This is pretty good.

The technology is a little unbelievable for 10 and 80 years from now but still entertaining.

Also how do they rebuild a futuristic Utopia in only 25 years from what appears to be an apocalyptic wasteland.

It's been a fun watch so far.

Another thing because time travel always leads to brain hurting discussions….


If someone from the future in timeline A uses their technology to send data back in time and communicate with timeline A they create a parallel timeline B because they changed something.

How is future timeline A supposed to continue to communicate with and discern every new parallel timeline B,C, D etc. I would assume any time they go back and change something before Flynn's storyline it creates a new parallel timeline if we are assuming timelines are unchangable with how they have presented it in the show.

The technology already seems nutty to send information back in time but I guess they can track every timeline as well.

My guess would be that "first contact" from the future is what establishes a stub or whatever they call it. And then once that stub is created, there aren't ever any additional stubs stemming from the first stub. It's just one stub they can then interact with back and forth without creating any timeline issues.

Yeah I figure anything they do to Flynn's stub from this point on will not create a new one.

If they went back 5 years to 2027 and did something that should create a new one. I guess we have to assume they have the technology to track all the stubs they create.

Something is shady with the plot. What's with the model town with Burton and his buddies in that back room? Why are they shady with telling her what happens to them in the future? What was Aleta West stealing?

Also the fact that the nuclear explosion that was crucial in leading to the jackpot was in her hometown in North Carolina. That's no coincidence either.

joerobert_pete06 said:

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Something is shady with the plot. What's with the model town with Burton and his buddies in that back room? Why are they shady with telling her what happens to them in the future? What was Aleta West stealing?

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I assume these answers will be revealed in time… Alita is either trying to take the RI down or maybe looking for a way to stop the jackpot from happening altogether? I doubt she would care about Flynn's timeline so I assume it is something to help her own time.

Madmarttigan said:

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joerobert_pete06 said:

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Something is shady with the plot. What's with the model town with Burton and his buddies in that back room? Why are they shady with telling her what happens to them in the future? What was Aleta West stealing?

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I assume these answers will be revealed in time… Alita is either trying to take the RI down or maybe looking for a way to stop the jackpot from happening altogether? I doubt she would care about Flynn's timeline so I assume it is something to help her own time.

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Ya good points, But the oligarchs also profited from the 'jackpot' yet they are using Flynn to find what was stolen? That seems conflicting with the RIs motive

Just finished five, and was quickly losing interest in this show until that final scene, which was admittedly pretty good. Only, I have no idea how Flynne learned to fight like that. Also, I can't remember what Cherise is looking for or even wants from Flynne. This is a cool show, and I enjoy the vibe, but the problem is, I still couldn't tell you anyone's motivations/goals, despite the abundance of exposition. It's not that it's so complex it's confusing, it's that it doesn't do a good job of clearly reminding us what everyone's after. I know Flynne's trying not to get killed in 2032, and I know the future rich guy and his team are looking for Aelita. Beyond that, though, I have no clue what's going on, simply because it's been forever since anyone's provided any clarity or context.

My take on everyone's motivations so far thru end of Ep 5:
It all goes back to when Flynn (while inside the peripheral that looked like her brother) had information beamed into her when that inverted pyramid thing shot a laser into the peripherals eye and I'm guessing this into Flynn's real brain in the past.
Alita wants to bring down the RI and needs that info, almost got it, but now is on the run.
The oligarch wants to have power over the RI and also wants that info and thinks Alita has it.
Flynn and her brother are caught up in all this and as of now just trying to not get killed. Flynn doesn't know she has this info but my guess is it's tied to that bacteria or whatever that the Dr just identified localized around her eye and the reason for the spinal tap.
The RI knows what this info is and doing anything possible to get it back or destroy it.

Oh yeah and those giant statues in future London are air scrubbers in case anyone missed that. And a cool way to let you know you've jumped to future London without having to flash the year on the screen.

I did miss that, thanks.

From the preview of next week (and with only three episodes left), I was happy to see Lowbeer is finally making an appearance. That's the Met operative that Lev stresses to Wilf not to lie to in the preview.

I've enjoyed the show.

This was a big help, thanks.

I think I'm kind of digging that everything isn't so transparent yet. Keeps the intrigue alive about what the information actually is, but it only works if it's something really good. If they dangle this along for 8 episodes and it's really stupid… makes it even more sour though.

Yeah she likely has the info printed into her brain she just doesn't know it.

What's the relationship between Wilf and the oligarch? Is Wilf helping as a means to an end to find his sister? Or is the oligarch paying him? I forget.

Madmarttigan said:

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This is pretty good.

The technology is a little unbelievable for 10 and 80 years from now but still entertaining.

Also how do they rebuild a futuristic Utopia in only 25 years from what appears to be an apocalyptic wasteland.

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The 10 year from now tech is addressed in the last episode I believe...part of the plot/storyline.

And 80 years is a long time...you never know, but this is sci-fi so there's always some leeway there.

Yeah I noticed they explained the haptics were from the future. All starts to make a little more sense.

We went from the invention of the airplane to walking on the moon in well less than 80 years

And I've purchased basically the same phone over and over for a decade soooo ehhh

Texas Outback was interesting.
Previously showed our lights going out last, & now I guess we're the first to fight back.

Texas Outback was 2028 and the blackouts didn't occur until after 2032. My take is that it's implied Texas tried to secede or something. Especially how they referred to it as Tex-ass

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Texas Outback was 2028 and the blackouts didn't occur until after 2032. My take is that it's implied Texas tried to secede or something. Especially how they referred to it as Tex-ass

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Texans would never sew a bomb in a dog. Never.

Another good episode. Enjoying this show hope it gets renewed.

Guess that makes 2 of us!

Yeah I like this show. I find the storylines both timeline's entertaining. I love how the inspector was in complete control with the Klepts but the RI leader just immediately knocked her off balance (or at least that's the perception she gave accidentally or on purpose).

Hard to tell what the met inspector will do or what side she is on at this point.

Hopefully they elaborate a little more on who the neoprims are exactly. I assume they are the anti technology group but seen as more primitive terrorist types.

Also funnily enough my complaints about 2032 technology and how they've already rebuilt into a utopia immediately after an apocalypse have all been explained.

I need to rewatch to catch some details. I'm afraid to look it up and stumble across book spoilers.

Primarily, how did Wilf come to be in association with the Klept? Is he being paid by them or just trying to find his sister?

Finally caught up with episode seven, and this is such a cool story, but one that is unfortunately not being told very well. At least in my opinion. I love the overall plot, every theme and idea being explored, every technological concept, etc, but they've really missed the ball on providing the proper context, both historically and in terms of what each side is for/represents, in a way that isn't endless exposition, and is instead underlined in a more show-don't-tell fashion. As interesting and exciting as certain developments were this episode, I just constantly found myself wishing everything had been better setup and better communicated earlier in the season, so certain moments in this episode landed with more gravity.

All that said, I'm still looking forward to tonight's season finale, and cautiously optimistic that it will deliver, now that so much exposition and a number of revelations are finally out of the way.

Btw, I found this video to be relatively helpful. This dude definitely gives off a (a British version of a) hip, passionate youth pastor vibe, and the weird, portrait mode framing of him and only him is way too much. But he breaks down episode seven in an interesting way, providing context I wish the show itself would have better-conveyed…

Agreed. I understand most of what is going on in the past timeline. I have no idea what is going on in the future outside of character names and who's on each other's team.

It does seem like they are like, ok, let's have an action scene now. Ok, now an exposition scene. Ok, now a past exposition. Ok, now a past action scene.

Oh and just to reiterate from another thread. The detective in the future steals every scene, and should have been brought into the show much earlier. Great character.

In 100% agreement on all points. Especially the future detective.

I have absolutely no idea what the hell I just watched.

I'm usually really good at understanding, in real time, the more complex sci-fi concepts, time travel in movies, etc. But I'm afraid this is what happens when a complex, multi-timeline, Nolan-esque plot is produced by a Nolan, but lesser writers are left trying execute it. Hell, the Nolans & Joy can barely pull it off themselves sometimes.

Whatever happened this episode, I'm sure I could read about it and I'm sure it was cool, but good gosh, for the dozenth time, learn how to properly provide some context, and how to properly set up payoffs. It also helps to have characters we actually care about, who can keep our attention, earn our empathy, and make us *want* to discover what's going on, but sadly, none of those things ever really happened for me this season.

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I have absolutely no idea what the hell I just watched.

I'm usually really good at understanding, in real time, the more complex sci-fi concepts, time travel in movies, etc. But I'm afraid this is what happens when a complex, multi-timeline, Nolan-esque plot is produced by a Nolan, but lesser writers are left trying execute it. Hell, the Nolans & Joy can barely pull it off themselves sometimes.

Whatever happened this episode, I'm sure I could read about it and I'm sure it was cool, but good gosh, for the dozenth time, learn how to properly provide some context, and how to properly set up payoffs. It also helps to have characters we actually care about, who can keep our attention, earn our empathy, and make us *want* to discover what's going on, but sadly, none of those things ever really happened for me this season.

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Couldn't disagree more on all counts. For me, the characters were extremely well done and the plot, while requiring some thought, provided plenty of exposition for the viewer to make sense of what was happening.

I haven't read the novel but definitely plan to now.