pdf
- another summary
https://www.logos.com/grow/who-are-elohim/

In short, Logos is God of gods, some of whom are faithful to His court and some are fallen.
Not all are angels / demons.

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With respect to the topic of government officials' religious beliefs about demons (and by extension angels), I will summarize C.S. Lewis' arguments briefly. Christianity is, by definition, concerned at its core with the intrusion of the Supernatural into the Natural world. All of the miracles found in the Bible, from the creation of Nature to the Resurrection, are examples of the Supernatural accomplishing things which are "outside" of the laws of Nature. A belief in angels and demons as created beings distinct from man is not incompatible with Christian belief. In fact, Christianity pretty much requires it.

I only make this point here to (1) support the NHI theory that the beings we're really dealing with could be Supernatural ones rather than Natural beings like ourselves, and (2) refute the notion that Christians who believe in literal demons are crazier than Christians who do not. The Religion & Philosophy board would be a more appropriate place to get into a deeper discussion.

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Just to be crystal clear, I'm not calling anyone crazy for believing in demons.

Same as Christians believe in supernatural angels and demons from heaven and hell, I believe in the possibility of "good" and "bad" entities from potential alternate dimensions/frequencies/planes of existence.

In my opinion, if any of this is real, as I've stated before, it very well could all be the same thing, just interpreted through different lenses, through religion vs science, etc.

I'm merely lamenting the idea that choosing to view the phenomenon through a religious lens could be keeping certain people with power from pursuing the truth. I'm not chastising them for their beliefs, I'm chastising them for not taking action based on their beliefs. The former doesn't affect me, while the latter potentially could.

There is some interesting data regarding Lucifer out there. An extraterrestrial.

Burchett believes consensus in Congress is that UFOs are non-human intelligence.

Well, as my favorite rock lyricist famously said, "if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." Those Christian officials who are choosing to not engage with NHI because they believe them to be demons are taking action based on their religious beliefs, passively if not actively. My response to them would be "don't cower, but rather prove your faith that God is greater by engaging them!" So we're on the same side there.

This is reminding me of Childhood's End. Great book and good miniseries on SyFy. Maybe Arthur C Clarke was on to something…

Childhood's End https://g.co/kgs/7Uh9vFu

"Alien overlords have peacefully invaded Earth, promising to usher in an era of peace, health and security by eliminating poverty, war and sickness. There are questions, however, about the overlords and their intentions, such as why they insist on hiding their appearance and what they ultimately want from the people of Earth. While most people enjoy their new utopia, some suspect that there will be a price to pay. As the overlords' true intentions are unravelled, humanity realises that its destiny may be more of a nightmare than a dream. This miniseries is adapted from Arthur C. Clarke's 1953 book of the same name."

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This is reminding me of Childhood's End. Great book and good miniseries on SyFy. Maybe Arthur C Clarke was on to something…

Childhood's End https://g.co/kgs/7Uh9vFu

"Alien overlords have peacefully invaded Earth, promising to usher in an era of peace, health and security by eliminating poverty, war and sickness. There are questions, however, about the overlords and their intentions, such as why they insist on hiding their appearance and what they ultimately want from the people of Earth. While most people enjoy their new utopia, some suspect that there will be a price to pay. As the overlords' true intentions are unravelled, humanity realises that its destiny may be more of a nightmare than a dream. This miniseries is adapted from Arthur C. Clarke's 1953 book of the same name."

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this is on my Mt. Rushmore of science fiction. Clarke was a brilliant writer!

SciFi Ruchmore:
Asimov
Clarke
Bradbury
Heinlein

Alternatives:
Lovecraft
Herbert
Tolkien

Edit to add: Robert E Howard (who was penpals with Lovecraft, and also wrote a ton of Cthulhu stuff), is considered the father of sword & fantasy sci-fi, so maybe he has a place somewhere.

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Well, as my favorite rock lyricist famously said, "if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." Those Christian officials who are choosing to not engage with NHI because they believe them to be demons are taking action based on their religious beliefs, passively if not actively. My response to them would be "don't cower, but rather prove your faith that God is greater by engaging them!" So we're on the same side there.

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It can be a very troubling issue for some. Trust me. It takes time...

Rep. Burchett joins News Nation to discuss solar eclipse, UAPs

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There is some interesting data regarding Lucifer out there. An extraterrestrial.

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the cub scout den mothers won't be happy

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SciFi Ruchmore:
Asimov
Clarke
Bradbury
Heinlein

Alternatives:
Lovecraft
Herbert
Tolkien

Edit to add: Robert E Howard (who was penpals with Lovecraft, and also wrote a ton of Cthulhu stuff), is considered the father of sword & fantasy sci-fi, so maybe he has a place somewhere.

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SciFi and Fantasy are two separate genres in my opinion. Outside of Penthouse Letters I don't read much fantasy.

My SciFi Rushmore
Clarke
Asimov
Dick
Heinlein

Yeah, I sorta think the same, that's why I put REH, Lovecraft, Tolkien as alternatives…

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