Yeah, I had the same feeling when I thought, ah man it is about to end, and then it just kept on rolling on for another 30 minutes.

Also, I guess I still have missed the importance of her father and why his misdeeds make his daughter such a hot topic for the paparazzi. Who is he and what does he do that makes him such a big story?

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Have you started season two yet? It's the same nihilistic vibe, no doubt, but I found it to be more accessible, and even better, than season one. The leap from season one to season two is "good" to "fantastic," IMO.

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I binged season 2 this weekend, I would totally agree it goes from good to great in that season. I was able to pace myself a little bit with season 1, but season 2 was so good I couldn't stop. The characters have a little more emotional range, they're a little more vulnerable, what's going on at the firm is a little more interesting as well. You can find things to feel sorry about for the characters, but not necessarily find them to be redeemable. I think I have the most issues when the story does anything with Harper at the center. I know she's the protagonist but things just always feel off with her, whenever she's with any other character I'm more drawn to them than her. It's hard to explain, I don't dislike the actress playing her, it's like her character itself is the turnoff for me.

Great to hear.

Also, you'll be happy to know that, two episodes in, Harper is basically now the third if not fourth lead in season three. I have a feeling that will change, but for now at least it seems the creative team agreed that having Harper at the center of the show had run its course.

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Yeah this season has been very strong and I am into all the story threads completely.

Also Yasmin totally killed her father and Harper helped her dispose of the body, right?!?

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Re: that final flashback scene, I went from thinking "Holy crap she's about to kill her father" (even if accidentally) to "Holy crap are they about to make out? No no no no no no!" I was physically cringing.

At this point, though, I think the she-killed-him ship has sailed (no pun intended). I feel like if they were going to go that route, that was the scene to do it. But I could of course be wrong.

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veryfuller said:

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Yeah this season has been very strong and I am into all the story threads completely.

Also Yasmin totally killed her father and Harper helped her dispose of the body, right?!?

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Re: that final flashback scene, I went from thinking "Holy crap she's about to kill her father" (even if accidentally) to "Holy crap are they about to make out? No no no no no no!" I was physically cringing.

At this point, though, I think the she-killed-him ship has sailed (no pun intended). I feel like if they were going to go that route, that was the scene to do it. But I could of course be wrong.

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They buried the lede on the yacht confrontation until episode 2, I could see a situation where that happens. Does Rob get the big house from the Melon lady via her will?

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Also, I guess I still have missed the importance of her father and why his misdeeds make his daughter such a hot topic for the paparazzi. Who is he and what does he do that makes him such a big story?

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Though he's obviously wealthy and highly connected, I don't necessarily think it's her *father* who's important, but rather the magnitude of his embezzlement - and more importantly, who he embezzled from - that's caused his particular crime to become such big news. That said, I admit that the press focusing on his daughter so much does seem a little far-fetched, but I'm rolling with it for now.

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TCTTS said:

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Yeah this season has been very strong and I am into all the story threads completely.

Also Yasmin totally killed her father and Harper helped her dispose of the body, right?!?

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Re: that final flashback scene, I went from thinking "Holy crap she's about to kill her father" (even if accidentally) to "Holy crap are they about to make out? No no no no no no!" I was physically cringing.

At this point, though, I think the she-killed-him ship has sailed (no pun intended). I feel like if they were going to go that route, that was the scene to do it. But I could of course be wrong.

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They buried the lede on the yacht confrontation until episode 2, I could see a situation where that happens. Does Rob get the big house from the Melon lady via her will?

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That's an interesting idea, but I'd be surprised if so. Especially now knowing she has a family.

Then again, that could make for some interesting drama there.

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VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

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TCTTS said:

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veryfuller said:

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Yeah this season has been very strong and I am into all the story threads completely.

Also Yasmin totally killed her father and Harper helped her dispose of the body, right?!?

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Re: that final flashback scene, I went from thinking "Holy crap she's about to kill her father" (even if accidentally) to "Holy crap are they about to make out? No no no no no no!" I was physically cringing.

At this point, though, I think the she-killed-him ship has sailed (no pun intended). I feel like if they were going to go that route, that was the scene to do it. But I could of course be wrong.

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They buried the lede on the yacht confrontation until episode 2, I could see a situation where that happens. Does Rob get the big house from the Melon lady via her will?

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That's an interesting idea, but I'd be surprised if so. Especially now knowing she has a family.

Then again, that could make for some interesting drama there.

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The reason I brought it up was because Rob said something about a big house in episode 1 Rob said he had bitten off more than he could chew with this house and he is broke. I dont know if he means the house where everyone was staying or if he was jokingly saying he had paid for her crib.

My guess would be the one where everyone is staying.

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My guess would be the one where everyone is staying.

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Gotcha.

They just ended the scene tho by flashing back to present with her drinking wine. We didn't see it end. We then see her crying on the dock and I think are meant to think she is just crying about the confrontation, but I think more will be revealed from that scene. I fully think she killed him.

You could be right.

To me, though, these first two episodes felt very much like one long story/movie. Episode two began the second episode one ended, episode one started with the yacht flashback, episode two ended with the yacht flashback, etc. Structurally, it just felt like that loop was closed, and that we're not going to keep getting flashbacks.

That said, I suppose they could stop with the flashbacks but still reveal later in the season that she killed him. I just don't know if that's the kind of show this is, and IMO could risk being too reminiscent of the train wreck that was Friday Night Lights season two, when Landry and Tyra killed that dude.

Then again, I guess if any show could pull it off it's this one.

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You could be right.

To me, though, these first two episodes felt very much like one long story/movie. Episode two began the second episode one ended, episode one started with the yacht flashback, episode two ended with the yacht flashback, etc. Structurally, it just felt like that loop was closed, and that we're not going to keep getting flashbacks.

That said, I suppose they could stop with the flashbacks but still reveal later in the season that she killed him. I just don't know if that's the kind of show this is, and IMO could risk being too reminiscent of the train wreck that was Friday Night Lights season two, when Landry and Tyra killed that dude.

Then again, I guess if any show could pull it off it's this one.

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The scene where Harper tells Yaz to stop crying at the end of the episode seemed to mean something. And I noticed Yaz didnt have wine stains on her. Could have been nothing, Harper has a low social IQ or it could have been something bigger where Harper is involved.

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Great to hear.

Also, you'll be happy to know that, two episodes in, Harper is basically now the third if not fourth lead in season three. I have a feeling that will change, but for now at least it seems the creative team agreed that having Harper at the center of the show had run its course.

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Good to know. That would be a cool pivot, and more like Succession. In season one I really didn't care for Robert or Yasmin, but in season two they grew on me. Both of them are more interesting to me than Harper, even her story with her brother just fell flat. I enjoyed Gus's story a lot, he's probably been my favorite character so far, David Johnson was also so damn good in Alien: Romulus, playing two characters effectively. All that being said, I do think Harper is an excellent foil to the other characters. She definitely has a place in the show and I don't want her gone, I'd just prefer less focus on her.

Yeah, that's a good catch. Interesting...

Unfortunately, for whatever reason, David Jonsson isn't in season three. At least not yet, but he wasn't in any of the trailers either. Really hoping they're saving him as a surprise, but I'm not hopeful.

Just did some quick research and he apparently bowed out due to scheduling conflicts. He says he still loves the show, though, and doesn't rule out coming back for a future season.

Ok, gotcha. I just wasn't sure if I missed something since it seems like she can't have a moment of peace without someone taking a picture of her.

Yeah, I'm in the Robert camp. That guy, his gf, and Rish are the only characters with redeeming qualities.

I do wish they would show some of the IB division in this show vs just Sales & Trading. If I remember they did some of this in S1 but not very much.

I also find the Pierpoint CEO instantly makes any scene 10x more entertaining when he shows up.

Oh and Harper sucks. Pisses me off that she consistently ****s up the tasks that are "beneath her".

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Yeah, I'm in the Robert camp. That guy, his gf, and Rish are the only characters with redeeming qualities.

I do wish they would show some of the IB division in this show vs just Sales & Trading. If I remember they did some of this in S1 but not very much.

I also find the Pierpoint CEO instantly makes any scene 10x more entertaining when he shows up.

Oh and Harper sucks. Pisses me off that she consistently ****s up the tasks that are "beneath her".

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I think they are showing how human Harper is as someone who comes from a different world. She is obviously very intelligent and can solve complex problems but she also struggles with the everyday challenges likely as a result of trauma. She has a superiority complex while also feeling vastly inferior. She is cold blooded that is for sure.

One thing I don't really get is how the higher ups are always pushing that they need to do any and everything to move the needle and make some money. Then as soon as one of the younger ones does something, alla the pictures and Harper knowing Pierpoints weakness, the higher up is then appalled and can't understand why they would do that.

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One thing I don't really get is how the higher ups are always pushing that they need to do any and everything to move the needle and make some money. Then as soon as one of the younger ones does something, alla the pictures and Harper knowing Pierpoints weakness, the higher up is then appalled and can't understand why they would do that.

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Yea the "we have ethics here" by Eric and the blonde lady is eye rolling but I think it is there to show Harper will do anything it takes to be successful as she has no ethics or integrity.

Eric is the toughest for me to figure out. Lots of Harper-esque sociopathic behavior ready to **** over anyone or anything in his way vs times where he knows there is an ethical line as well as trying to be an actual mentor that seems legitimate. I think he is a sociopath that at least tries to be human at times and knows there is a line. Whereas Harper is pure sociopath all the time and does not give a damn about the line. She will manipulate and roll over absolutely anyone to get what she wants.

I'm kind of hoping Petra's boyfriend Barry will jump out from behind a garage pillar and pop Harper

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Eric is the toughest for me to figure out. Lots of Harper-esque sociopathic behavior ready to **** over anyone or anything in his way vs times where he knows there is an ethical line as well as trying to be an actual mentor that seems legitimate. I think he is a sociopath that at least tries to be human at times and knows there is a line. Whereas Harper is pure sociopath all the time and does not give a damn about the line. She will manipulate and roll over absolutely anyone to get what she wants.

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I think Eric is pretty easy to see through. He sees Harper as a kindred spirit, they're both outsiders to the people they work with, they're not pedigreed, they just work to get where they want. I think he sees himself as her mentor and her his protege, but that's only true to an extent. When it's very clear that she has her own ideas and didn't learn everything from him she's less valuable to him, and in reality she is his competition. He's more cognizant of where the line is, Harper isn't there yet. It's a zero-sum game when he's already hit the glass ceiling. They're basically the same person, they have difficulty existing in the same space. One thing I couldn't figure out at the end of season 2 is whether he ratted her out to HR about not finishing her degree or if they just figured it out and he had to escort her down there, feels like he told them to get even with her.

I did watch the first 2 episodes of season 3 last night so I'm caught up now. With the flashbacks with Yaz and her dad on the boat I definitely think he's dead and she's hiding it. I don't know that I think she killed him like I've heard theorized, I could see it being more of a situation where he did something while drunk, she could have saved him, but just let him die. That seems like something she would do, just passively allow a death but not have initiated it.

Kit Herrington's character is interesting to me. He's young, already a Sir, runs in the most elite of social circles, and deep down is probably an idealistic idiot who has a different idea about himself than everyone around him does. Creating a green-energy company built on questionable at best financials, and more likely outright fraud. Watching the house of cards crumbling down would make for a good season, especially with Pierpoint and Harper being on different sides.

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One thing I don't really get is how the higher ups are always pushing that they need to do any and everything to move the needle and make some money. Then as soon as one of the younger ones does something, alla the pictures and Harper knowing Pierpoints weakness, the higher up is then appalled and can't understand why they would do that.

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They talked about this a bit on the latest episode of The Watch podcast, and had an interesting theory. Basically, it's not that the younger ones cross the line, it's that the younger ones find ways to get things done that the higher ups either never would have thought of or simply don't have the skills to pull off. Basically, it's pure jealousy, which the higher ups only know how to express via a talking down to/slap on the wrist, using the only thing they have to lord over the younger ones, which is their authority.

Just finished binging seasons 1 and 2 over the last couple weeks and caught up on season 3. The sex and drugs were a little over the top, especially season 1 where it was a hookup every 4 mins. Got to the point where I was just over it and wanted to get along with the actually storylines.

Having said that, I really like the show. And Harper became one of the most unlikable characters ever after thinking at the beginning that she would be who I rooted for. They did a nice job with that. I think rishi and Eric are the most interesting characters on the show. Hope they do a deeper dive on them at some point.

And I agree with the others that said something happened with her dad and Harper knows about it. Her short conversation about not crying was very odd.

The story of Yasmin's dad seems to be loosely based on Robert Maxwell

Hopefully Yaz doesn't end up like Ghislaine!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell

Anyone looking for their Succession fix, this is about as close as any episode will ever come, in both vibe and quality.

Good gosh this show is on fire right now.

What a run to start the season.

Also, I can't tell if some of you were spot on in your Yaz-killed-dad prediction, or if they only want us to think they're going there. Because they straight up name-checked it tonight via DJ ******bag, and Harper's reaction (if she was an accomplice) was very suspicious. Is it a fake out, though? Either way, I truly thought we were past the yacht at as a plot point, but clearly we aren't, so props to those who at least said there was likely more there.

The last scene where Harper and Petra's new fund was meeting with Eric and Yas was freaking awesome TV. I'm not the biggest Harper fan.. and have been happy with the direction of the show (Harper not so much the leading character).. but that scene was fire. The way she spoke to Eric and pointing out the glitter on his face.. I had to rewatch it twice to get the full depth out of that scene.


I realize this probably throws Harper back more in a lead character role. But that dynamic between pierpoint and this new fund will be interesting going forward.


Hands down one of the best on tv right now.

Another solid episode. Love how fast-paced it is and how much plot they burn through. Funniest line for me was Robert and Eric sharing a bed in their hotel room and Eric with the under-eye things on saying "we need to spend as little time in this hotel room as possible." Next week's episode looks to ratchet things up to eleven. Can't wait!

Right there with you. Not a huge Harper fan, but that was such a great scene. What an ending.