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*** THE PERIPHERAL *** (Prime Video Series)

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TCTTS
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AgE2theBONE said:

TCTTS said:

I have absolutely no idea what the hell I just watched.

I'm usually really good at understanding, in real time, the more complex sci-fi concepts, time travel in movies, etc. But I'm afraid this is what happens when a complex, multi-timeline, Nolan-esque plot is produced by a Nolan, but lesser writers are left trying execute it. Hell, the Nolans & Joy can barely pull it off themselves sometimes.

Whatever happened this episode, I'm sure I could read about it and I'm sure it was cool, but good gosh, for the dozenth time, learn how to properly provide some context, and how to properly set up payoffs. It also helps to have characters we actually care about, who can keep our attention, earn our empathy, and make us *want* to discover what's going on, but sadly, none of those things ever really happened for me this season.

Couldn't disagree more on all counts. For me, the characters were extremely well done and the plot, while requiring some thought, provided plenty of exposition for the viewer to make sense of what was happening.

I haven't read the novel but definitely plan to now.



This is my exact problem. It was ALL exposition.

Off the top of my head, think of some of the best sci-fi - Star Wars, The Matrix, Dune, etc - and how wardrobe and set design alone are used to instantly differentiate between the good guys and the bad guys, various factions, etc, without any dialogue/exposition whatsoever. That's partly what I'm talking about when I talk about context clues. In The Peripheral, however, EVERYONE in 2099 dressed, talked, and acted the EXACT same. The "Klepts" are meant to be the elite class, yet the "Neoprims," every character at the Research Institute, along with the Metropolitan Police, dressed just as nice, sounded just as snooty, and seemed just as if not even more rich and powerful than the supposed "elite" class. So why not at least make an effort to visually and audibly differentiate between these factions as much as possible, in ways that instantly tell and continue to remind us more about who they are and what they stand for, rather than attempting to do so via endless expositional conversations over tea?

Without rewatching each and every expositional scene two or three times, with subtitles, I never really grasped how each faction related to the other, and who was after what, partly because they all felt, looked, and acted no different than the other. It took my brain, like, four or five episodes to even remember which ones were the "Klepts" and which ones were the "Neoprims," and which was above which on the food chain, etc. If the filmmakers had made even the slightest effort to visually and audibly differentiate between the two, I would have understood it all instantly. For instance, think of the very first *frame* in A New Hope, where a giant, sinister, looming Star Destroyer is chasing down a little ol' Rebel ship, and that's the kind of instant shorthand I'm talking about. Granted, I get that the factions in The Peripheral are more complicated than "evil Empire" and "noble Rebels," but it just felt like all the filmmakers cared about was everyone looking "cool," while continually sounding as vague and pretentious as humanly possible.

I have plenty of other issues, but that one probably sums it all up best. And look, I liked a lot of the show, and I'll probably give season two a shot if there is one, but man, this story has so much potential, and it all could have been so much more effective and compelling with better writers at the helm.
TCTTS
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This review basically sums up my thoughts perfectly...


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"The Creation of a Thousand Forests" isn't the first time in my Peripheral experience that I had to re-watch scenes to make sure I was interpreting its events correctly - but it was the first time I still wasn't entirely sure I had things figured out, even after multiple views.
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... there has to be a point where things come together and the audience is at least somewhat rewarded for puzzling through the story's more maddening moments. (If you stuck with Westworld, you know how that feels.) It's not necessary to spell everything out - it's almost always better when shows don't feel the need to insult their audience by doing that - but there's also the possibility of leaving too many things out of focus. Maybe there was a way to watch The Peripheral and not get hung up on plot points that somehow felt both under-explained and yet crucially important, but that wasn't necessarily my experience, especially in the final episodes.
drmwvr
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In case you missed it, there's more to the final episode after the credits. I'm surprised I caught it (was reading y'all's comments to the finale while the credits were playing).
Madmarttigan
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If you say you understood how any of that went down with Flynn and how she transferred consciousness and the DNA data into an unknown timeline you are full of **** or you know from the book.

This show explained none of it and definitely did not elude to how any of that would be possible in the slightest.

The only mechanism of "time travel" is this Quantum tunneling technology which is a data transfer. How would she transmit her brain so to speak into a new stub that has zero technology introduced.

That was an absolute god awful ending to a season and they didn't even attempt to explain it even in a ****ty manner.
TCTTS
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Madmarttigan
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I may be dumb and never pay attention to these things but that was the most blatant example of Deus ex Machina I've ever noticed in any form of media.

Rocagnante
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I didn't understand either how she transferred her consciousness into that new stub she created but I'm not getting hung up on it and just rolling with it. Time travel plots can get confusing so if I don't understand fully I just accept that it is. Kind of like some math theorems back in college. If they spent more time explaining then there'd probably be people complaining it's too "on the nose".

There's something off about future London…there are very very few people if you think about it. There's never anyone else when they clear the "extras" from the background. I also think it's intentional there are no black hats and white hats. It's all still grey and we'll learn more. Seems like Lowbeer is a white hat but we're not 100% on that yet.

I'm glad Lowbeer and Flynne are teaming up. Hope we get a second season to see them crack some skulls.

Show isn't perfect but still a lot better than a lot of sci-fi put out recently. I'm having a much easier time following along with the plot and characters motivations than final 2 seasons of WestWorld.

Afraid to look up reviews and explanations online because I don't want book spoilers. Are the links posted above spoiler free?
Rocagnante
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And in this universe Texans are the kind of people that would secede and sow a bomb into a dog.
joerobert_pete06
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What did I just watch? When she said she was opening a new stub, I thought she was going back in time again. How did she show up with Lowbeer in a peripheral again?

How did the stolen DNA transfer over?

Why is Cherise freaked out about it?
Madmarttigan
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She is freaked out because she opened a new stub that she has no way of accessing/tracking. Unless she slips up her real body should be protected and she can just focus on working against her in the future. However why would the RI not just follow through and nuke her friends and family in her original stub if she doesn't desist? Also not explained.

That's about the only thing they kind of explained from your questions.

I think it is a rare day that I am more fired up than TC about a show/movie but I actually enjoyed the show up to the finale and feel cheated with the halfassedness of it.
AgE2theBONE
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She is establishing a link between 2099 and herself a year earlier than when the events of this season began. From that point forward, she and the others will proceed along a new timeline, a different stub than the one in which she is killed by Conner.

Madmarttigan
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AgE2theBONE said:

She is establishing a link between 2099 and herself a year earlier than when the events of this season began. From that point forward, she and the others will proceed along a new timeline, a different stub than the one in which she is killed by Conner.




That part is straightforward, the question is HOW. Without cheating and looking up the explanation you can't answer it from the information in the show.

I'm sure they will offer up an explanation next season but it's pretty bad to pull a trump card out like that with no lead up or details on how it's done and it was the season finale that leaves you hanging.
AgE2theBONE
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Madmarttigan said:

AgE2theBONE said:

She is establishing a link between 2099 and herself a year earlier than when the events of this season began. From that point forward, she and the others will proceed along a new timeline, a different stub than the one in which she is killed by Conner.




That part is straightforward, the question is HOW. Without cheating and looking up the explanation you can't answer it from the information in the show.

I'm sure they will offer up an explanation next season but it's pretty bad to pull a trump card out like that with no lead up or details on how it's done and it was the season finale that leaves you hanging.

Yeah, I can. The answer is: The same way it was done the first time. This isn't as complicated as you're making it.
Madmarttigan
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Uhh no idea what you are referring to. Nothing like this was done in the show before.
Formerly tv1113
Rocagnante
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My main hangup: how did the knowledge and the DNA download of the RI secrets in her brain transfer over to the "new Flynne" in the stub she created? Those would have been lost when she was shot.

Not a dealbreaker for me though. Still really liked the season.
TCTTS
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Yeah, I have no clue what he's talking about. It's amazing that no one can explain it.
AgE2theBONE
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Madmarttigan said:

Uhh no idea what you are referring to. Nothing like this was done in the show before.

I'll explain what I mean when I'm off work. Didn't mean it to sound cryptic
Teddy Perkins
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Pretty good summary of the season and finale. Put me in the camp that did not understand much of what happened in the finale.

Also, ThinkStory acknowledges it is not addressed in the show but assumes the data in Flynn's brain is uploaded to the Flynn in the new stub.
concac
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I hate this show but I'm pot committed so I gotta finish it.

This show is all over the place. Neoprims, koids, humans, etc.
javajaws
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Yeah a bit disappointed by the ending. I wonder if they left it vague on purpose? I haven't read the book either so not sure where they might be going with it. Still found it entertaining though....much more than most drivel being put out nowadays.
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javajaws said:

Yeah a bit disappointed by the ending. I wonder if they left it vague on purpose? I haven't read the book either so not sure where they might be going with it. Still found it entertaining though....much more than most drivel being put out nowadays.
The series takes the trappings from Gibson's novel, and some of the scenes and most of the characters, but the villain we've been shown thus far is completely different and I think created for the series.

I assume it's set up that way so they could have multiple seasons and showdowns. In the book Lowbeer is practically godlike and wraps everything up neatly. The series needed a counterbalance to that, and created Cherise Nuland.
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I never really grasped how each faction related to the other, and who was after what, partly because they all felt, looked, and acted no different than the other.
This was all very clearly explained in an earlier episode. All of the factions are toast.

And they are all holding up another piece of toast.
Madmarttigan
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If they were capable of doing this to the DNA data in her brain that means that the Klepts would have likely been able to read it already when she uploads to her peripheral and negate the whole point of Nuland trying to nuke Flynn's timeline to destroy her physical body.

You take something that is supposedly unreachable in her physical body and now you can freely move the DNA information between timelines? Not to mention her entire consciousness?

They introduced some new Godlike power in the end with no explanation.
BJM1781
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She just uploaded her consciousness into the new stub that Cherise won't be able to track utilizing the exact same technology everyone else has used to transfer into a peripheral. I guess they can just overwrite the existing Flynne from that stub.

The RI data in her DNA is a little trickier, but I guess the info is tied to that Flynne's consciousness and not her physical body, thought they certainly made it seem like they could only access the data if they had access to her actual brain. I'm sure they'll explain it away with some sci-fi exposition next season.

Overall, this show is better than most sci-fi currently airing but definitely has room for improvement as many others have stated on this thread. I'll be watching season 2.
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Just finished the season finale.

When the trailer for this show first came out my thought was, "Looks cool but I have no idea what the the hell's happening or what it's really about."

Now having seen the entire first season I basically still have that same opinion.
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TCTTS said:

Finally caught up with episode seven, and this is such a cool story, but one that is unfortunately not being told very well. At least in my opinion. I love the overall plot, every theme and idea being explored, every technological concept, etc, but they've really missed the ball on providing the proper context, both historically and in terms of what each side is for/represents, in a way that isn't endless exposition, and is instead underlined in a more show-don't-tell fashion. As interesting and exciting as certain developments were this episode, I just constantly found myself wishing everything had been better setup and better communicated earlier in the season, so certain moments in this episode landed with more gravity.

All that said, I'm still looking forward to tonight's season finale, and cautiously optimistic that it will deliver, now that so much exposition and a number of revelations are finally out of the way.
This sums up the show for me. I think I'll try to re-watch it and see if I missed anything along the way. I love the concept, the characters, and so much about this show, but there are really big gaps for me. I like it enough that I may just read the book and see if that helps me to better understand. I sure as hell hope so - if I read the book and am left with as many questions I'll be pissed.
Flatlander
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In the book, there is a clear reason why the future 'bad guys' are trying so hard to eliminate Flynn and why the future 'good guy's are helping her. And while the reason is very clear and explicit, it is also very simple. So I guess that's why the series felt the need to over-complicate it.
Rocagnante
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I saw "In the book…" on the previous post and stopped reading. Does it need spoiler tags? Sorry to be that guy but I hate it when people drop info like that on these threads. It's usually a spoiler to some degree even if not intentional.
Madmarttigan
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He didn't actually post anything other than a huge generalization.

Normally I would agree with anyone mentioning the book but he seriously said nothing.

And let's be real we need some Spoilers if we want to understand that finale
Rocagnante
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Thanks! It's the reason I avoid Reddit. We're pretty reasonable and self policing on here. For the most part. Although there were a few folks who back in the GOT days seemed to enjoy posting on the non spoiler thread like they had figured stuff out on their own.
Rocagnante
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Ok so here's my pitch to keep y'all on this show because if you're actually reading this thread and have watched all of season one then you've accepted two things:
Somehow humanity retained the ability to manufacture, develop and advance new technologies in spite of the Jackpot.
Somehow quantum tunneling allows data/consciousness transfer time travel.

So while I agree the leap in the finale was a bit far, it's not as far as y'all are making it out to be. And will hopefully be explained in season 2 to make it as easy to accept as the things I stated above.

somehow the technology the RI developed to create stubs allowed Flynne to transfer her consciousness and data to "overwrite" Flynne in the stub she created.
Everyone's motivations are easy to follow but I might be over simplifying. The RI is in control in the future. Not absolute control hence the toast analogy but they're running things. The RI intimidated Lowbeer as much as Lowbeer intimidated Lev/the Klept. And the RI can develop a disease to wipe out a specific family based on DNA, so hence Lev's reaction to the visit and stealing the cup he was drinking from. So there's a definite pecking order.
I think there are fewer real people in the future than we think. Like much much fewer. Rehabbed London is a small area. I mean Flynne rode a motorcycle straight up into Buckingham Palace and knocked on the door. So that's why all the people you see seem to live like billionaires because there are so few of them, yet RI technology allows them life of luxury.
Everyone wants the secrets in Flynnes head for previously stated reasons.


Rocagnante
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Also 2099 Flynne is a smokeshow. We need more 2099 Flynne.
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He didn't actually post anything other than a huge generalization.

Yeah, I was being intentionally vague. But even then, the motivating reason I referred to is not any big secret in the book. It's actually mentioned in the book's jacket description. And it would not give anything away on the TV series either.
TexasAggie_02
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Just watched it over the past week, it appeared to me during one of her seizures that she almost synced with the other world. The RI lady is definitely syncing with bots in that last episode without a peripheral on her head.

Also I wonder if we eventually find out if the future timeline was a stub all along, hence the unbelievable coincidence of "the jackpot" in that timeline.

Don't forget either that the first episode showed wilf talking to a little girl, who mentioned she was busy saving another world. I don't know if that was Flynn or Aelita, but it shows that there are multiple stubs that point.
TexasAggie_02
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Madmarttigan said:


If someone from the future in timeline A uses their technology to send data back in time and communicate with timeline A they create a parallel timeline B because they changed something.

How is future timeline A supposed to continue to communicate with and discern every new parallel timeline B,C, D etc. I would assume any time they go back and change something before Flynn's storyline it creates a new parallel timeline if we are assuming timelines are unchangable with how they have presented it in the show.




I'm going to guess that once a stub is created, it's more or less running parallel to the prime timeline, just 70 years in the past. Seems like ti e passes at the same rate, eg one hour/day in the future passes simultaneously to the past, as evidenced by when they unplug from the peripheral.

If they had true time travel rules, Flynn could log out for a week, then hop back to the future at the same time she left. This plot device also prevents the bad guys from just going back further in time to kill her.
 
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