*** Better Call Saul - Season 6 ***

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

I think Jimmy betrays her to save himself. I think the Kim is dead or leaves Jimmy possibilities are almost a little too obvious.

The tail at the end of episode 2 might be introducing the storyline that leads to that.

I'm leaning more towards this angle as well. Just can't see them killing off Kim. Maybe she'll appear in Gene's world since he's in Omaha and she was from Nebraska.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

I think Jimmy betrays her to save himself. I think the Kim is dead or leaves Jimmy possibilities are almost a little too obvious.

The tail at the end of episode 2 might be introducing the storyline that leads to that.
Cant see him betraying Kim if he keeps the bottle topper.

I could see Jimmy giving up a life with her to save the two of them though.
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torrid said:

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Good question, because I don't remember either.
OK, I just remembered this promo for Season 6 clearly showing him as a wanted criminal. Shoot a hole in my theory.

One thing though. In the Gene timeline, it seems like he more fears that someone is coming to kill him rather than coming to arrest him. Like when he thought the guy at the mall was staring at him.



And if you call that number, the "out of service" voice sure sounds like Bob Odenkirk.




I have a crazy theory that Gene is taking place between Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad.

Would explain how he knows what his alias would be when he talks to Walt about using the service.
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Wouldn't really make sense since he watches a bunch of old commercials remisicing about his Saul days.
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He is currently Saul though, no? He is watching commercials that he made during BCS that convinced him to return for the BB timeframe.

Like I said, crazy theory.
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I think it'd be a step too far in misdirection personally. And a lot would have to happen in a short amount of time. He still isn't well known in Albuquerque, much less to have a known catchphrase that someone would recognize him for.
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If vacuum guy disappeared him from BCS situation how would that need to be disappeared be removed allowing him back into BB timeline? And I doubt vacuum guy would disappear him a second time if he had given up the situation the first time
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It's not a "crazy theory" as you state multiple times. It's completely asinine and only someone who's had major head trauma would think it's in any way plausible or possible. That's worse than the "Kim turns into Wendy the hooker in Breaking Bad" nonsense that's been put out there a few times over the years. Unless Gilligan & Gould actually started using meth there is no way this take could ever be true. You should ban yourself until after the BCS finale at which time you would be required to issue a written apology to everyone on the board that had to read your posts.
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Vacuum guy only disappears people one time.

You got one shot.

Vacuum guy says don't come back,
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Vacuum guy only disappears people one time.

You got one shot.

Vacuum guy says don't come back,

That's not accurate though. Jesse bailed on him in BB but went back to him in El Camino. He had to pay for both of them though. And he was going to help Gene disappear again in BCS after the cabbie recognized him. He tells Gene the pickup point will be at the same place he was dropped off before Gene says to forget about it when he decides to handle the problem himself.
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Know Your Enemy said:

It's not a "crazy theory" as you state multiple times. It's completely asinine and only someone who's had major head trauma would think it's in any way plausible or possible. That's worse than the "Kim turns into Wendy the hooker in Breaking Bad" nonsense that's been put out there a few times over the years. Unless Gilligan & Gould actually started using meth there is no way this take could ever be true. You should ban yourself until after the BCS finale at which time you would be required to issue a written apology to everyone on the board that had to read your posts.


I did have some concussions in high school football so I'll pass on the apology and "self ban."
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TCTTS said:

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Rewatching.

I think the tequila stopper ties Kim to Saul's mansion.

Can you really imagine Kim living in a gaudy place like that? I highly doubt it. And if she lived there why were none of her things there. We saw a woman's thong and a package of Viagra. That's about the only evidence I saw that would indicate a woman ever set foot in that place.

Valid point, and I'm betting she probably doesn't live there. That said, she *does* seem to be fairly influential in shaping the Saul mystique. In these last two episodes she suggested Jimmy drive a car more befitting to Saul, and that he have a "cathedral of justice." Given that, I can see a situation in which she becomes some kind of "architect of Saul" the deeper she gets, and becomes more and more okay with all the gaudiness the more she "breaks bad." Again, I don't think it's likely, but it's not at all out of the realm of possibility.
But that's the entire premise of this show- a corrupt dude who thinks he's "doing the right thing" takes someone who truly does the right thing, and slowly corrupts them to the point of destroying them. We all wonder how these people "break bad"…..and now you've seen 2 if not 3 examples of that from both of these shows (Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul)

The show isn't just about Jimmy's journey to become Saul….it's just as much about Kim's downward spiral simply because of her love for Jimmy, which ultimately will end her.

That being said, I don't think Kim is at all in the Breaking Bad universe. Because she's gone- for whatever reason- Jimmy just goes full tilt into making as much money as he can and sleep with whoever he wants because he's trying to fill that void left by Kim. That opening sequence from the first episode is just showing how far he truly was able to go - and we never saw his house in Breaking Bad.
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Know Your Enemy said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Vacuum guy only disappears people one time.

You got one shot.

Vacuum guy says don't come back,

That's not accurate though. Jesse bailed on him in BB but went back to him in El Camino. He had to pay for both of them though. And he was going to help Gene disappear again in BCS after the cabbie recognized him. He tells Gene the pickup point will be at the same place he was dropped off before Gene says to forget about it when he decides to handle the problem himself.
Forgot about all that, you right.
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True Anomaly said:

TCTTS said:

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Rewatching.

I think the tequila stopper ties Kim to Saul's mansion.

Can you really imagine Kim living in a gaudy place like that? I highly doubt it. And if she lived there why were none of her things there. We saw a woman's thong and a package of Viagra. That's about the only evidence I saw that would indicate a woman ever set foot in that place.

Valid point, and I'm betting she probably doesn't live there. That said, she *does* seem to be fairly influential in shaping the Saul mystique. In these last two episodes she suggested Jimmy drive a car more befitting to Saul, and that he have a "cathedral of justice." Given that, I can see a situation in which she becomes some kind of "architect of Saul" the deeper she gets, and becomes more and more okay with all the gaudiness the more she "breaks bad." Again, I don't think it's likely, but it's not at all out of the realm of possibility.
But that's the entire premise of this show- a corrupt dude who thinks he's "doing the right thing" takes someone who truly does the right thing, and slowly corrupts them to the point of destroying them. We all wonder how these people "break bad"…..and now you've seen 2 if not 3 examples of that from both of these shows (Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul)

The show isn't just about Jimmy's journey to become Saul….it's just as much about Kim's downward spiral simply because of her love for Jimmy, which ultimately will end her.

That being said, I don't think Kim is at all in the Breaking Bad universe. Because she's gone- for whatever reason- Jimmy just goes full tilt into making as much money as he can and sleep with whoever he wants because he's trying to fill that void left by Kim. That opening sequence from the first episode is just showing how far he truly was able to go - and we never saw his house in Breaking Bad.


I don't know who you're arguing with, but it ain't me. I agree with everything you're saying, and nothing I said negates any of this.
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After a rewatch of episodes 1&2, I'm now convinced that Lalo's proof is going to be Nacho. Mike says as much, and if Mike thinks Lalo is after Nacho, so do I. When Gus met with Hector, Gus tells Hector they are also after Nacho. Later in the episode, Mike takes the call from Nacho and tells him "it's not my call." My theory is that Mike is going to convince Gus that he should go get Nacho. Gus will want to turn over Nacho's corpse to Hector and the cousins to appease Eladio and in hopes that the Salamancas back off. Mike lobbies for Nacho's dad safe harboring and Gus agrees. Going to suck, but Mike is going to have to kill Nacho, but Nacho can die in peace knowing his dad is not in danger.
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TCTTS said:

True Anomaly said:

TCTTS said:

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Rewatching.

I think the tequila stopper ties Kim to Saul's mansion.

Can you really imagine Kim living in a gaudy place like that? I highly doubt it. And if she lived there why were none of her things there. We saw a woman's thong and a package of Viagra. That's about the only evidence I saw that would indicate a woman ever set foot in that place.

Valid point, and I'm betting she probably doesn't live there. That said, she *does* seem to be fairly influential in shaping the Saul mystique. In these last two episodes she suggested Jimmy drive a car more befitting to Saul, and that he have a "cathedral of justice." Given that, I can see a situation in which she becomes some kind of "architect of Saul" the deeper she gets, and becomes more and more okay with all the gaudiness the more she "breaks bad." Again, I don't think it's likely, but it's not at all out of the realm of possibility.
But that's the entire premise of this show- a corrupt dude who thinks he's "doing the right thing" takes someone who truly does the right thing, and slowly corrupts them to the point of destroying them. We all wonder how these people "break bad"…..and now you've seen 2 if not 3 examples of that from both of these shows (Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul)

The show isn't just about Jimmy's journey to become Saul….it's just as much about Kim's downward spiral simply because of her love for Jimmy, which ultimately will end her.

That being said, I don't think Kim is at all in the Breaking Bad universe. Because she's gone- for whatever reason- Jimmy just goes full tilt into making as much money as he can and sleep with whoever he wants because he's trying to fill that void left by Kim. That opening sequence from the first episode is just showing how far he truly was able to go - and we never saw his house in Breaking Bad.


I don't know who you're arguing with, but it ain't me. I agree with everything you're saying, and nothing I said negates any of this.
More just riffing on ideas than trying to negate anything.
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A thought I had was that Saul betrays Kim in some way. Like perhaps it is between his client and hers. And he does something that causes her to lose (maybe to protect himself, Lalo, Gus, or whoever) , and she doesn't know it. Then later she finds out and leaves him. And that is when he has gone "full Saul".
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I'm now convinced that Lalo's proof is going to be Nacho


Of course it is, both Mike and Lalo himself tell you this.

I genuinely have no idea why this is a debate. The show tells you it's Nacho. It punches you in the fact with it.
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It's not Nacho.
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aTmAg said:

A thought I had was that Saul betrays Kim in some way. Like perhaps it is between his client and hers. And he does something that causes her to lose (maybe to protect himself, Lalo, Gus, or whoever) , and she doesn't know it. Then later she finds out and leaves him. And that is when he has gone "full Saul".


The thing is, he never goes "full Saul". Jimmy routinely makes an appearance in BB.

Take this scene for instance. Walt is talking to Jimmy here, not Saul.



He never truly transforms like Walt did. Saul is always and was always a facade. It's never a real identity.
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aTmAg said:

A thought I had was that Saul betrays Kim in some way. Like perhaps it is between his client and hers. And he does something that causes her to lose (maybe to protect himself, Lalo, Gus, or whoever) , and she doesn't know it. Then later she finds out and leaves him. And that is when he has gone "full Saul".


You mean the thing I said a few posts back.
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Don't think Kim is dead, but do think there is a major betrayal by Saul. Exhibit A is how she wanted to pull the plug on the Mesa Verde stunt, Saul agrees and they have the meeting set up to settle, but then Saul does his own thing by deciding to take it to the next level. He can't help himself and Kim's well-being always ends up secondary. This Howard stunt is going to end up the same way and he's gonna burn her. She loses her license and loses what she loves which is standing up for/defending the little guy
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Damn it, Saul and Jazz/Mavs game five are on at the same time. This is going to be tricky.
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TCTTS said:

Damn it, Saul and Jazz/Mavs game five are on at the same time. This is going to be tricky.

Game Won't start until 8:40 or so. It'll still be first quarter when BCS ends.
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Yeah, good call. Just going to have miss the first quarter. This is apparently a big episode, so I want to make sure and start on time to avoid any social media hints or spoilers.

This is the way.
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Looks like Entertainment Weekly accidentally put out an episode 3 review a bit early - the link is deleted but Google still has it cached.

This is a challenge to my self control and willpower.
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You can watch highlights. This is not difficult.
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Complete Idiot said:

Looks like Entertainment Weekly accidentally put out an episode 3 review a bit early - the link is deleted but Google still has it cached.

This is a challenge to my self control and willpower.
Yeah, I started to read that last night thinking it was about last week's episode and was confused. Once I realized what it really was I immediately deleted the browser. Thankfully I didn't see any real spoilers or I would have been pissed.
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Complete Idiot said:

Looks like Entertainment Weekly accidentally put out an episode 3 review a bit early - the link is deleted but Google still has it cached.

This is a challenge to my self control and willpower.
Removing thread from watchlist now. Will add it back after tonight's episode. This is the way.
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Apparently they were ultra secretive and flew Cranston/Paul into ABQ without anyone knowing.

Really wonder why they decided to let the cat out of the bag about their appearance in the season right before airing.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Apparently they were ultra secretive and flew Cranston/Paul into ABQ without anyone knowing.

Really wonder why they decided to let the cat out of the bag about their appearance in the season right before airing.
They basically said they didn't want to have to lie or evade the inevitable questions they get asked every season about those two showing up in BCS.
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TCTTS said:

Damn it, Saul and Jazz/Mavs game five are on at the same time. This is going to be tricky.

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Do you post on NSBB by any chance? Someone posted this exact gif at almost the same time on a BCS thread there.
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Ha, no. But I may have to check it out now.
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Know Your Enemy said:

Brian Earl Spilner said:

Apparently they were ultra secretive and flew Cranston/Paul into ABQ without anyone knowing.

Really wonder why they decided to let the cat out of the bag about their appearance in the season right before airing.
They basically said they didn't want to have to lie or evade the inevitable questions they get asked every season about those two showing up in BCS.


Gould also said there are so many twists/turns/surprises this season, that the Walt/Jesse thing basically pales in comparison.
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