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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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One question is, how did Gus figure out Lalo is alive from that meeting with Hector? The handshake was a bit too amiable and it aroused suspicion?

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Yes, the fact that he shook his hand and appeared to look Gus in the eyes caused Fring to realize Lalo is alive - I think Gus literally said the handshake is what told him Lalo is alive.

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As I said earlier, Gus knows Hector despises him so the hand shake was a huge tell for Hector to have to put in that much effort.

No idea on what the proof Lalo is searching for, but Gus had this figured out early and based on the previous discussion of "all the Salamancas are dead", Lalo probably gets close, but finally falls to someone before he gets Gus/Nacho or whatever.

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When I first watched it, I figured Hector offered his hand for a handshake as a ruse for misdirection. He wanted Gus to think Lalo was dead and get comfortable, but Gus saw right through the ruse. This view is a bit like Vito Corleone deducing that it was Barzini all along.

I went back and watched it a second time. Hector has the same evil grin on his face as when he blew up Gus in BrBa. I think he was trying to communicate to Gus that Lalo was still alive, and he was telling Gus we're gonna get you MF-er. I knew it was you Gus, and you broke my heart.

At least that it my take.

This is amazing.

TCTTS said:

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Latest Ringer podcast thinks it's Lalo in the black car at the end of episode two, following Jimmy and Kim, and that they're his "proof."

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That was my immediate thought when they showed the car at the end of the episode.
The only reason that seems off, is that he didn't end up getting in the haystack to cross the border, so that makes me think his evidence was in Mexico.

Something still leads to Jimmy being involved in this part of the plot, right?

So The Prestige TV Podcast definitely seems like the one to listen to this season. I love Chris and Andy on The Watch, but Joanna and Ben on the Prestige recap do an incredible job going through every plot point/character, discussing various theories, refreshing us on early BCS/Breaking Bad call backs, etc...

https://www.theringer.com/prestige-tv-podcast

I just listened to their first episode, which dropped on Wednesday, and one theory they briefly discussed that I hadn't considered is Kim not only being alive during Breaking Bad, but *in* Albuquerque and still *with* Jimmy/Saul. In other words, maybe we just didn't see her during Breaking Bad, since we saw basically none of Saul's home life, and that the way they include Walt and Jessie this season is that we go all the way into the Breaking Bad timeline, and they RE-DO certain scenes from Breaking Bad, but from a different perspective, to where we follow Saul home or wherever, and Kim's there (until she's not, for whatever reason).

I'm sure there are potential holes in this theory, but something about it feels like something Gilligan and Gould might very well try. Who knows...

TCTTS said:

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So The Prestige TV Podcast definitely seems like the one to listen to this season. I love Chris and Andy on The Watch, but Joanna and Ben on the Prestige recap do an incredible job going through every plot point/character, discussing various theories, refreshing us on early BCS/Breaking Bad call backs, etc...

https://www.theringer.com/prestige-tv-podcast

I just listened to their first episode, which dropped on Wednesday, and one theory they briefly discussed that I hadn't considered is Kim not only being alive during Breaking Bad, but *in* Albuquerque and still *with* Jimmy/Saul. In other words, maybe we just didn't see her during Breaking Bad, since we saw basically none of Saul's home life, and that the way they include Walt and Jessie this season is that we go all the way into the Breaking Bad timeline, and they RE-DO certain scenes from Breaking Bad, but from a different perspective, to where we follow Saul home or wherever, and Kim's there (until she's not, for whatever reason).

I'm sure there are potential holes in this theory, but something about it feels like something Gilligan and Gould might very well try. Who knows...

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That would explain why they showed Saul's house (not Jimmy's) for the first time during the cold open. I figured there was some importance to it beyond fan service. I'll have to re-watch it for any signs or references to Kim.

In fact, I was wondering if there was any significance to the stopper from the Zafiro Añejo bottle falling down forgotten on the driveway. I think that was more a memento for Kim than Jimmy, being her first con.

It seemed like the house was being cleaned out specifically for someone. Was it the government seizing assets? Was it the mortgage company? Was it Kim?

Thats a good point.

Kim could be alive during BB.

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So The Prestige TV Podcast definitely seems like the one to listen to this season. I love Chris and Andy on The Watch, but Joanna and Ben on the Prestige recap do an incredible job going through every plot point/character, discussing various theories, refreshing us on early BCS/Breaking Bad call backs, etc...

https://www.theringer.com/prestige-tv-podcast

I just listened to their first episode, which dropped on Wednesday, and one theory they briefly discussed that I hadn't considered is Kim not only being alive during Breaking Bad, but *in* Albuquerque and still *with* Jimmy/Saul. In other words, maybe we just didn't see her during Breaking Bad, since we saw basically none of Saul's home life, and that the way they include Walt and Jessie this season is that we go all the way into the Breaking Bad timeline, and they RE-DO certain scenes from Breaking Bad, but from a different perspective, to where we follow Saul home or wherever, and Kim's there (until she's not, for whatever reason).

I'm sure there are potential holes in this theory, but something about it feels like something Gilligan and Gould might very well try. Who knows...

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So the pink thong in the opening shot this season could be Kim's???? I like that.

But would Saul really say "god, you're killing me with that booty" about his secretary Francesca if he was still with Kim? I have a feeling this scene has been the source of a lot of pain in the writer's room during BCS.

I think the first half of the season ends with a time skip to 2008, when BB starts. Pretty much exactly what BB did in the midpoint of S5, when it jumped ahead a few months to Walt retiring and Hank discovering the book. (Which for BB's short timespan was a huge jump.)

And following that same train of thought, S5 Part 2 started with another flashforward of Walt buying the gun, and returning to his abandoned house. Similarly I bet we get back to Gene in the opening of Part 2.

I also keep wondering about Lalo's "proof". At first I thought it was Jimmy's shot up car. Then I re-watched the scene with Don Hector on the phone.

Lalo mentions following Gus' men and finding nothing, but then has an epiphany for the "proof" he needs. The big underground lab? That certainly would be proof that Gus was plotting against the cartel.

The only thing is, either the underground lab or Jimmy's car, he has to get back into the US to prove it. Which means killing the coyotes makes no sense.

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TCTTS said:

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So The Prestige TV Podcast definitely seems like the one to listen to this season. I love Chris and Andy on The Watch, but Joanna and Ben on the Prestige recap do an incredible job going through every plot point/character, discussing various theories, refreshing us on early BCS/Breaking Bad call backs, etc...

https://www.theringer.com/prestige-tv-podcast

I just listened to their first episode, which dropped on Wednesday, and one theory they briefly discussed that I hadn't considered is Kim not only being alive during Breaking Bad, but *in* Albuquerque and still *with* Jimmy/Saul. In other words, maybe we just didn't see her during Breaking Bad, since we saw basically none of Saul's home life, and that the way they include Walt and Jessie this season is that we go all the way into the Breaking Bad timeline, and they RE-DO certain scenes from Breaking Bad, but from a different perspective, to where we follow Saul home or wherever, and Kim's there (until she's not, for whatever reason).

I'm sure there are potential holes in this theory, but something about it feels like something Gilligan and Gould might very well try. Who knows...

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So the pink thong in the opening shot this season could be Kim's???? I like that.

But would Saul really say "god, you're killing me with that booty" about his secretary Francesca if he was still with Kim? I have a feeling this scene has been the source of a lot of pain in the writer's room during BCS.

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I thought that was an eye mask?

Looks like a thong to me. Especially with the way the mover/packer is handling it.

Rewatching.

I think the tequila stopper ties Kim to Saul's mansion.

The going theory I've heard on the tequila stopper is that despite Jimmy having seemingly gone full Saul, way more in his home life than we ever anticipated, he still has some humanity/sentimentality left for Kim, in Kim's absence.

It's either that, or yeah, Kim did indeed live there with him.

The close-up of H.G. Wells' The Time Machine seems to be telling/intentional. As if they're hinting that we're going be hopping all throughout the timeline, lending credence to the idea that we're actually going to revisit the Breaking Bad timeline (potentially with Kim there too), in particular.

TCTTS said:

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The close-up of H.G. Wells' The Time Machine seems to be telling/intentional. As if they're hinting that we're going be hopping all throughout the timeline, lending credence to the idea that we're actually going to revisit the Breaking Bad timeline (potentially with Kim there too), in particular.

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They showed the book again in our current timeline, later in the episode.

MSFC Aggie said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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From the 601 insider podcast -- there was no special effects or post production done in the opening shot of the season to turn it from b&w to color. That was all done with the color of the ties, the white box, and the camera setup.

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They should get an Emmy for cinematography (or whatever it is) for that falling ties shot. It was mesmerizing. How people can come up with such artistic ideas is truly amazing.

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The only special effect was the stopper - they couldn't get it to fall the way they wanted so they CGI'd it.

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TCTTS said:

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The close-up of H.G. Wells' The Time Machine seems to be telling/intentional. As if they're hinting that we're going be hopping all throughout the timeline, lending credence to the idea that we're actually going to revisit the Breaking Bad timeline (potentially with Kim there too), in particular.

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They showed the book again in our current timeline, later in the episode.

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Oh, nice. Missed that.

An out of the box question. Just who was Saul running from when he escaped to Omaha?

I think the presumption all along has been some sort of guilt by association with Heisenberg, and that he is wanted by the federal government. However, I may be a little hazy on some of the details from the end of Breaking Bad. We know Saul did criminal things, but does the government have evidence to prosecute him?

Maybe he is running from the cartel instead. Of course by that point, there isn't much of the cartel left. Maybe Lalo has been lying low during the whole Breaking Bad timeline.

Good question, because I don't remember either.

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Rewatching.

I think the tequila stopper ties Kim to Saul's mansion.

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Can you really imagine Kim living in a gaudy place like that? I highly doubt it. And if she lived there why were none of her things there. We saw a woman's thong and a package of Viagra. That's about the only evidence I saw that would indicate a woman ever set foot in that place.

TCTTS said:

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Good question, because I don't remember either.

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OK, I just remembered this promo for Season 6 clearly showing him as a wanted criminal. Shoot a hole in my theory.

One thing though. In the Gene timeline, it seems like he more fears that someone is coming to kill him rather than coming to arrest him. Like when he thought the guy at the mall was staring at him.



And if you call that number, the "out of service" voice sure sounds like Bob Odenkirk.

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Rewatching.

I think the tequila stopper ties Kim to Saul's mansion.

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Can you really imagine Kim living in a gaudy place like that? I highly doubt it. And if she lived there why were none of her things there. We saw a woman's thong and a package of Viagra. That's about the only evidence I saw that would indicate a woman ever set foot in that place.

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Valid point, and I'm betting she probably doesn't live there. That said, she *does* seem to be fairly influential in shaping the Saul mystique. In these last two episodes she suggested Jimmy drive a car more befitting to Saul, and that he have a "cathedral of justice." Given that, I can see a situation in which she becomes some kind of "architect of Saul" the deeper she gets, and becomes more and more okay with all the gaudiness the more she "breaks bad." Again, I don't think it's likely, but it's not at all out of the realm of possibility.

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GreasenUSA said:

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TCTTS said:

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The close-up of H.G. Wells' The Time Machine seems to be telling/intentional. As if they're hinting that we're going be hopping all throughout the timeline, lending credence to the idea that we're actually going to revisit the Breaking Bad timeline (potentially with Kim there too), in particular.

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They showed the book again in our current timeline, later in the episode.

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Oh, nice. Missed that.

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Yeah, it was actually towards the end of the 2nd episode. They made a point to keep it out of focus at the beginning of the scene.

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TCTTS said:

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Good question, because I don't remember either.

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OK, I just remembered this promo for Season 6 clearly showing him as a wanted criminal. Shoot a hole in my theory.

One thing though. In the Gene timeline, it seems like he more fears that someone is coming to kill him rather than coming to arrest him. Like when he thought the guy at the mall was staring at him.



And if you call that number, the "out of service" voice sure sounds like Bob Odenkirk.

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Never saw that. Pretty cool.

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The close-up of H.G. Wells' The Time Machine seems to be telling/intentional. As if they're hinting that we're going be hopping all throughout the timeline, lending credence to the idea that we're actually going to revisit the Breaking Bad timeline (potentially with Kim there too), in particular.

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They showed the book again in our current timeline, later in the episode.

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Oh, nice. Missed that.

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Yeah, it was actually towards the end of the 2nd episode. They made a point to keep it out of focus at the beginning of the scene.

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Ha, wow.

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wbt5845 said:

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Rewatching.

I think the tequila stopper ties Kim to Saul's mansion.

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Can you really imagine Kim living in a gaudy place like that? I highly doubt it. And if she lived there why were none of her things there. We saw a woman's thong and a package of Viagra. That's about the only evidence I saw that would indicate a woman ever set foot in that place.

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I take that as Kim isn't in the picture anymore. There are no other signs of Kim outside of the topper, which I think Saul kept as a reminder.

For me it's one of these scenarios:

1. Kim is dead.
At some point in S6 we get a "Hank" moment with BCS's most beloved character that sets Saul on his path. The ultimate gut punch.

2. Kim leaves Saul willingly.
Either Kim snaps out of it and can't deal with Saul's schemes…or Saul tries to pull Kim back and she goes way "bad", losing any shred of Kim that's left, and she leaves him. Either way, she gets pushed away for good.

3. Kim is forced to leave.
Kim's life is in imminent danger from Lalo and they have to get her out of town. Make it appear she's dead. Saul is useful to the cartel so he has to stay and live the charade. (Maybe he strikes a deal with Fring in exchange for Kim's safety and taking care of Lalo…Saul does end up with Fring in the end.) The ultimate irony for Jimmy…he finally gets the fame and fortune, but it's all a mirage.

Sadly, I'm leaning #1. Hoping for #3.

One thing we've seen from Jimmy throughout this series is the contrast of his real feelings with his outward appearance. Here are a few that stand out to me:

1. HHM - Appearing strong, but kicking the crap out of the garage trash can when no one is looking.

2. Highrise office - His dream of having a flashy office for his partnership with Kim is shattered when he has to return the Kettleman's "retainer fee" and breaks down when he visits it for the last time.

3. Kim telling Jimmy about Schweikart's offer in the restaurant - this kills Jimmy's dream of "Wexler and McGill". He excuses himself to the men's room but just needs to get away because he's physically overcome with grief. He returns and tells Kim to take the job.

Like Jimmy McGill, Saul Goodman is still hiding his insecurities under the personality and showmanship.

I think we are about to see the rise of Saul's wealth and glam…and how empty and hollow it is - because Kim is gone (one way or another).

I'm gonna go with Kim is in prison.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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I'm gonna go with Kim is in prison.

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I don't think this will happen. I saw the Reddit posts that look like prison bars with the restaurant camera shots but I think that is misdirection. Kim may go to jail, post bond, and then bounce to Omaha. But I don't think she spends any real time in prison, she's too smart.

I think Jimmy betrays her to save himself. I think the Kim is dead or leaves Jimmy possibilities are almost a little too obvious.

The tail at the end of episode 2 might be introducing the storyline that leads to that.