*** THE WHITE LOTUS *** (Season 2)

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Do y'all think Greg ended up getting the money since she died with the prenup in place? Or will there be an investigation that will bleed into Season 3? Mike White hinted at the latter in the After the Episode interview, but I could totally see him just moving on and starting a new adventure.

And along those lines, do you think Cameron's "next year- the Maldives!" toast will pan out? Mike White said he would like to do Season 3 with an eastern religion theme. So curious. Can't wait!
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I enjoyed Season 1 a little more but thought this was a good season. I love Jennifer Coolidge but her character was painful to watch- always out of it, mentally and physically unstable, and always in push up bra and obvious spandex...an uncomfortable existence for sure.

Now I get why Greg was so upset to see Portia was there. Portia would be by her side and foil things. The gays were alerted and the "nephew" brought in to woo her at first meeting. The pool was a scouting mission.

What was the significance of the head statue shattering in the hotel room? They showed that thing in every hotel room or scene change, it felt like.
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Chuck Cunningham said:

Big Slice said:

Daphne and Cam also mentioned the Maldives next

Sicily didn't do much for me in terms of creating a vacation itch.

Maldives definitely would.


You're crazy. I thought Sicily looked incredible.
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In the first episode, when they were checking in, they said something about a legend of a cheater getting his head cut off.
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deer corn said:

I enjoyed Season 1 a little more but thought this was a good season. I love Jennifer Coolidge but her character was painful to watch- always out of it, mentally and physically unstable, and always in push up bra and obvious spandex...an uncomfortable existence for sure.

Now I get why Greg was so upset to see Portia was there. Portia would be by her side and foil things. The gays were alerted and the "nephew" brought in to woo her at first meeting. The pool was a scouting mission.

What was the significance of the head statue shattering in the hotel room? They showed that thing in every hotel room or scene change, it felt like.



They explained the head statue in the first episode. It breaking was symbolic.
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Chuck Cunningham said:

Sazerac said:

Doesn't do a thing for me. Def a great hot/not contestant.
Have you seen her in other things?

And did you notice after the bedroom incident, she looked noticeably prettier?


catching up on thread. I noticed this as well.

also thought to myself last night that Albie got progressively more handsome and less dorky as the show went on. Would have to rewatch to pinpoint when, but I assume its due to the confidence he got from Lucia.
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TCTTS said:

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So season 3 is Greg off to a White Lotus property in Asia, spending his newly inherited money?! And Connie Britton (confirmed for season 3) the author, starts to put the pieces of the long con together?? I'm in.


I think Greg gets busted and doesn't get the inheritance. Tanya and the guys on the yacht all showing up dead the same morning will prompt investigators to wonder if they're related. Then you have lots of witnesses who saw Tanya hanging out with the dead guys (at the hotel, at the opera, at the party). You have 4 living conspirators (the one who stayed at the house, the one who jumped in the water, the yacht captain, and Jack) who could start talking. There is the photo of Quentin and Greg together. Greg has the clearest motive as he was set to inherit the $500MM. They'll check electronic records and dig into Quentin and Greg's history together in the US. Portia may talk. There's no way Greg gets away with it.

Plus Portia knows the broad strokes of the entire ruse. In addition to the plethora of evidence they have, all the authorities have to do is interview her, then connect the dots of her story. Either way, agreed that there's no way Greg gets away with it.
no way Portia gets into any of that.

did you see how casual she was when she was being kidnapped and when she realized Tanya was about to be killed?? she didnt do ANYTHING

my guess is she gets home and pretends like she never knew Tanya existed
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M.C. Swag said:

Just finished a rewatch and got-damn this show is good. The part at the end when Cameron and Daphne see Ethan and Harper at dinner and go sit at their table is sooooo freaking juicy. I'm squirming on my couch and cringing at the INSANE absurdity that these people would still carry on like friends. Like, S1 was really good but S2 was masterclass storytelling. Mike White better clean up all the awards cuz this show was brilliant. And if nothing else, storytelling, at its core, is supposed to a) entertain and b) make you feel things; this season delivered both in spades.

After rewatching the finale I can't help but think this might be one of the singularly best seasons of TV ever made.
agree!

that line at that dinner "finally get to properly know you" or whatever it was


YIKES
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Favorite Tanya line. She's on the yacht looking for help on the upcoming dinghy trip. So maybe one of the "high-end gays" will join her. She says "What about Didier or what's-his-face" right in front of the quiet Hugo. She doesn't even know his name, nor care to ask him directly.
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Her whole spiel to the non English speaking captain of the boat was awesome.
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gigemJTH12 said:

TCTTS said:

Ogre09 said:

Big Al 1992 said:

So season 3 is Greg off to a White Lotus property in Asia, spending his newly inherited money?! And Connie Britton (confirmed for season 3) the author, starts to put the pieces of the long con together?? I'm in.


I think Greg gets busted and doesn't get the inheritance. Tanya and the guys on the yacht all showing up dead the same morning will prompt investigators to wonder if they're related. Then you have lots of witnesses who saw Tanya hanging out with the dead guys (at the hotel, at the opera, at the party). You have 4 living conspirators (the one who stayed at the house, the one who jumped in the water, the yacht captain, and Jack) who could start talking. There is the photo of Quentin and Greg together. Greg has the clearest motive as he was set to inherit the $500MM. They'll check electronic records and dig into Quentin and Greg's history together in the US. Portia may talk. There's no way Greg gets away with it.

Plus Portia knows the broad strokes of the entire ruse. In addition to the plethora of evidence they have, all the authorities have to do is interview her, then connect the dots of her story. Either way, agreed that there's no way Greg gets away with it.
no way Portia gets into any of that.

did you see how casual she was when she was being kidnapped and when she realized Tanya was about to be killed?? she didnt do ANYTHING

my guess is she gets home and pretends like she never knew Tanya existed


Portia's not going to have a choice in the matter. There are employment records, flight records, hotel records, etc. The authorities would 100% track her down to interview her. She'd literally be the lead "witness," and the single most valuable subject, in the entire investigation.
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The problem with all of the investigation talk and why Greg would definitely inherit is that while Tanya was the subject of a murder plot, she actually died via accident. Who is doing an investigation into Greg?

So the Italian government is probably investigating the murders on the boat. Maybe the do finger prints and identify that there are a few prints besides the bodies. Maybe the Captain is still around to talk and he tells what happens. But she still died hitting her head falling off, so case closed. I don't see a scenario where the investigation makes it way back to Portia in the US, and then certainly not Greg.
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Squirrel Master said:

The problem with all of the investigation talk and why Greg would definitely inherit is that while Tanya was the subject of a murder plot, she actually died via accident. Who is doing an investigation into Greg?

So the Italian government is probably investigating the murders on the boat. Maybe the do finger prints and identify that there are a few prints besides the bodies. Maybe the Captain is still around to talk and he tells what happens. But she still died hitting her head falling off, so case closed. I don't see a scenario where the investigation makes it way back to Portia in the US, and then certainly not Greg.


They will definitely connect the deaths. Found bodies the same morning. Tanya obviously hadn't been swimming, how did she end up in the water? She was on the yacht too where a bunch of guys were shot. And here's the gun, and here's the dead woman's fingerprints on the gun. And she got hit in the head. WTH is going on here? No one would think she died in a simple accident.

Even if the Italian cops were intentionally bad at investigating, there would be enough interested parties in the US who would push for a resolution. I definitely think Greg will get roped into being complicit in the crime.
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what if Greg hauls ass from the US to avoid the investigation and thats how he ends up in Japan or where the next season is?
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Chuck Cunningham said:

She made me laugh how she went out.
I guess jumping feet first into the Ionian Sea -

and then climbing into a boat was a bridge too far for Tanya to think up...
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LMCane said:

Chuck Cunningham said:

She made me laugh how she went out.
I guess jumping feet first into the Ionian Sea -

and then climbing into a boat was a bridge too far for Tanya to think up...
Or take the ladder
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chico said:

Portia didn't Uber to Taormina after being dumped nor inquire with Albie about the drowning after being told.

Did Ethan and Daphne do it on that island?
yes they did

portia has always been a weenie and she decided to do what jack told her to just stay out of it and run away
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Chuck Cunningham said:

LMCane said:

Chuck Cunningham said:

She made me laugh how she went out.
I guess jumping feet first into the Ionian Sea -

and then climbing into a boat was a bridge too far for Tanya to think up...
Or take the ladder
I'm guessing she is unfamiliar with how ladders on yachts work

or I should say "was"..

on the other hand, in reality the gheys would have knocked her off long before.

why wait until the last night and a return to the hotel with ropes and a pistol- when they could have had her taken out in the drug party and made it look like an OD accident?!?!
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LMCane said:

Chuck Cunningham said:

LMCane said:

Chuck Cunningham said:

She made me laugh how she went out.
I guess jumping feet first into the Ionian Sea -

and then climbing into a boat was a bridge too far for Tanya to think up...
Or take the ladder
I'm guessing she is unfamiliar with how ladders on yachts work

or I should say "was"..

on the other hand, in reality the gheys would have knocked her off long before.

why wait until the last night and a return to the hotel with ropes and a pistol- when they could have had her taken out in the drug party and made it look like an OD accident?!?!


Because then whoever supplied the drugs might be criminally liable
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Some are applying American investigation standards. Sicily is very corrupt and these guys were connected. A lady with alcohol and coke in her system killed some powerful locals and drowned. That's probably as far as this goes
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Objective Aggie said:

Really loved the entire season.

What I don't understand is why in some cases White takes you right up to edge and then doesn't tell you what happened. Why not tell us if Harper and Cam got together or what happened with Daphne on the island.

Obviously it is heavily inferred in both cases. But why leave it open ended. Using the same tactics you could have just left Tanya falling overboard and then not told us she drowned.
obviously you have never seen the final episode of Sopranos...
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DannyDuberstein said:

It brings into question whether she was a mark the entire time, and I think she probably was.
you are undetermined as to a guy who is in much better shape than Tanya, but was just a shlub

who then becomes a cold blooded conspiratorial murderer might have just been going after a rich and insane mark the entire time?

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Squirrel Master said:

The problem with all of the investigation talk and why Greg would definitely inherit is that while Tanya was the subject of a murder plot, she actually died via accident. Who is doing an investigation into Greg?

So the Italian government is probably investigating the murders on the boat. Maybe the do finger prints and identify that there are a few prints besides the bodies. Maybe the Captain is still around to talk and he tells what happens. But she still died hitting her head falling off, so case closed. I don't see a scenario where the investigation makes it way back to Portia in the US, and then certainly not Greg.
the ultimate irony is that Greg gets the money, gets rid of his insane wife, and his co-conspirators are all taken out as well..

winning at life!
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LMCane said:

Squirrel Master said:

The problem with all of the investigation talk and why Greg would definitely inherit is that while Tanya was the subject of a murder plot, she actually died via accident. Who is doing an investigation into Greg?

So the Italian government is probably investigating the murders on the boat. Maybe the do finger prints and identify that there are a few prints besides the bodies. Maybe the Captain is still around to talk and he tells what happens. But she still died hitting her head falling off, so case closed. I don't see a scenario where the investigation makes it way back to Portia in the US, and then certainly not Greg.
the ultimate irony is that Greg gets the money, gets rid of his insane wife, and his co-conspirators are all taken out as well..

winning at life!
yep. he likely completely won this.

weird that they let the unknown guy who seems to be a POS win the whole sweepstakes.

makes me think he gets his in Season 3
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Portia is a loose end for Greg.

Portia knows Greg's involvement (via her final call with Tanya on the yacht).

Even though I still believe the American authorities would seek out Portia and interview her themselves, fearing for her life, Portia would almost assuredly go to the American authorities upon landing. She has an entire international flight to realize that Greg might very well try to silence her, especially considering they live in the same city. Hell, she's eventually going to tell Albie everything she's pieced together, and *he'd* no doubt go to the authorities, finally getting to play the hero protector he was (literally) robbed of by Lucia.

Either way, Greg's not getting away with it, unless he somehow manages to kill Portia too, himself, before she talks. Which I don't see him having the stomach to do.
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Are there other loose ends? What about the captain and the guy that jumped overboard?

My biggest question is just how much more play does this story line get? I'm almost thinking we are left to wonder for ourselves what happens with Greg and they don't address it at all in Season 3 and move on to something different. Or maybe there are a few crossover characters and they address it with a few lines of dialogue and move on.

I just get this impression that these seasons are meant to be more stand alone and not have much crossover. If they continue plots through various seasons it becomes more of a standard drama than a miniseries.
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Phrasing said:

Are there other loose ends? What about the captain and the guy that jumped overboard?

My biggest question is just how much more play does this story line get? I'm almost thinking we are left to wonder for ourselves what happens with Greg and they don't address it at all in Season 3 and move on to something different. Or maybe there are a few crossover characters and they address it with a few lines of dialogue and move on.

I just get this impression that these seasons are meant to be more stand alone and not have much crossover. If they continue plots through various seasons it becomes more of a standard drama than a miniseries.

I hope we don't see any more of that story line. Let's move on.
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Agreed, we will get an update on Greg equal to the update we got on the kid who went canoeing.
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Phrasing said:

Are there other loose ends? What about the captain and the guy that jumped overboard?

My biggest question is just how much more play does this story line get? I'm almost thinking we are left to wonder for ourselves what happens with Greg and they don't address it at all in Season 3 and move on to something different. Or maybe there are a few crossover characters and they address it with a few lines of dialogue and move on.

I just get this impression that these seasons are meant to be more stand alone and not have much crossover. If they continue plots through various seasons it becomes more of a standard drama than a miniseries.

I'm not at all advocating that we get any more of this plot line in season three, and would be willing to bet that we don't. I'm simply arguing the most likely scenario(s) past what we see of season two.
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Ah! Sorry, misinterpreted your post. Yeah I agree, I think that's all for Tanya/Greg as well.

With that said - do yall think we get any crossover or does Mike start completely new? I know someone mentioned maybe Connie Britton coming back. Wonder if that family is still together.

I would love to get a Laura Dern character at some point. She was apparently Dom's wife in this season though - that was her voice on the phone when she was chewing his ass out. (SIAP). She is a favorite of Mike White.
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I don't even want the Daphne Cam Ethan Harper characters to spill over.

It was great but part of White Lotus is trying to figure out these characters episodic over episode.

Tanya was different because she is full of unintentional comedy.
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I really like the idea of one or two guests from a previous season making it to the next season, and I hope White continues that trend.
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oragator said:

Her whole spiel to the non English speaking captain of the boat was awesome.


Totti gay.
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TCTTS said:

I really like the idea of one or two guests from a previous season making it to the next season, and I hope White continues that trend.



If done right, I agree. I like a familiar thread even if it's subtle carrying some nostalgia forward. Make use of it.
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Not to beat a dead horse, but someone explain to me how this woman is a butterface.

 
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