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So was the car following Kim and Jimmy at the end of episode 1 ( or was it episode 2???) one of Mike's guys? The same one she confronted last night? The obvious difference was in the previous episode it was just the driver, this time it was two people. Same type of Chevy sedan though. Seems like that first car following them happened before most of the stuff blew up with Salamanca and Gus.

No reason to think otherwise.

Mike has a bunch of guys. So it wasn't necessarily the same guy following her. In fact, if they want to keep themselves hidden, they would rotate. If one was following the whole time, and Lalo was watching, then he would spot them, and that would be less than ideal.

And complaining that this was a meh episode is like complaining that S5e1 of BB was boring after the end of season 4. They could easily write a shootout every episode, but that would be a crappy show. It would be like Knight Rider where EVERY episode he would jump his car once at the end. And 8 year olds would cheer (while parents roll their eyes). We don't want that.

Agreed. This episode was classic story telling. Had to move several plots forward.

This isn't a sitcom with a bow tie every week.

Know Your Enemy said:

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I guess I was the only amused that Gus wears a clip on tie to work.

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I don't haver many ties, and no clip-ons, but damn they seem convenient.

bigjag19 said:

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Agreed. This episode was classic story telling. Had to move several plots forward.

This isn't a sitcom with a bow tie every week.

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To me, the details and thread tying has always been spot on and episodes like this do just that. Even in this episode, Gus complains to Mike about the guy in his restaurant not being up to Pollos standards. Gus is so freaking controlling that one of his on the ground protectors doesn't cook chicken right and he feels the need to point it out.

I also said "clip-ons? Come on Gus".

Toilet in the middle of the future Saul office/golden throne toilet in his house?

The Mike and Kim scene leads into my endgame scenario pretty well...but more on that later.

We know the fate of most of the characters in BCS thanks to BB, except 3...Howard, Kim and Lalo. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember them being referenced by name in BB. For Howard, I think Jimmy and Kim's plan works and Howard is discredited legally and personally and he goes a bit crazy and tries to do something to Jimmy that lands him in jail, or he really goes off the deep end and kills himself. Both are possible.

Kim and Lalo are a bit more interesting. I think Lalo has a thing for Kim. He has made comments about her before and I think he is a bit more then interested in her especially after she told him off in her apartment. We know Lalo thinks Jimmy lied to him and doesn't really like him, but he is intrigued by Kim. I think Lalo does something like kidnap Kim or something else to her to get back at Jimmy and Kim ends up killing Lalo. Mike likes Kim more then Jimmy because he thinks she is smarter, and to help her escape the wrath of the Salamanca's, Mike helps Kim fake her death and sends her to the vacuum cleaner man. Jimmy thinks she's dead, as do the Salamanca's. This would mean that the 4 main players from BCS and BB all went to the vacuum cleaner man to get on with their lives...except of course Walt...we know how that ends. Could Kim and Jimmy meet up again in Omaha? Maybe. We still haven't seen Gene yet and we know how boring his life is in Omaha. So maybe the creators would like to give Jimmy/Saul/Gene a happy ending and we may get to see Jimmy and Kim together again.

Just my wild guess...we will see.

Two parts I keep thinking about:

1. Kim telling Wendy that she would represent her going forward, seemed to be a little emphasis there.

2. Hamlin even offering his therapist a job. I mean for real, wtf is that. Great little nugget into his personality, and him also offering Jimmy a job.

Teddy Perkins said:

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This episode was solid and not just filler, IMO. You can't have a major character death every episode and this one moved the ball down the field. We learned who was following Kim. We discovered how and why Saul opens his office in a strip center. We get the fantastic scene with Kim and Mike and the reveal to Kim that Lalo is not dead as well as Kim not disclosing that information to Saul, for now. We also had progression in the Hamlin scheme. Not to mention the cameos of Wendy, Spooge, and Cucumber Water Lady.

Pending questions ripe for theories:

• Where is Lalo and what proof is he after to show Fring is working against the cartel? Leading theory for me is something to do with the lab the Germans were building for Gus.
• What's going to happen to Kim?
• How is the scheme against Hamlin going to play out?
• Is Skinny Pete or Badger, Cliff Main's son with a drug problem?

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All of this is true and still keeps my interest, but I've grown very bored with the whole Hamlin scheme. Ready for that to wrap up.

Doesn't that imply Lalo is still out there and unaccounted for?

I see, I see.

Teddy Perkins said:

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This episode was solid and not just filler, IMO. You can't have a major character death every episode and this one moved the ball down the field. We learned who was following Kim. We discovered how and why Saul opens his office in a strip center. We get the fantastic scene with Kim and Mike and the reveal to Kim that Lalo is not dead as well as Kim not disclosing that information to Saul, for now. We also had progression in the Hamlin scheme. Not to mention the cameos of Wendy, Spooge, and Cucumber Water Lady.

Pending questions ripe for theories:

• Where is Lalo and what proof is he after to show Fring is working against the cartel? Leading theory for me is something to do with the lab the Germans were building for Gus.
• What's going to happen to Kim?
• How is the scheme against Hamlin going to play out?
• Is Skinny Pete or Badger, Cliff Main's son with a drug problem?

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Next episode was Mike talking to Gus in the currently under construction lab, correct? So maybe first bullet is there.

4th bullet, good call, both skinny Pete and Badger were music guys like Cliff. Obviously Pete is way better than Badger.

Know Your Enemy said:

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I guess I was the only amused that Gus wears a clip on tie to work.

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I mean it's not exactly new information, but I continue to enjoy that.

Also, I'm doubling down on my theory that Kim ends up in jail.

The whole Howard thing is going to blow up in their face, and I think Saul will betray her to keep himself out of jail.

I think this guilt is part of why he is so depressed in the Gene scenes, not just losing his previous life.

Oh, and I really enjoyed seeing Wendy and Kim interact. It felt like a really cool way of these two universes meeting, especially since Kim is only ever seen in BCS.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Also, I'm doubling down on my theory that Kim ends up in jail.

The whole Howard thing is going to blow up in their face, and I think Saul will betray her to keep himself out of jail.

I think this guilt is part of why he is so depressed in the Gene scenes, not just losing his previous life.

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If it was a he-said/she-said then he is the bigger fish. He is the one got Lalo off. He is the one they would rather take down. So I would think that if he betrayed Kim, then she'd betray him right back and he'd be the one in jail.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Pretty much this.

I am so invested in this world and in these characters that I can spend a whole episode just following their lives and not need a huge event to keep me interested.

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Yeah you right about this. We spoiled talking about filler episodes.

He is a friend of the cartel, and she is not.

Maybe Mike says she has to keep quiet or they'll have to kill Jimmy, or something along those lines.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Know Your Enemy said:

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I guess I was the only amused that Gus wears a clip on tie to work.

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I mean it's not exactly new information, but I continue to enjoy that.

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I've never picked up on that before, I guess.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Oh, and I really enjoyed seeing Wendy and Kim interact. It felt like a really cool way of these two universes meeting, especially since Kim is only ever seen in BCS.

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It seemed like a real specific thing when Kim offered legal services at any time, for free, to Wendy. Could just be showing Kim cares for the disadvantaged, while also being OK with a somewhat nonsensical attack on Howard and OK with Jimmy's cartel activity, but I also remember Wendy being questioned by the DEA and Hank in Breaking Bad and it makes you wonder if Kim was out there helping her somehow through that.

I'm personally in the Kim is "gone" (dead/jailed/fled into self exile) during Breaking Bad timeline camp, but who knows what the writers have planned.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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He is a friend of the cartel, and she is not.

Maybe Mike says she has to keep quiet or they'll have to kill Jimmy, or something along those lines.

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Him being a friend of the cartel would make them want to go after him more.

I don't think Jimmy would do it. He would take jail before imposing it on her.

Still think the Howard ruse goes south because Jimmy goes too far while Kim wants to stop, and Kim ends up the one that pays the price.

Well, I think the ruminating in isolation is what changes his outlook.