I'm all caught up, but thanks for the concern. Also curious to see what happens to Nacho too, he wasn't in BB, right?

Saul, Mike, Nacho in order are my favorite characters.

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I'm all caught up, but thanks for the concern. Also curious to see what happens to Nacho too, he wasn't in BB, right?

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I get a sense there's no way he makes it out of this season alive. He's poked the hornet's nest a few times and now he's too deep in it and Lalo is onto him.

The one non-BB character I really hope doesn't die is Kim. We know her story with Jimmy won't end well. Hopefully they just go their separate ways and maybe have some kind of reunion in the Gene epilogue.

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I'm all caught up, but thanks for the concern. Also curious to see what happens to Nacho too, he wasn't in BB, right?

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Older article that recalls some of the cross over references: https://www.bustle.com/p/lalo-on-better-call-saul-is-now-sauls-client-explaining-that-breaking-bad-mention-21823737

Article contains possible spoilers for those who haven't watched Breaking Bad or are seasons behind current on Better Call Saul.

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I'm all caught up, but thanks for the concern. Also curious to see what happens to Nacho too, he wasn't in BB, right?

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I get a sense there's no way he makes it out of this season alive. He's poked the hornet's nest a few times and now he's too deep in it and Lalo is onto him.

The one non-BB character I really hope doesn't die is Kim. We know her story with Jimmy won't end well. Hopefully they just go their separate ways and maybe have some kind of reunion in the Gene epilogue.

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To me that would definitely seem like the biggest character unique to one series entirely not in the other, so possibly "gone completely" in BB but the reason as to why has to be the biggest storyline.

You would hope there is a painful parting of ways, meant to protect her life at great cost to each of them personally, and she flees to safety. I'm not that much of a stickler as far as continuity between the two series but you never hear Kim mentioned once in Breaking Bad or in the Better Call Saul black and white flash forwards. Having said that, BB wasn't about Saul and they never did a back story on his character there, so would make sense to not have Kim mentioned. And in the flash forwards you wouldn't want to have anything - photos, conversation - that would tie you back to her when you are on the run.

All the other story lines seem fun as far as watching them play out, most other major characters are in BB so you know their near term fate. With Kim, I am scared to watch what happens. A little bit with Nacho/his father as well.

The time frame between the two events could be enough "evidence" to support the idea that Lalo is dead. Saul referenced Lalo in the early part of the series. Gus said all the Salamancas were dead towards the end of the series.

Or, Saul may not have been aware of what Lalo's situation was. He had to force the plan for the assassination out of Mike in S5.

It also pains me to say this as I love Kim, I don't see her being alive during BB. She is Saul's only weakness and Lalo or Gus will take advantage of it.

Good points.

That said, the Gene timeline has to be heading toward something. And wasn't it established that Kim is from Nebraska, and that Gene is also currently in Nebraska? Or am I imagining that? Either way, I think this show ends with some kind of Jimmy/Kim reunion, post-Breaking Bad timeline. I think everyone and their dog expects Kim to die, and that the filmmakers will use that to their advantage to subvert those expectations. Don't get me wrong, it may not be a happy ending/reunion - maybe more bittersweet and fleeting - but personally, I think that's where we're headed.

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I was trying to avoid typing it in case someone has only watched BCS, but yes I was referring to Gus telling Hector he was the end of the Salamanca line.

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But Saul also says in his first appearance 'did Lalo send you?' or something like that. Indicating that Lalo was alive at the time it was said.

I don't think we know for sure whether Lalo is alive or dead.

I don't see any reason to lean towards alive over dead.

Theres conflicting evidence, but nothing to suggest one over the other.

In my mind.

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I think that season 5/6 of BCS overlap time wise with BB seasons 1/2 - I could be wrong. But I did read some BB characters will now appear in BCS season 6 for the first time.

It's possible Lalo was alive early in BB timeline but not when Fring told Hector that Hector was the last Salamanca.

I think the Fring statement to Hector is pretty clear cut and would be hard to explain away if the writers are stringent about continuity.

Another hint would be we know a lot about the Salamancas in BB, see them in the series, see them at Don Eladio's, etc - but Lalo only mentioned once, in season 2. Why would Lalo never be seen in BB, or only mentioned that one time? I could buy the fact he never shows up in NM since he jumped bail on a murder charge, but it seems we'd see him in Mexico at Eladio's, or hear his name more.

Who knows - just killing time until I can watch and find out.

I don't recall if her hometown has been established. She was wearing a Kansas City Royals shirt in S5. (If that even means anything)

I would be OK with her staying alive. She wasn't in "the game" and deserves a pass.

Also just remembered. When Mike was outside Jimmy and Kim's apartment with his cross hairs on Lalo, he didn't have a problem with putting the crosshairs on Kim when she stood in front of Lalo either. Maybe I am getting too far fetched here ...

There was a flashback last season with Kim as a kid, waiting on her mom to pick her up or something, and I feel like the license plates on the car were Nebraska plates. I remember people analyzing the hell out of it, but I may have that one detail wrong.

Yep, confirmed...

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Further strengthening the case for Kim appearing in the monochrome world of Better Call Saul's flash-forwards is the fact that she already has a loose connection to Omaha. Kim revealed that she grew up in a small-town in Nebraska, the same state that Omaha is in. What's more, it's said to be on the Nebraska/Kansas border, which would put her within around 100 miles of Omaha - close enough to make the link noteworthy. Kim has also been shown wearing a Kansas City Royals jersey - the team supported in Omaha - and referred to how she might've ended up working in the Hinky Dinky, a real-life grocery store chain that has its origins in Omaha.

These could be red herrings or throwaway mentions, but taken together they stack up as more than circumstantial evidence as a link between Kim, Omaha, and Gene. The decision to have Gene be in Nebraska was made knowing it called back to Breaking Bad's "Granite State". Similarly, having Kim hail from Nebraska was a choice made knowing it's the state Gene lives in. The show hasn't always plotted everything out in advance, but this suggests that the plan is, or at least has been, on the table for Kim to wind up in Omaha.

If, say, Kim were to be placed in the witness protection programme, made to disappear by Ed, or even just having to leave Albuquerque behind for another reason and deciding to move back to Nebraska, then it would position her nicely for a reunion with Jimmy, now living out his life as Gene in a sorrowful existence. It was Ed who sent Saul Goodman to Omaha, and it's even somewhat possible he did so because that's where he also sent Kim many years previous, unbeknownst to Jimmy. All of this would allow for Better Call Saul to close out their stories together which, given all they've been through, is something both characters deserve.

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Good info there. I like that idea.

Looks like we're at the point where I'll want to check out and avoid official news or reporting, and just wait to watch the series unfold.

I'm honestly just disappointed we only saw Lalo for three seasons. I have never underestimated a character introduction as much as him. I am rooting for him no matter what

Saul didn't care about anyone but himself in BB. Kim was the only thing he had left to lose.

Walter forced Saul into the drug trade and threatened him when he wanted out. He didn't waltz back into the life that got Kim killed.

Kim was slowly breaking bad over season 5 and I think we'll see her continue that trend in season 6 now that she is free of Mesa Verde. I don't think she's killed in the final season but she is going to have to get out of NM. Crazy theory is that she is the one that orchestrates Lalo's demise which puts her on the run from the cartel.

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I was trying to avoid typing it in case someone has only watched BCS, but yes I was referring to Gus telling Hector he was the end of the Salamanca line.

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But Saul also says in his first appearance 'did Lalo send you?' or something like that. Indicating that Lalo was alive at the time it was said.

I don't think we know for sure whether Lalo is alive or dead.

I don't see any reason to lean towards alive over dead.

Theres conflicting evidence, but nothing to suggest one over the other.

In my mind.

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I think that season 5/6 of BCS overlap time wise with BB seasons 1/2 - I could be wrong. But I did read some BB characters will now appear in BCS season 6 for the first time.

It's possible Lalo was alive early in BB timeline but not when Fring told Hector that Hector was the last Salamanca.

I think the Fring statement to Hector is pretty clear cut and would be hard to explain away if the writers are stringent about continuity.

Another hint would be we know a lot about the Salamancas in BB, see them in the series, see them at Don Eladio's, etc - but Lalo only mentioned once, in season 2. Why would Lalo never be seen in BB, or only mentioned that one time? I could buy the fact he never shows up in NM since he jumped bail on a murder charge, but it seems we'd see him in Mexico at Eladio's, or hear his name more.

Who knows - just killing time until I can watch and find out.

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What happens with Lalo while events of breaking bad was happening?

Thats its own show right there.

Or at lest an el camino style movie.

Hell yes, a two and a half hour long movie of lalo stalking and hunting down those who wronged him sign me up

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Walter forced Saul into the drug trade and threatened him when he wanted out. He didn't waltz back into the life that got Kim killed.

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Thats a good point.

Saul was a active participant in the drug trade. He tracked down WW to his school and asked to be in on it.

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Kim was slowly breaking bad over season 5 and I think we'll see her continue that trend in season 6 now that she is free of Mesa Verde. I don't think she's killed in the final season but she is going to have to get out of NM. Crazy theory is that she is the one that orchestrates Lalo's demise which puts her on the run from the cartel.

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Yeah, in my rewatch of season 5, she was not stopping on harassing Howard and was even encouraging it. We've seen her devious side. The other thing is based on the flashback as a young girl, things with Mom weren't rosy at all, why go back there if she has any choice at all in where she lives? It's convenient for Gene, but we never saw any other ties back there other than a Royals jersey and the flashback.

There was no way I was ever going to rewatch the whole series in time, but I started Season 5 last night.

One thing I really hope we finally find out this season is what Gustavo did in Santiago to earn his reputation with the cartel. I know it has little to do w/ the main storyline, but I wanna know, damnit.

Agree.

Same, you could tell how disappointed he was when nacho suggested he sell the business

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Same, you could tell how disappointed he was when nacho suggested he sell the business

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I worry that he is going to get killed. And that will be damn sad especially for the few minutes he has been shown in the entire series. Goes to show how good those writers are.

You know Lalo thought Kim's speech was BS but seems like he has different plans for jimmy then to just kill him

That was super helpful. Thanks for posting.