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Keeping Nacho in the hotel room was initially to buy time for Fring to figure out the fallout and survey the playing field after the attack. They needed time to find out the details of the attack and it took them a few days to find out Lalo was still alive. Fring needed that time to figure out how best to leverage Nacho or if he needed to cash him in at all.

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Speinwall's write up on the episode. https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-recaps/better-call-saul-season-6-premiere-recap-1333400/

And his take on Nacho, the hotel, and bank statement from the safe. I missed the Peruvian transaction on the statement to throw the Salamancas off Fring's scent.

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At the same time, it's difficult to keep up with all the moves and countermoves at times, in part because Mike's agenda is not in lockstep with Gus'. Mike likes Nacho, and feels bad that Gus has placed the kid in such a difficult position, while Gus has nothing but contempt for Ignacio Varga. Both men, though, do not want Nacho to become a live prisoner of the Salamancas, knowing that he would reveal their role in the botched assassination attempt. Mike replaces Nacho's safe with an identical one, and plants falsified evidence of a Peruvian wire transfer to draw attention away from Gus, along with details about the motel. (Mike also removes all traces of Nacho's dad, understanding that Mr. Varga is a complete innocent in all of this.) His hope is that Nacho will simply get away, perhaps with his help, while understanding that death seems more likely. And Gus just wants Nacho dead as quickly as possible, and thus has arranged for Nacho to be placed in a second-floor room with no exit, and to have Tyrus monitoring the situation from afar until the Cousins arrive. The whole thing is deliberately messy we even see the meticulous Gustavo Fring knock over a glass in one scene but it's a lot to keep track of, especially now that Hector is feeling mentally strong enough to assist his nephews in all of this.

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Speinwall's write up on the episode. https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-recaps/better-call-saul-season-6-premiere-recap-1333400/

And his take on Nacho, the hotel, and bank statement from the safe. I missed the Peruvian transaction on the statement to throw the Salamancas off Fring's scent.

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At the same time, it's difficult to keep up with all the moves and countermoves at times, in part because Mike's agenda is not in lockstep with Gus'. Mike likes Nacho, and feels bad that Gus has placed the kid in such a difficult position, while Gus has nothing but contempt for Ignacio Varga. Both men, though, do not want Nacho to become a live prisoner of the Salamancas, knowing that he would reveal their role in the botched assassination attempt. Mike replaces Nacho's safe with an identical one, and plants falsified evidence of a Peruvian wire transfer to draw attention away from Gus, along with details about the motel. (Mike also removes all traces of Nacho's dad, understanding that Mr. Varga is a complete innocent in all of this.) His hope is that Nacho will simply get away, perhaps with his help, while understanding that death seems more likely. And Gus just wants Nacho dead as quickly as possible, and thus has arranged for Nacho to be placed in a second-floor room with no exit, and to have Tyrus monitoring the situation from afar until the Cousins arrive. The whole thing is deliberately messy we even see the meticulous Gustavo Fring knock over a glass in one scene but it's a lot to keep track of, especially now that Hector is feeling mentally strong enough to assist his nephews in all of this.

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But again, this all glosses over the fact that IF you send the cartel after Nacho there's a chance he ends up in their custody alive before they kill him. And if that happens a fake bank statement won't save him.

It just doesn't seem like something someone as calculating as Fring would do. It's leaving his fate up to chance.

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I don't see how Nacho makes it out of that hotel room alive

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I don't see how Nacho makes it out of that hotel room alive

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Literally the exact way things played out except his car doesn't make it through the barricade with a blown tire.

But the "how" isn't really the point. The point is it is CLEARLY a possibly, especially because Gus know a the cartel would want to take him alive if at all possible. They even told him as much. And the fact that it is a possibility (one of only three possibilities if you send them after Nacho) makes it an odd move for a guy who has been as meticulous as he has throughout both series.

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You think Gus should have figured out that Nacho would see water dripping from an AC unit, figure out he was being watched, and just so happen leave his room and be in that truck at the exact moment that the twins show up?

If they had made Gus THAT clairvoyant, then that would have been TERRIBLE writing. These writers are too smart for that.

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I don't see how Nacho makes it out of that hotel room alive

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Literally the exact way things played out except his car doesn't make it through the barricade with a blown tire.

But the "how" isn't really the point. The point is it is CLEARLY a possibly, especially because Gus know a the cartel would want to take him alive if at all possible. They even told him as much. And the fact that it is a possibility (one of only three possibilities if you send them after Nacho) makes it an odd move for a guy who has been as meticulous as he has throughout both series.

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You think Gus should have figured out that Nacho would see water dripping from an AC unit, figure out he was being watched, and just so happen leave his room and be in that truck at the exact moment that the twins show up?

If they had made Gus THAT clairvoyant, then that would have been TERRIBLE writing. These writers are too smart for that.

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But that's just one of a virtually infinite number of possible scenarios, many of which involve him getting captured.

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Ok, I now understand Lalo killing the guy with matching teeth. But I guess I don't understand the timeframe. When did Lalo kill this guy in relation to the big shootout at the hacienda? After the fact, and then he drags the body back there and torches it before anybody else shows up? The husband and wife live on site or somewhere nearby?

I understand it, I guess, but seems a little too convenient plot device for me.

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Speinwall's write up on the episode. https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-recaps/better-call-saul-season-6-premiere-recap-1333400/

And his take on Nacho, the hotel, and bank statement from the safe. I missed the Peruvian transaction on the statement to throw the Salamancas off Fring's scent.

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At the same time, it's difficult to keep up with all the moves and countermoves at times, in part because Mike's agenda is not in lockstep with Gus'. Mike likes Nacho, and feels bad that Gus has placed the kid in such a difficult position, while Gus has nothing but contempt for Ignacio Varga. Both men, though, do not want Nacho to become a live prisoner of the Salamancas, knowing that he would reveal their role in the botched assassination attempt. Mike replaces Nacho's safe with an identical one, and plants falsified evidence of a Peruvian wire transfer to draw attention away from Gus, along with details about the motel. (Mike also removes all traces of Nacho's dad, understanding that Mr. Varga is a complete innocent in all of this.) His hope is that Nacho will simply get away, perhaps with his help, while understanding that death seems more likely. And Gus just wants Nacho dead as quickly as possible, and thus has arranged for Nacho to be placed in a second-floor room with no exit, and to have Tyrus monitoring the situation from afar until the Cousins arrive. The whole thing is deliberately messy we even see the meticulous Gustavo Fring knock over a glass in one scene but it's a lot to keep track of, especially now that Hector is feeling mentally strong enough to assist his nephews in all of this.

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But again, this all glosses over the fact that IF you send the cartel after Nacho there's a chance he ends up in their custody alive before they kill him. And if that happens a fake bank statement won't save him.

It just doesn't seem like something someone as calculating as Fring would do. It's leaving his fate up to chance.

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TV is maybe best it's ever been, with so many insanely great shows over the past couple years (this month in particular). But man, there is absolutely nothing like the tone, tension, and fastidious, clockwork precision of this show. It's just on a completely different level. Seriously, what a fantastic opening two hours.

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Interesting.. I considered the golden era over and that BCS was the final show of that era. It's the only show I bother to watch live anymore.

What other shows are on right now that you think are at this level?

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aTmAg said:

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TV is maybe best it's ever been, with so many insanely great shows over the past couple years (this month in particular). But man, there is absolutely nothing like the tone, tension, and fastidious, clockwork precision of this show. It's just on a completely different level. Seriously, what a fantastic opening two hours.

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Interesting.. I considered the golden era over and that BCS was the final show of that era. It's the only show I bother to watch live anymore.

What other shows are on right now that you think are at this level?

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I'm not TCTTS but and don't know much that could be on BCS level but I have really high hopes for The Last of Us whenever it comes out on HBO. Best game ever made and a 10 million dollar budget per episode. It better be good.

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Teddy Perkins said:

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Speinwall's write up on the episode. https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-recaps/better-call-saul-season-6-premiere-recap-1333400/

And his take on Nacho, the hotel, and bank statement from the safe. I missed the Peruvian transaction on the statement to throw the Salamancas off Fring's scent.

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At the same time, it's difficult to keep up with all the moves and countermoves at times, in part because Mike's agenda is not in lockstep with Gus'. Mike likes Nacho, and feels bad that Gus has placed the kid in such a difficult position, while Gus has nothing but contempt for Ignacio Varga. Both men, though, do not want Nacho to become a live prisoner of the Salamancas, knowing that he would reveal their role in the botched assassination attempt. Mike replaces Nacho's safe with an identical one, and plants falsified evidence of a Peruvian wire transfer to draw attention away from Gus, along with details about the motel. (Mike also removes all traces of Nacho's dad, understanding that Mr. Varga is a complete innocent in all of this.) His hope is that Nacho will simply get away, perhaps with his help, while understanding that death seems more likely. And Gus just wants Nacho dead as quickly as possible, and thus has arranged for Nacho to be placed in a second-floor room with no exit, and to have Tyrus monitoring the situation from afar until the Cousins arrive. The whole thing is deliberately messy we even see the meticulous Gustavo Fring knock over a glass in one scene but it's a lot to keep track of, especially now that Hector is feeling mentally strong enough to assist his nephews in all of this.

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But again, this all glosses over the fact that IF you send the cartel after Nacho there's a chance he ends up in their custody alive before they kill him. And if that happens a fake bank statement won't save him.

It just doesn't seem like something someone as calculating as Fring would do. It's leaving his fate up to chance.

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Precisely why Tyrus told Nacho to shoot anyone that came to the door. They expected to cousins to show up at the motel and Nacho to fire at them causing them to return fire and kill him.

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Nacho realizes he's being watched and set up, but instead of revealing what's happening, he only tells Tyrus that he has a bad feeling about this…

Nacho's no idiot. And he knows very well that Gus Fring doesn't have his best interest at heart. And the Gus Fring organization is the one that shot him in the side in order to make a setup look a little bit better. So the fact that he's got this sort of safe haven in Mexico at first Nacho's kind of happy not to be on the run. The wheels are turning and somehow he's being set up, and in episode 2, you see exactly how he's being set up. They want him waiting in motel where the Cousins are going to show up, and Nacho catches on just moments before. If he had caught on just 45 minutes later, the Cousins would've grabbed him and he'd be tortured and dead. That's why they give Nacho the gun, because the real setup is hoping that he's going to be trapped in a firefight with the Cousins, and one way or another Nacho will be killed in the action.

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Teddy Perkins said:

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Speinwall's write up on the episode. https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-recaps/better-call-saul-season-6-premiere-recap-1333400/

And his take on Nacho, the hotel, and bank statement from the safe. I missed the Peruvian transaction on the statement to throw the Salamancas off Fring's scent.

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At the same time, it's difficult to keep up with all the moves and countermoves at times, in part because Mike's agenda is not in lockstep with Gus'. Mike likes Nacho, and feels bad that Gus has placed the kid in such a difficult position, while Gus has nothing but contempt for Ignacio Varga. Both men, though, do not want Nacho to become a live prisoner of the Salamancas, knowing that he would reveal their role in the botched assassination attempt. Mike replaces Nacho's safe with an identical one, and plants falsified evidence of a Peruvian wire transfer to draw attention away from Gus, along with details about the motel. (Mike also removes all traces of Nacho's dad, understanding that Mr. Varga is a complete innocent in all of this.) His hope is that Nacho will simply get away, perhaps with his help, while understanding that death seems more likely. And Gus just wants Nacho dead as quickly as possible, and thus has arranged for Nacho to be placed in a second-floor room with no exit, and to have Tyrus monitoring the situation from afar until the Cousins arrive. The whole thing is deliberately messy we even see the meticulous Gustavo Fring knock over a glass in one scene but it's a lot to keep track of, especially now that Hector is feeling mentally strong enough to assist his nephews in all of this.

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But again, this all glosses over the fact that IF you send the cartel after Nacho there's a chance he ends up in their custody alive before they kill him. And if that happens a fake bank statement won't save him.

It just doesn't seem like something someone as calculating as Fring would do. It's leaving his fate up to chance.

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Precisely why Tyrus told Nacho to shoot anyone that came to the door. They expected to cousins to show up at the motel and Nacho to fire at them causing them to return fire and kill him.

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This is correct and confirmed by Peter Gould - https://ew.com/tv/better-call-saul-creator-on-jimmy-kim-scheme-lalo-season-6-premiere/

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Nacho realizes he's being watched and set up, but instead of revealing what's happening, he only tells Tyrus that he has a bad feeling about this…

Nacho's no idiot. And he knows very well that Gus Fring doesn't have his best interest at heart. And the Gus Fring organization is the one that shot him in the side in order to make a setup look a little bit better. So the fact that he's got this sort of safe haven in Mexico at first Nacho's kind of happy not to be on the run. The wheels are turning and somehow he's being set up, and in episode 2, you see exactly how he's being set up. They want him waiting in motel where the Cousins are going to show up, and Nacho catches on just moments before. If he had caught on just 45 minutes later, the Cousins would've grabbed him and he'd be tortured and dead. That's why they give Nacho the gun, because the real setup is hoping that he's going to be trapped in a firefight with the Cousins, and one way or another Nacho will be killed in the action.

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I read that the final season of Peaky Blinders is coming in June as well.

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