Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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Half of Texas will reject this movie if the Comanche are anything better than ISIS.

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As should every decent person. Who in their right mind would cheer for the likes of ISIS, cartels, or the comanches?

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Depends. Are they lining up against the sips this weekend?

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This is a good point. I should add sips to the list.

Is it the non western ones that ruffle your feathers

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Is it the non western ones that ruffle your feathers

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The Nazis were western.

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might not accurately portray the savageness/gender dynamics of a particular Native American tribe!!!

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The Comanche fought early Texans in a brutal war for nearly 100 years. Some posters on this site had family members fight in that war (me), so it's fair to say we're going to pay a little more attention to how the Comanche are portrayed than some other tribe halfway across the country.
I'm just hoping for a decent movie from a director who did a good job on his first effort, regardless if it is "straight to video". It's not like premiering on the big screen is any guarantee of a good show.

The virgin Christian settlers Vs the Chad Pagan Comanches

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might not accurately portray the savageness/gender dynamics of a particular Native American tribe!!!

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The Comanche fought early Texans in a brutal war for nearly 100 years. Some posters on this site had family members fight in that war (me), so it's fair to say we're going to pay a little more attention to how the Comanche are portrayed than some other tribe halfway across the country.
I'm just hoping for a decent movie from a director who did a good job on his first effort, regardless if it is "straight to video". It's not like premiering on the big screen is any guarantee of a good show.

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I hear you. It's just the irony of *that* being the thing that stretches credulity in a movie that *also* features aliens.

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might not accurately portray the savageness/gender dynamics of a particular Native American tribe!!!

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The Comanche fought early Texans in a brutal war for nearly 100 years. Some posters on this site had family members fight in that war (me), so it's fair to say we're going to pay a little more attention to how the Comanche are portrayed than some other tribe halfway across the country.
I'm just hoping for a decent movie from a director who did a good job on his first effort, regardless if it is "straight to video". It's not like premiering on the big screen is any guarantee of a good show.

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I hear you. It's just the irony of *that* being the thing that stretches credulity in a movie that *also* features aliens.

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I don't think anybody is complaining about accuracy in this movie. We are saying that we will be cheering for the predator.

Edit: and as evident by the alien thread, you are the wrong person to make this comment.

I'm cheering for the Comanche

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might not accurately portray the savageness/gender dynamics of a particular Native American tribe!!!

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The Comanche fought early Texans in a brutal war for nearly 100 years. Some posters on this site had family members fight in that war (me), so it's fair to say we're going to pay a little more attention to how the Comanche are portrayed than some other tribe halfway across the country.
I'm just hoping for a decent movie from a director who did a good job on his first effort, regardless if it is "straight to video". It's not like premiering on the big screen is any guarantee of a good show.

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Fair point. Similar to how some might view anything Japanese.

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I hear you. It's just the irony of *that* being the thing that stretches credulity in a movie that *also* features aliens.

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I know I've mentioned on here before regarding this kind of stuff.

I can suspend disbelief for aliens, time travel, super heroes etc. I know what I'm getting into going into the movie.
It's when they portray regular people as doing something completely out of character or portrayed just plain stupid wrong that pisses me off.
Examples:
Chris Pine in Wonder Woman 1984: He can fly a jet, but doesn't recognize a trash can.
Scientists in Prometheus: Giant snake thing rears up at you: "Look, how cool! Alien life! No danger here!"

Similarly, changing the Comanche from expert savage killers to treehugging feminist Tontos would tick me off.

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might not accurately portray the savageness/gender dynamics of a particular Native American tribe!!!

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The Comanche fought early Texans in a brutal war for nearly 100 years. Some posters on this site had family members fight in that war (me), so it's fair to say we're going to pay a little more attention to how the Comanche are portrayed than some other tribe halfway across the country.
I'm just hoping for a decent movie from a director who did a good job on his first effort, regardless if it is "straight to video". It's not like premiering on the big screen is any guarantee of a good show.

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Fair point. Similar to how some might view anything Japanese.

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Or how some might view slaveowners having statues

That's different.

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The king arrived and the chieftain was wearing the daughter as his skin.

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Gangster for sure.
The Assyrians as well were a group that were among the worst all time.
I listened to a podcast a while back.... it was like each succeeding king had to be more brutal than the one before. A quote from one of their kings talking about what he did to a city that rebelled against him:

"I built a pillar over against his city gate, and I flayed all the chief men who had revolted, and I covered the pillar with their skins; some I walled up within the pillar, some I impaled upon the pillar on stakes, and others I bound to stakes round the about the pillar; many within the border of my own land I flayed, and I spread their skins upon the walls; and I cut off the limbs of the officers, of the royal officers who had rebelled."

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Completely unrelated to the movie, but this thread has my history nerd bat signal activated.

I would have to say that, pound for pound, the Assyrians were probably the most brutal culture that ever existed. Worse even than the Mongols, who's body count (per capita) far outweighs every one else in history.

The Comanche were pikers compared the the Assyrians and Mongols.

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I'm cheering for the Comanche

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Nobody said you were smart.

My nerdy brutality rankings:

1a) Mongols (I can't overlook the sheer body count or the assimilation via rape practice)
1b) Assyrians/Medes/Persians

Stupid is as stupid does

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My nerdy brutality rankings:

1a) Mongols (I can't overlook the sheer body count or the assimilation via rape practice)
1b) Assyrians/Medes/Persians

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The Mongols killed over 10% of the world's population, and at one point had depopulated such vast swathes of the earth that the land itself retuned to it's natural uncultivated state and caused a localized climate change event.

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might not accurately portray the savageness/gender dynamics of a particular Native American tribe!!!

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The Comanche fought early Texans in a brutal war for nearly 100 years. Some posters on this site had family members fight in that war (me), so it's fair to say we're going to pay a little more attention to how the Comanche are portrayed than some other tribe halfway across the country.
I'm just hoping for a decent movie from a director who did a good job on his first effort, regardless if it is "straight to video". It's not like premiering on the big screen is any guarantee of a good show.

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Fair point. Similar to how some might view anything Japanese.

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Or how some might view slaveowners having statues

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Unlike those folks, I actually lived at the same time as those in my family who had negative feelings toward the Japs.

I know. That's why I ranked them ahead of the others.

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My nerdy brutality rankings:

1a) Mongols (I can't overlook the sheer body count or the assimilation via rape practice)
1b) Assyrians/Medes/Persians

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Where do you rank the Jews for their genocide of the Canaanites?

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I know. That's why I ranked them ahead of the others.

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In terms of raw numbers they deserve the ranking you gave them. But, pound for pound, the Assyrians were right there with them.

This is because Mongolians are smaller people, huh?

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might not accurately portray the savageness/gender dynamics of a particular Native American tribe!!!

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The Comanche fought early Texans in a brutal war for nearly 100 years. Some posters on this site had family members fight in that war (me), so it's fair to say we're going to pay a little more attention to how the Comanche are portrayed than some other tribe halfway across the country.
I'm just hoping for a decent movie from a director who did a good job on his first effort, regardless if it is "straight to video". It's not like premiering on the big screen is any guarantee of a good show.

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Fair point. Similar to how some might view anything Japanese.

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Surprised no one in this thread has pulled down Quanah Parker statues popping up all over texas

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My nerdy brutality rankings:

1a) Mongols (I can't overlook the sheer body count or the assimilation via rape practice)
1b) Assyrians/Medes/Persians

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Where do you rank the Jews for their genocide of the Canaanites?

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might not accurately portray the savageness/gender dynamics of a particular Native American tribe!!!

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The Comanche fought early Texans in a brutal war for nearly 100 years. Some posters on this site had family members fight in that war (me), so it's fair to say we're going to pay a little more attention to how the Comanche are portrayed than some other tribe halfway across the country.
I'm just hoping for a decent movie from a director who did a good job on his first effort, regardless if it is "straight to video". It's not like premiering on the big screen is any guarantee of a good show.

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Fair point. Similar to how some might view anything Japanese.

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Unlike those folks, I actually lived at the same time as those in my family who had negative feelings toward the Japs.

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Okay? I mean, considering the Comanche wars ended in the 1800s, people here didn't overlap with family members who fought them. Even then, your premise is likely incorrect, considering the last of the confirmed former slaves died off in the middle of the 1900s. And that's not even considering the 100+ years of segregation, voter suppression, lynchings, etc. that continued afterward, which people who live today were very much alive for.

Interestingly, one of the breakthroughs in Cold War negotiations occurred when Reagan asked Gorbachev if the Russians would defend the Americans if they were attacked by aliens. He answered yes and Reagan said they'd do the same if the Russians were the ones being attacked.

I think the basic takeaway here is that one could watch this movie and be entertained by rooting for either the Predator or the Comanche. Either way, fun for all!

See how movies bring us together?

Why do you have to cheer for either?

Can't you appreciate the killings for the own rights.

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There was a serial killer in the Adrien Brody Predator movie. It didn't work out very well for him as he tried to reason with a predator and got butchered.

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To be fair the serial killer was played by Topher Grace, so that could have been the Predator's reason for butchering him too.

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I enjoy bashing Comanches. So I'll take every opportunity to do so. Troll or not. They were scum.

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Ok.
Curious, do the Comanche that bother you so much because they were in Texas?
Or do you bash the dozens of other cultures that were just as brutal?

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Nah, he's just able to ruin threads.

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There was a serial killer in the Adrien Brody Predator movie. It didn't work out very well for him as he tried to reason with a predator and got butchered.

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To be fair the serial killer was played by Topher Grace, so that could have been the Predator's reason for butchering him too.

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I gotta admit, I actually really liked that movie. It felt super fresh as a concept and had some great death scenes (the Yakuza dude in particular comes to mind), even if I had a lot of trouble seeing Adrian Brody as a tough guy.

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There was a serial killer in the Adrien Brody Predator movie. It didn't work out very well for him as he tried to reason with a predator and got butchered.

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To be fair the serial killer was played by Topher Grace, so that could have been the Predator's reason for butchering him too.

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I gotta admit, I actually really liked that movie. It felt super fresh as a concept and had some great death scenes (the Yakuza dude in particular comes to mind), even if I had a lot of trouble seeing Adrian Brody as a tough guy.

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I liked it too and stop down to watch it whenever it's on.

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There was a serial killer in the Adrien Brody Predator movie. It didn't work out very well for him as he tried to reason with a predator and got butchered.

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To be fair the serial killer was played by Topher Grace, so that could have been the Predator's reason for butchering him too.

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I gotta admit, I actually really liked that movie. It felt super fresh as a concept and had some great death scenes (the Yakuza dude in particular comes to mind), even if I had a lot of trouble seeing Adrian Brody as a tough guy.

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Speaking of Adrien Brody playing a tough guy part, he has a fairly new movie out called Clean. He plays a reformed mob hitman who now is a garbage man. He easily goes into double digits on the kill list. I thought it was pretty entertaining.

The original Predator is in my Top 5 favorite movies of all time. I like the franchise a lot, even with its ups and downs.

I'll be anticipating this one eagerly. I like the direction they're taking it in, especially after the way the last one went.

This movie sounds like a role for The Rock!