So how does the Lalo standoff end? And what does he expect to get out of Kim and Saul? I don't get what he expects to get out of them this time that he couldn't get out last time. Seems like a strange move on his part.
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Proof of what? That Gus has a bunch of muscle at the laundry?Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:
And wasn't that boom mike guy dressed up as random old man jogger getting his frisbee back from Saul?
I'm not going to mince on the timeline because obviously they were pushing it. Camera guy saying he needs just the right amount of time, Saul negotiating with the stand in.
Beautiful how they set up the Lalo nest at the beginning. So now Lalo has the tape for Don Eladio for "proof", I guess that gets buried with him later on. And he's stuck with Hector knowing he's avenging the Salamancas, but no way to communicate it.
Love it when the writer's speak directly to the complainers.
Well, his plan was to kill all the guards and film the inside of the drug lab Fring was building - but thwarted by the Chicken Man due to the phone tap on the nursing home line. So he is improvising a bit - threw off Mike and protection with the fake phone message about attacking Gus, then instead when to Jimmy's. He never felt right about that exchange with Kim and Jimmy in the apartment before he headed down to Mexico, he's back to get the full story. I don't know if filming a Jimmy confession (Mike from Gus's crew was there to protect me when I picked up your money) would be proof enough, but Lalo suspects Jimmy may be involved in the overall plot to push the Salamancas out and kill him in Mexico.aTmAg said:
So how does the Lalo standoff end? And what does he expect to get out of Kim and Saul? I don't get what he expects to get out of them this time that he couldn't get out last time. Seems like a strange move on his part.
Lalo has already seen the empty hole that will someday be a lab. He asked about the north/south wall (I forget what direction). Gus and Mike had a cover story for all of that. Not sure any of that would provide "proof".Complete Idiot said:Well, his plan was to kill all the guards and film the inside of the drug lab Fring was building - but thwarted by the Chicken Man due to the phone tap on the nursing home line. So he is improvising a bit - threw off Mike and protection with the fake phone message about attacking Gus, then instead when to Jimmy's. He never felt right about that exchange with Kim and Jimmy in the apartment before he headed down to Mexico, he's back to get the full story. I don't know if filming a Jimmy confession (Mike from Gus's crew was there to protect me when I picked up your money) would be proof enough, but Lalo suspects Jimmy may be involved in the overall plot to push the Salamancas out and kill him in Mexico.aTmAg said:
So how does the Lalo standoff end? And what does he expect to get out of Kim and Saul? I don't get what he expects to get out of them this time that he couldn't get out last time. Seems like a strange move on his part.
The only thing I can think of is threaten Kim and Saul to try to get Mike to fess up to them somehow. But I can't think of how that ends without either Saul/Kim dying (highly unlikely since Saul is walking around in BB) or Lalo getting killed by Mike (but Saul would know that).
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Proof enough for major suspicion and confrontation with Gus, that's why I put it in quotes. Why are you guarding a laundry 24/7? Don Eladio gonna say the Chicken Man likes his uniforms really clean? Lalo knows Mike is involved, Mike was involved with Werner, etc.aTmAg said:Proof of what? That Gus has a bunch of muscle at the laundry?Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:
And wasn't that boom mike guy dressed up as random old man jogger getting his frisbee back from Saul?
I'm not going to mince on the timeline because obviously they were pushing it. Camera guy saying he needs just the right amount of time, Saul negotiating with the stand in.
Beautiful how they set up the Lalo nest at the beginning. So now Lalo has the tape for Don Eladio for "proof", I guess that gets buried with him later on. And he's stuck with Hector knowing he's avenging the Salamancas, but no way to communicate it.
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I think Howard is easily the most under-appreciated character of the BB/BCS universe.
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Howard's OCD would be looking down on his murder scene and having a complete fit about the mess.torrid said:
I think Howard is easily the most under-appreciated character of the BB/BCS universe.
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Lalo is going to put a gun to Kim's head to get Jimmy to confess to what really happened in the desert. Jimmy will end up telling Lalo that Gus' guy Mike helped him when he was ambushed. Lalo will figure out that they did this to make sure Lalo got out on bail so they could attempt to take him out with the mercenaries at his home in Mexico.
I'm sure this video will be taken down soon, but the final scene from last night. I noticed a small detail on a rewatch - when Howard says "I'm going to be OK", both Jimmy and Kim's shoulders drop as if in relief. Small detail, nice acting.
It's still hard to read Kim - face seems pleased when Howard says he embarrassed himself, a hint of concern when Howard says he's having marital problems, not really seeming to be hurt when called a sociopath.
So what's next? It's hard to believe the writers would kill off the Kim character, and I would guess that would irreparably harm Jimmy to the point of not being able to go through the motions in the Breaking Bad timeline. I feel Kim will choose to be gone, or be made to be "gone" in some other way.
It's still hard to read Kim - face seems pleased when Howard says he embarrassed himself, a hint of concern when Howard says he's having marital problems, not really seeming to be hurt when called a sociopath.
So what's next? It's hard to believe the writers would kill off the Kim character, and I would guess that would irreparably harm Jimmy to the point of not being able to go through the motions in the Breaking Bad timeline. I feel Kim will choose to be gone, or be made to be "gone" in some other way.
I think what Lalo saw was another site, above ground, allegedly being built for a Chiller.aTmAg said:Lalo has already seen the empty hole that will someday be a lab. He asked about the north/south wall (I forget what direction). Gus and Mike had a cover story for all of that. Not sure any of that would provide "proof".Complete Idiot said:Well, his plan was to kill all the guards and film the inside of the drug lab Fring was building - but thwarted by the Chicken Man due to the phone tap on the nursing home line. So he is improvising a bit - threw off Mike and protection with the fake phone message about attacking Gus, then instead when to Jimmy's. He never felt right about that exchange with Kim and Jimmy in the apartment before he headed down to Mexico, he's back to get the full story. I don't know if filming a Jimmy confession (Mike from Gus's crew was there to protect me when I picked up your money) would be proof enough, but Lalo suspects Jimmy may be involved in the overall plot to push the Salamancas out and kill him in Mexico.aTmAg said:
So how does the Lalo standoff end? And what does he expect to get out of Kim and Saul? I don't get what he expects to get out of them this time that he couldn't get out last time. Seems like a strange move on his part.
The only thing I can think of is threaten Kim and Saul to try to get Mike to fess up to them somehow. But I can't think of how that ends without either Saul/Kim dying (highly unlikely since Saul is walking around in BB) or Lalo getting killed by Mike (but Saul would know that).
Succession is pretty much Entourage at this pointTCTTS said:
I would say that the writers for Succession are a close second...
Hey guys, looks like the kids are getting the company
Bad news guys, kids are't getting the company
repeat
And it seems to become more brilliant every cycle that this happens.Another Doug said:Succession is pretty much Entourage at this pointTCTTS said:
I would say that the writers for Succession are a close second...
Hey guys, looks like the kids are getting the company
Bad news guys, kids are't getting the company
repeat
What a cruel way to go for Howard. Guy was a bit insufferable but holy ***** Marriage falling apart, his colleagues and professional connections think he's an insane drug addict, he f'ed up the Sandpiper mediation, and then gets smoked by Lalo just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Now they will probably have to stage it as a suicide or him getting murdered by his dealer.
Now they will probably have to stage it as a suicide or him getting murdered by his dealer.
Yep, not just dead but any kind of reputation/legacy completely destroyed even if it ends up a "disappearance". Hank and Gomie at least got to go out heroes.
Reddit comment about Howard. Couldn't agree more. Most tragic death of a major character in the BB/BCS universe, obviously excluding Andrea and Drew Sharp.
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I think Howard's death was perhaps the most tragic death in all of the BB/BCS universe.
Although Hank's death was very sad, he died doing what he believed in, standing tall.
Not only was Nacho in the game, he also had the best death possible considering his circumstances. Died on his own terms and got what he wanted the most in the entire world: his father's safety.
Although Chuck was innocent as far as the law goes, he was far from a blameless victim. He was deceptive and malevolent towards his brother, and you can argue that he played a very important role in his demise.
But Howard was actually just tragic. He didn't do anything remotely close to justify Kim and Jimmy's wrath. What's even worse is that not only is he innocent and definitely not in the game, his death was absolutely meaningless. He didn't die for some value he held in extremely high regard. He didn't die because he had it coming.
Most deaths in this universe are either somewhat justified by the character's actions or martyrish in nature. Meanwhile Howard's death was meaningless and ultimately pathetic.
Pretty sad if you ask me
I like how the actor played Howard in the final scene, still in control of himself but a little more loose, more confident, a little more emotionally open due the drinking he had been doing - but certainly not a wild drunk. Not quite as uptight, tightly wound, with the clipped speech - a bit more of a relatable Howard who was not trying to perform as the prim and proper son of a upper class lawyer.torrid said:
I think Howard is easily the most under-appreciated character of the BB/BCS universe.
I think this also fulfills everyone's prediction that Kim turning the car around was the beginning of her end. If I had to predict now, I dont think Kim dies. But I think Howard's death is THE turning point for her, just like Todd shooting the kid after the train heist was the turning point for Jesse. Kim is BCS's Jesse.
She will feel immense guilt over this because she set the chain of events that led to Howard's murder. Then she will feel even more dirty when she and Jimmy have to cover it up. I'm not sure how her story will end but I think the Kim we always knew is done. She will leave Jimmy (and possibly Albuquerque) at the end to get away from this life of crime she became part of.
I can't remember the exact Mike quote but when he realized Kim was involved with Jimmy he was like "once she's in, she's in."
She will feel immense guilt over this because she set the chain of events that led to Howard's murder. Then she will feel even more dirty when she and Jimmy have to cover it up. I'm not sure how her story will end but I think the Kim we always knew is done. She will leave Jimmy (and possibly Albuquerque) at the end to get away from this life of crime she became part of.
I can't remember the exact Mike quote but when he realized Kim was involved with Jimmy he was like "once she's in, she's in."
As I found with Walt and Jesse in BB, Howard's death has altered the course of my character rooting rollercoaster. Rooting for these awful people one minute, then thinking "fick these sociopaths" the next. It will shift again very quickly, which is what is so great about both series. No series have ever had me twist and turn like these
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Too many people give Andrea a free pass because she had a kid.Quote:
obviously excluding Andrea and Drew Sharp.
She didn't deserve to die but she got bit by the snakes she was playing with.
Is Kim the first patron of the vacuum cleaner salesman?
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Is Kim the first patron of the vacuum cleaner salesman?
He's $125k. That Sindpiper $$$ would have to come thru pronto, which wouldn't be realistic. Although can't rule out anything on tv
I'd love to see a scene of her meeting with the vacuum guy. RIP Robert Forster.Malachi Constant said:
Is Kim the first patron of the vacuum cleaner salesman?
I'm not sure who saw or watched any of the Talking BCS afterward. I don't typically watch those but my recording caught the begining.
The actor that plays Lalo was talking about the scene and I thought it was incredibly interesting to hear him say that this was the first scene he had done with Howard. Howard was the only character he had not worked with yet and while he was excited to work with him he was also bummed it would be the last time he worked him.
Interesting tangent to it.
The actor that plays Lalo was talking about the scene and I thought it was incredibly interesting to hear him say that this was the first scene he had done with Howard. Howard was the only character he had not worked with yet and while he was excited to work with him he was also bummed it would be the last time he worked him.
Interesting tangent to it.
Yeah, it can be easy to forget that lots of major characters in BB/BCS never cross paths. Like in BB, Jesse and Walt Jr never meet.
I did think about that last night. Mike talking to Kim a few episodes ago was the first time they meet (I think). Lalo and Howard meeting was Jimmy's worlds colliding.
I did think about that last night. Mike talking to Kim a few episodes ago was the first time they meet (I think). Lalo and Howard meeting was Jimmy's worlds colliding.
Kim is much stronger than Jimmy. I think they try to run a scheme against Lalo and that leads to her demise
- The aftershow "Talking BCS" had great insight
- Howard's speech before dying rivaled Nachos.
- Howard asked "why?" and said something about them "getting off" to it. Backtrack to the end of the conference call when Jimmy and Kim are having sex in the background.
- Howard showing Cary how to make the drinks not fizz, "so our visitors don't get a surprise"
- Howard's speech before dying rivaled Nachos.
- Howard asked "why?" and said something about them "getting off" to it. Backtrack to the end of the conference call when Jimmy and Kim are having sex in the background.
- Howard showing Cary how to make the drinks not fizz, "so our visitors don't get a surprise"
why would Lalo leave them the gun?bigjag19 said:
Leave the gun. Suicide. As drunk as he was it can be done.
No, he saw the lab. They just told him it was a chicken chiller.Complete Idiot said:I think what Lalo saw was another site, above ground, allegedly being built for a Chiller.aTmAg said:Lalo has already seen the empty hole that will someday be a lab. He asked about the north/south wall (I forget what direction). Gus and Mike had a cover story for all of that. Not sure any of that would provide "proof".Complete Idiot said:Well, his plan was to kill all the guards and film the inside of the drug lab Fring was building - but thwarted by the Chicken Man due to the phone tap on the nursing home line. So he is improvising a bit - threw off Mike and protection with the fake phone message about attacking Gus, then instead when to Jimmy's. He never felt right about that exchange with Kim and Jimmy in the apartment before he headed down to Mexico, he's back to get the full story. I don't know if filming a Jimmy confession (Mike from Gus's crew was there to protect me when I picked up your money) would be proof enough, but Lalo suspects Jimmy may be involved in the overall plot to push the Salamancas out and kill him in Mexico.aTmAg said:
So how does the Lalo standoff end? And what does he expect to get out of Kim and Saul? I don't get what he expects to get out of them this time that he couldn't get out last time. Seems like a strange move on his part.
The only thing I can think of is threaten Kim and Saul to try to get Mike to fess up to them somehow. But I can't think of how that ends without either Saul/Kim dying (highly unlikely since Saul is walking around in BB) or Lalo getting killed by Mike (but Saul would know that).
No. They showed him a warehouse insteadNKnow Your Enemy said:No, he saw the lab. They just told him it was a chicken chiller.Complete Idiot said:I think what Lalo saw was another site, above ground, allegedly being built for a Chiller.aTmAg said:Lalo has already seen the empty hole that will someday be a lab. He asked about the north/south wall (I forget what direction). Gus and Mike had a cover story for all of that. Not sure any of that would provide "proof".Complete Idiot said:Well, his plan was to kill all the guards and film the inside of the drug lab Fring was building - but thwarted by the Chicken Man due to the phone tap on the nursing home line. So he is improvising a bit - threw off Mike and protection with the fake phone message about attacking Gus, then instead when to Jimmy's. He never felt right about that exchange with Kim and Jimmy in the apartment before he headed down to Mexico, he's back to get the full story. I don't know if filming a Jimmy confession (Mike from Gus's crew was there to protect me when I picked up your money) would be proof enough, but Lalo suspects Jimmy may be involved in the overall plot to push the Salamancas out and kill him in Mexico.aTmAg said:
So how does the Lalo standoff end? And what does he expect to get out of Kim and Saul? I don't get what he expects to get out of them this time that he couldn't get out last time. Seems like a strange move on his part.
The only thing I can think of is threaten Kim and Saul to try to get Mike to fess up to them somehow. But I can't think of how that ends without either Saul/Kim dying (highly unlikely since Saul is walking around in BB) or Lalo getting killed by Mike (but Saul would know that).
Thats a really good guess
My one liner post right after i watched was 'tragic!'larry culpepper said:
Reddit comment about Howard. Couldn't agree more. Most tragic death of a major character in the BB/BCS universe, obviously excluding Andrea and Drew Sharp.Quote:
I think Howard's death was perhaps the most tragic death in all of the BB/BCS universe.
Although Hank's death was very sad, he died doing what he believed in, standing tall.
Not only was Nacho in the game, he also had the best death possible considering his circumstances. Died on his own terms and got what he wanted the most in the entire world: his father's safety.
Although Chuck was innocent as far as the law goes, he was far from a blameless victim. He was deceptive and malevolent towards his brother, and you can argue that he played a very important role in his demise.
But Howard was actually just tragic. He didn't do anything remotely close to justify Kim and Jimmy's wrath. What's even worse is that not only is he innocent and definitely not in the game, his death was absolutely meaningless. He didn't die for some value he held in extremely high regard. He didn't die because he had it coming.
Most deaths in this universe are either somewhat justified by the character's actions or martyrish in nature. Meanwhile Howard's death was meaningless and ultimately pathetic.
Pretty sad if you ask me
There were things not to like about howard but he was the only major character i recall truly trying to do the right thing for the entire show. ****ed over by everyone, unappreciated by anyone, ultimately killed pointlessly because thats where drug and mafia culture ends.
This is correct. Lalo was shown an area at Los Pollos warehouses, not at the laundry business.cbr said:No. They showed him a warehouse insteadNKnow Your Enemy said:No, he saw the lab. They just told him it was a chicken chiller.Complete Idiot said:I think what Lalo saw was another site, above ground, allegedly being built for a Chiller.aTmAg said:Lalo has already seen the empty hole that will someday be a lab. He asked about the north/south wall (I forget what direction). Gus and Mike had a cover story for all of that. Not sure any of that would provide "proof".Complete Idiot said:Well, his plan was to kill all the guards and film the inside of the drug lab Fring was building - but thwarted by the Chicken Man due to the phone tap on the nursing home line. So he is improvising a bit - threw off Mike and protection with the fake phone message about attacking Gus, then instead when to Jimmy's. He never felt right about that exchange with Kim and Jimmy in the apartment before he headed down to Mexico, he's back to get the full story. I don't know if filming a Jimmy confession (Mike from Gus's crew was there to protect me when I picked up your money) would be proof enough, but Lalo suspects Jimmy may be involved in the overall plot to push the Salamancas out and kill him in Mexico.aTmAg said:
So how does the Lalo standoff end? And what does he expect to get out of Kim and Saul? I don't get what he expects to get out of them this time that he couldn't get out last time. Seems like a strange move on his part.
The only thing I can think of is threaten Kim and Saul to try to get Mike to fess up to them somehow. But I can't think of how that ends without either Saul/Kim dying (highly unlikely since Saul is walking around in BB) or Lalo getting killed by Mike (but Saul would know that).
Inside the Los Pollos warehouse:
After meeting Mike, leaving the Los Pollos warehouse:
Damn, my bad. Not sure how I missed that.cbr said:No. They showed him a warehouse insteadNKnow Your Enemy said:No, he saw the lab. They just told him it was a chicken chiller.Complete Idiot said:I think what Lalo saw was another site, above ground, allegedly being built for a Chiller.aTmAg said:Lalo has already seen the empty hole that will someday be a lab. He asked about the north/south wall (I forget what direction). Gus and Mike had a cover story for all of that. Not sure any of that would provide "proof".Complete Idiot said:Well, his plan was to kill all the guards and film the inside of the drug lab Fring was building - but thwarted by the Chicken Man due to the phone tap on the nursing home line. So he is improvising a bit - threw off Mike and protection with the fake phone message about attacking Gus, then instead when to Jimmy's. He never felt right about that exchange with Kim and Jimmy in the apartment before he headed down to Mexico, he's back to get the full story. I don't know if filming a Jimmy confession (Mike from Gus's crew was there to protect me when I picked up your money) would be proof enough, but Lalo suspects Jimmy may be involved in the overall plot to push the Salamancas out and kill him in Mexico.aTmAg said:
So how does the Lalo standoff end? And what does he expect to get out of Kim and Saul? I don't get what he expects to get out of them this time that he couldn't get out last time. Seems like a strange move on his part.
The only thing I can think of is threaten Kim and Saul to try to get Mike to fess up to them somehow. But I can't think of how that ends without either Saul/Kim dying (highly unlikely since Saul is walking around in BB) or Lalo getting killed by Mike (but Saul would know that).
Is Howard the first major character in BB or BCS to die with zero direct connection to the drug trade? I'm talking major characters - Hank (and Gomez) not IN the drug trade but took on known risks in battling it. Kid on motorcycle, and a PLANE FULL OF PEOPLE, were not major characters. Andrea might be the closest.
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