*** Better Call Saul - Season 6 ***

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Complete Idiot said:

I'm just making fun of myself for even thinking, while watching a TV drama, about how the inside of a tanker would look if abandoned for years in Mexico, not intended as making light of the hydrocarbon in confined space comments. Agree he went from immediately coughing due to the air and then submerging himself in it pretty effortlessly - but I try to turn that critical part of my brain off, it's TV.
With all due respect, you are a Complete Idiot so there is that. I just couldn't get over the confined space training I've had for 30 years, but I can easily handle stealing product off of a train that you blocked in a quantity that wouldn't be missed in inventory logs.

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The idea won't take off with the pissing match that this thread inevitably turns into
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Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

Complete Idiot said:

I'm just making fun of myself for even thinking, while watching a TV drama, about how the inside of a tanker would look if abandoned for years in Mexico, not intended as making light of the hydrocarbon in confined space comments. Agree he went from immediately coughing due to the air and then submerging himself in it pretty effortlessly - but I try to turn that critical part of my brain off, it's TV.
With all due respect, you are a Complete Idiot so there is that. I just couldn't get over the confined space training I've had for 30 years, but I can easily handle stealing product off of a train that you blocked in a quantity that wouldn't be missed in inventory logs.


I'm with you on the confined space training. I wrote a near miss on Nacho as soon as that scene was over.
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Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

Complete Idiot said:

I'm just making fun of myself for even thinking, while watching a TV drama, about how the inside of a tanker would look if abandoned for years in Mexico, not intended as making light of the hydrocarbon in confined space comments. Agree he went from immediately coughing due to the air and then submerging himself in it pretty effortlessly - but I try to turn that critical part of my brain off, it's TV.
With all due respect, you are a Complete Idiot so there is that. I just couldn't get over the confined space training I've had for 30 years, but I can easily handle stealing product off of a train that you blocked in a quantity that wouldn't be missed in inventory logs.
They clearly explained how the missing methylamine wouldn't be an issue.
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The episode has cratered all the way to a 9.8 on IMDb.

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt12187032/?ref_=m_ttep_ep_ep3
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So one lingering question I have about the Nacho situation, and I'm not sure if I missed a detail or it's kind of left up to us, but --

Why was Gus going after Nacho's father in the first place?

I guess if he planned to hold him hostage to get Nacho to stay quiet, but if I recall the order of events, Gus was still hoping Nacho was going to be taken out, correct?

I'm a bit confused on how exactly he planned on using the leverage, if there was still a subterfuge of them trying to locate Nacho but were actually leaving him there to die or get captured.

Had he gotten captured, Gus wouldn't really have a way of communicating with Nacho that his father was being held.

Not sure if I'm even explaining my confusion correctly...
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So nacho would be motivated to get close to Lalo (risky business) and feed info back to Gus
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Did Mike know that Nacho was gonna break free from the zip tie? He didn't seem surprised when it happened.
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Was there any indication of that? I'm sure I might have missed something.

And I doubt Mike knew Nacho would break free. Mike is just always that cool and collected.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Was there any indication of that? I'm sure I might have missed something.

And I doubt Mike knew Nacho would break free. Mike is just always that cool and collected.
Remember that scene in the SUV where Tyrus went into a restaurant and stood behind Nacho's dad, and Nacho was sure they were going to hurt/kill him, and then Gus pops into the SUV and says something like "nothing will happen to him if you tell me everything Lalo is doing"?
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double aught said:

Did Mike know that Nacho was gonna break free from the zip tie? He didn't seem surprised when it happened.
When does Mike ever look surprised? Lol.
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Oh, I mean from this season. I do remember that, but that was way back when. My confusion is about the current situation, where that deal is not really relevant anymore.

Specifically, the scene where right after telling Mike to ignore Nacho's call, he orders Tyrus to grab Nacho's dad and Mike stops him.
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Exactly. That's why I can't tell if he knew it was coming or not. Dammit Mike, I need to know!
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This might help answer some of these questions.
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Know Your Enemy said:

double aught said:

Did Mike know that Nacho was gonna break free from the zip tie? He didn't seem surprised when it happened.
When does Mike ever look surprised? Lol.
The only time I can think of is in BB, right after Gus slits Victor's throat with the box cutter.
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Know Your Enemy said:

double aught said:

Did Mike know that Nacho was gonna break free from the zip tie? He didn't seem surprised when it happened.
When does Mike ever look surprised? Lol.
the only time i can remember Mike looking surprised was when Gus killed Victor with the box cutter in breaking bad.

he pulled his gun real quick
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Oh, I mean from this season. I do remember that, but that was way back when. My confusion is about the current situation, where that deal is not really relevant anymore.

Specifically, the scene where right after telling Mike to ignore Nacho's call, he orders Tyrus to grab Nacho's dad and Mike stops him.
Well, it was like 10 episodes ago but I'm not sure how much calendar time that represents. The leverage is always to get Nacho to be his pawn under threat of harm to his father. Gus still wants Nacho to sell the Peruvian story and the main threat, beyond threat to Nacho's own life, is threat to Nacho's dad - and it works.
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Broad strokes, I do understand, but I guess the logistics are what confuse me.

At that point in time, nobody has communicated to Nacho what exactly they want him to do, right? As far as he knows, he's still on the run and trying to evade capture.

So I don't fully understand why Gus, through Mike, doesn't communicate with him that he needs to get captured and sell the story, with the threat of killing his father. That would have probably been all they needed to do rather than actually kidnapping him first.

Full disclosure, I'm aware I'm probably way overthinking it and it might make perfect sense to me on rewatch.
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double aught said:

Did Mike know that Nacho was gonna break free from the zip tie? He didn't seem surprised when it happened.
Don't believe so, the plan was to break and run so he could be shot by Victor, but once it happened, Mike was Mike I guess.

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If he gets captured they would torture him until he cracks.
The whole set up here was that he would talk enough to say what they needed him to say, then try to run and get killed before he could spill anything important.
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Yeah, that part of the plan I'm perfectly clear on. Once he's brought back across the border.
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Mike said something along the lines of "there's a lot of ways this could go wrong" so I don't think he was surprised.

When Mike whispered "do it" was he wanting Nacho to shoot Bolsa or himself?
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AgPediRPh said:

Mike said something along the lines of "there's a lot of ways this could go wrong" so I don't think he was surprised.

When Mike whispered "do it" was he wanting Nacho to shoot Bolsa or himself?
When they were going over the plan, he also made a comment along the lines of "And remember, your hands will be zip-tied.." so i don't think he expected him to break free.

I assumed the "do it" comment was in regard to taking out Bolsa.
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oragator said:

The episode has cratered all the way to a 9.8 on IMDb.

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt12187032/?ref_=m_ttep_ep_ep3


Unwatchable
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Know Your Enemy said:

double aught said:

Did Mike know that Nacho was gonna break free from the zip tie? He didn't seem surprised when it happened.
When does Mike ever look surprised? Lol.
The only time I can think of is in BB, right after Gus slits Victor's throat with the box cutter.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Broad strokes, I do understand, but I guess the logistics are what confuse me.

At that point in time, nobody has communicated to Nacho what exactly they want him to do, right? As far as he knows, he's still on the run and trying to evade capture.

So I don't fully understand why Gus, through Mike, doesn't communicate with him that he needs to get captured and sell the story, with the threat of killing his father. That would have probably been all they needed to do rather than actually kidnapping him first.

Full disclosure, I'm aware I'm probably way overthinking it and it might make perfect sense to me on rewatch.

I'm trying to follow your line of reasoning to see where the confusion is.

Broadly, nacho has known for a long time (since at least season 5)that his dad is being used as leverage, first by Hector, then by Gus. Nacho is completely in a box. He wants to escape somehow but doesn't have a plan how to do it.

Gus knows that Nacho caused Hector's stroke. Gus could turn Nacho in and get him killed by the Salamancas. Instead, Gus uses nacho's dad as perpetual leverage because even if Nacho somehow escapes to Canada or decides to off himself, his dad would suffer.

Nacho gets in deep when he has to go to Chihuahua with Lalo unexpectedly, meet Eladio, etc. He's still got the dream of "getting out of the game" but the options are closing the deeper he gets in. He facilitates the ambush at Gus's direction, still hoping to escape.

When he's hiding out at the hotel he figures out that it's Gus and Mike keeping him there and ultimately planning to kill him because he's got dangerous info. At that point he knows he's completely cooked, both groups wanting him dead, no route of escape. The only thing he can achieve at that point is assurance that his dad won't be harmed, and to have as decent a death as possible.

You know the rest.....
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Sports-Ag said:

Saw this online


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Quote:

When he's hiding out at the hotel he figures out that it's Gus and Mike keeping him there and ultimately planning to kill him because he's got dangerous info.
Gus and Tyrus. I think Mike was actually out of the loop for a bit about what Gus and Tyrus were doing w/ Nacho, and any plans Gus may have had originally got screwed up when he figured out Lalo had survived.

Still, even without Lalo surviving, you have to figure the cartel would have searched for Nacho, so I don't know how there was ever a smooth way out for him. For about a minute, I actually thought Mike might intervene to get him vacuumed. *I mean, I guess the only plan Gus and Tyrus had was for Nacho to go down shooting w/ the twins at the motel.
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Harry Lime said:


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When he's hiding out at the hotel he figures out that it's Gus and Mike keeping him there and ultimately planning to kill him because he's got dangerous info.
Gus and Tyrus. I think Mike was actually out of the loop for a bit about what Gus and Tyrus were doing w/ Nacho, and any plans Gus may have had originally got screwed up when he figured out Lalo had survived.


Now the fun speculation. We are pretty sure Lalo doesn't survive if "last Salamanca" is true, Gus knows deep down Lalo is out there, what is the play now that Nacho is out of the picture? Is that next episode or several away? Can Gus beat Lalo to the proof?

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No idea on specifics, but I feel like it'll be a game of cat and mouse between Lalo and Gus for the rest of the episodes of part 1, ultimately leading to Lalo's death.
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But somehow Saul can't know Lalo is dead in the BB timeline. Will be interesting to see how they resolve that issue. Right now Saul thinks he's dead like everyone else but he has to learn at some point that Lalo survived.
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Does anyone think Gene/Saul might turn himself in to face the legal punishments. Always tip toed around the law, maybe he might wants to break good in the end.

Obviously they gave him a chance to turn on the cartel in episode 3.
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YNWA_AG said:

Does anyone think Gene/Saul might turn himself in to face the legal punishments. Always tip toed around the law, maybe he might wants to break good in the end.

Obviously they gave him a chance to turn on the cartel in episode 3.


Would be a great excuse to have him fearing for his life after being kidnapped by Walt and Jesse
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