oragator said:

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2 things.

First, in the end, against all odds it was a love story.

Second, BB had some of the worst female characters written. It was like they had no clue had to write a competent impactful female. To go from that to Kim is really remarkable.

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I couldn't disagree more. I think Skylar and Marie are very compelling, real female characters. Very flawed, just like real human beings.

Wendy was the best female character in BB.

Also on the nightstand in the 2nd episode of this season.

Ken Scarborough said:

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Ken Scarborough said:

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aggiejohn said:

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Ken Scarborough said:

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1.06215E+11 Miles.

I have no idea what that number is.

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I think it is 12.06215E Miles.

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I did the math wrong. I did 25 years, not 15.

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It's actually,
63,729,000,000 miles.

Give or take a few million.

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oragator said:

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Skylar could have been written out of the show, Walt as a single guy raising his son as the premise, and almost nothing would have changed (assuming you made Marie his sister). She was maybe the sixth most important person on there despite being the wife of the lead. They gave her almost nothing to do until they bought the car wash other than to nag Walter, and even then she was monotone. Then they brought in Lydia who was an executive and successful and made her an airhead. Critics say "misogyny" was behind it, but Kim is universally loved despite kicking Sail to the curb. The difference is in the depth Peter and Vince gave them comparatively. Kim had the law, a full history, was strong publicly and privately, had ambitions on who she wanted to be, a complex moral code…What did Skylar really have other than her family? We never sympathized with her because the writers never gave us a real reason to.


But don't want to bog down this thread with that fight, other than to say Kim was really well written and it was nice to see.

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I disagree. Kim never cheated on Saul. Kim never stood up to Saul or made demands of him opposed to what he wanted to do. It shows them in a new childless relationship only having fun together.

Kim is highly capable, Skylar showed capability expertly cooking Beneke's books, running car wash, laundering money - with a newborn Walt wasn't focusing too much on.

Skylar was pushy and demanding and defied and cheated - I think a lot of people reacted to that. Saul was no Walt, Kim didn't have to react to the same thing.

I can understand some of the dislike of the character, didn't really understand the hatred. It was an important character in the story of Walt.

We were supposed to not like Skylar, as we primarily viewed the show through Walt's eyes. She was very well written in that regard.

oragator said:

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Skylar could have been written out of the show, Walt as a single guy raising his son as the premise, and almost nothing would have changed (assuming you made Marie his sister). She was maybe the sixth most important person on there despite being the wife of the lead. They gave her almost nothing to do until they bought the car wash other than to nag Walter, and even then she was monotone. Then they brought in Lydia who was an executive and successful and made her an airhead. Critics say "misogyny" was behind it, but Kim is universally loved despite kicking Sail to the curb. The difference is in the depth Peter and Vince gave them comparatively. Kim had the law, a full history, was strong publicly and privately, had ambitions on who she wanted to be, a complex moral code…What did Skylar really have other than her family? We never sympathized with her because the writers never gave us a real reason to.


But don't want to bog down this thread with that fight, other than to say Kim was really well written and it was nice to see.

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Yeah I don't agree with this take at all. Anna Gunn was incredibly good at her craft to make me hate her insufferably. And her presence was very important to the show.

Back on topic, how is it we haven't seen TCTTS in this thread since the finale?

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Have you seen Dark on Netflix?

If not, you need to make that your next binge.

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That show was great for a while but took itself way too seriously and went nowhere.

Yall better dial Lyle pic.twitter.com/YktUSBctkB

— max (@maxmead_4507) August 16, 2022

oragator said:

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Back on topic, how is it we haven't seen TCTTS in this thread since the finale?

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Was traveling to Texas on Monday, and had already made my parents, who were a couple episodes behind, catch up so we could watch the finale together Monday night. But after getting into town yesterday evening, family dinner, hanging with my nieces and nephews, etc, the night got away from us and it was too late to start. Finally, though, after mostly avoiding spoilers for 24 hours (save for one prominent outlet using a black-and-white image of Marie in a courtroom, in a tweet linking to their review, so I unfortunately knew she was back and where we'd end up), we watched it tonight and...

It could not have been more perfect.

Just the absolute, best-possible way they could have threaded that needle.

The shot of Jimmy & Kim smoking against the prison wall, cigarettes in-hand, the angled light, the light of the cigarette being the only thing color... I really don't know if television can get more euphoric than that moment. It was equal parts heartbreaking, hopeful, bittersweet, etc, and the way it called back to the pilot episode... I've simply never seen felt so much history, emotion, meaning, and melancholy packed into a single shot.

I'm almost speechless.

I've read through every single post since 8 PM last night - all 239 of them, more than I've ever had to catch up on in any thread - and there's really nothing else I can add. I can only quote three posts that stuck out to me/I wholeheartedly agree with...