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You're going to hang your hat on a coerced plea deal that didn't stand and process crimes unrelated to anything to do with the campaign or presidency? Keep playing the stooge Doug. You're good at it

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And why didn't it stand again? Because Trump pardoned the lying sack a ****, who on a related note, pledged allegiance to Q-Anon.

You conveniently leave out the part where the judge was ordered to vacate the plea deal by the appellate court and he refused to do so. So typical political activist leftist judge. What happened to Flynn was a travesty.

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You conveniently leave out the part where the judge was ordered to vacate the plea deal by the appellate court and he refused to do so. So typical political activist leftist judge. What happened to Flynn was a travesty.

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And you left out the part where the order to dismiss was initiated by the executive branch, the appellate court stood by the the "activist judge", and Flynn had no problem accepting the pardon instead of fighting to clear his name.

I guess the good news for Trumpers is that by taking the plea, it freed up Sidney Powell's calendar for a storming fun December.

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I'm 100% in favor of condemning ALL batsh*t conspiracy theories, on both sides of the isle. I mean, I literally made an effort to call out of the left in my post that you just responded to. But asking that we condemn all conspiracy theories isn't the same as asking that we acknowledge that X is clearly more of logical leap than Y. We're talking about two different things here.

As for the damage you're referring to, it's hard to compare the psychological damage Q has caused - especially when it comes to our faith in democracy and elections - to the physical damage the BLM protests were responsible for. I mean, I know where I stand, but I'm also saying that I honestly don't know how to compare them. My main counter, however, is to your comment that BLM is largely based on "verifiably false narratives." I'm sorry, but I simply disagree. I believe that the heart of the issue - that systemic racism in America still exists - is 100% true. And I certainly don't believe that the black community acted only on "garbage conspiracy theories and propaganda." That's such reductive, insulting reasoning that completely strips them of the very real experiences many of them have on a daily basis. I believe that the response to the issue, in the form of nation-wide rioting and looting, was obviously taken way too far, and served only to harm the cause. In that sense, have certain core radicals hijacked BLM? Clearly. But I understand and empathize with the very basic - and very real - frustration of the black community, and I refuse to write it all off as some kind of mass delusion.

In the case of Q, there is literally nothing real at the heart of that narrative. It's pure fantasy designed to stoke nothing but rage. But there *is* a real issue at the heart of BLM - something many in the black community actually experience on a daily basis - despite many of BLM's worse proponents' attempts to twist the movement to meet their own, radical views.

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You complain about whataboutism but continue to downplay the extremely problematic conspiracy theories held by the left because you are more closely ideologically aligned with those who believe them. You and I obviously disagree on the insanity of those claims and that's okay. IMO, the left believes in many conspiracies that are no less insane than those on the other side. Each side has its nuts and the should all be called out.

That being said in reference to BLM, it is based on verifiably false narratives. That's not a dig at the people who truly believe that black people are being hunted down by police. I feel for those people and find racism to be absolutely disgusting. Furthermore, I do not doubt there are racist A-hole cops out there that have no business on the job and should be removed. The thing is that the numbers do not back up those narratives. There is not an epidemic of black people being hunted down by police no matter how strongly their feelings say otherwise. They have been lied to. FBI statistics show that blacks are less likely to be killed by police than other races when you control for police encounters. Is there disparity in police encounters? Most likely, but that is more likely due to socioeconomic status and crime rates than racism.

BLM was founded by self described Marxists in an effort to push critical race theory which is simply a perversion of communist class division. The goal being to divide Americans. The Democrats and their media lackeys were willing to go along with it because racial division is politically beneficial to them. It's a disgusting shameless lie (conspiracy theory), nothing more!

To keep this relevant, where is the HBO docu-series on the founders of this extremely destructive conspiracy theory? They've had far more impact on national discourse than Q.

Link for research on racial disparity in police shootings:
https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877

The prosecution in the case (part of the executive branch) moved to vacate it. The judge had no standing to ignore the appellate court ruling. As shown as he later vacated it once the pardon was given. Keep supporting totalitarian tactics though. It is all the left knows. Fundamental transformation of the greatest nation ever conceived is the stupidest idea ever but yet you all keep pushing for it.

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believing that scenario doesn't even hold a candle to believing that Hilary Clinton & co were running a child sex trafficking ring out of a pizza parlor basement and drinking the blood of babies

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In fairness to Q, this was the pizzagate conspiracy, which is not apart of Q canon.

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The prosecution in the case (part of the executive branch) moved to vacate it. The judge had no standing to ignore the appellate court ruling. As shown as he later vacated it once the pardon was given. Keep supporting totalitarian tactics though. It is all the left knows. Fundamental transformation of the greatest nation ever conceived is the stupidest idea ever but yet you all keep pushing for it.

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The case was dismissed, because the Q-Anon-er that was our NSA was pardon of his crime against our nation by the lame duck president who appointed him.


The greatest nation ever conceived only got to true greatness through fundamental transformation. And lets all remember only one person has ever ran on the platform that America wasn't great.

Y'all remember that absolutely b*tsh*t conspiracy where the uber rich and famous flew to a secret "pedophile" island for nefarious purposes? We're talking about A list royalty like the son of the queen of England and a former President of the United States. Rumor was the billionaire that orchestrated it managed to kill himself on suicide watch in maximum security prison and all videos on the particular cell disappeared. Not sure how these flat earth q followers come up with this stuff.

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believing that scenario doesn't even hold a candle to believing that Hilary Clinton & co were running a child sex trafficking ring out of a pizza parlor basement and drinking the blood of babies

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In fairness to Q, this was the pizzagate conspiracy, which is not apart of Q canon.

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Sure, but watch the doc. It all basically bleeds together and is the original sin, so to speak, that paves the way for Q's emergence.

BCG Disciple said:

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Y'all remember that absolutely b*tsh*t conspiracy where the uber rich and famous flew to a secret "pedophile" island for nefarious purposes? We're talking about A list royalty like the son of the queen of England and a former President of the United States. Rumor was the billionaire that orchestrated it managed to kill himself on suicide watch in maximum security prison and all videos on the particular cell disappeared. Not sure how these flat earth q followers come up with this stuff.

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Other than Epstein's death, all of those facts were publicly alleged in lawsuits and press reports long before Q was a gleam in Steve Bannon's and Code Monkey's eyes.

BCG Disciple said:

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Y'all remember that absolutely b*tsh*t conspiracy where the uber rich and famous flew to a secret "pedophile" island for nefarious purposes? We're talking about A list royalty like the son of the queen of England and a former President of the United States. Rumor was the billionaire that orchestrated it managed to kill himself on suicide watch in maximum security prison and all videos on the particular cell disappeared. Not sure how these flat earth q followers come up with this stuff.

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Whataboutism at its finest!

Especially when it completely ignores this gem...



You know, it *is* possible to find Q and anyone who regularly associated with Epstein to ALL be detestable.

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believing that scenario doesn't even hold a candle to believing that Hilary Clinton & co were running a child sex trafficking ring out of a pizza parlor basement and drinking the blood of babies

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In fairness to Q, this was the pizzagate conspiracy, which is not apart of Q canon.

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BCG Disciple said:

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believing that scenario doesn't even hold a candle to believing that Hilary Clinton & co were running a child sex trafficking ring out of a pizza parlor basement and drinking the blood of babies

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In fairness to Q, this was the pizzagate conspiracy, which is not apart of Q canon.

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Sure, but watch the doc. It all basically bleeds together and is the original sin, so to speak, that paves the way for Q's emergence.

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I did. Only episode 1 thus far, but they were clear to even state that the beginnings of Q were very careful to distance themselves from pizzagate, so as to seem more credible out of the gate. They are not woven into one.

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Still, the Venn diagram of Q followers and Pizzagate truthers is basically a circle, and one primed an atmosphere for the other to exist. That, and there's not a single sane person out there who claims Pizzagate is a bridge too far, but then fully embraces the Hillary-drinks-the-blood-of-babies narratives. Ultimately, they're all of the same ilk.

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Y'all remember that absolutely b*tsh*t conspiracy where the uber rich and famous flew to a secret "pedophile" island for nefarious purposes? We're talking about A list royalty like the son of the queen of England and a former President of the United States. Rumor was the billionaire that orchestrated it managed to kill himself on suicide watch in maximum security prison and all videos on the particular cell disappeared. Not sure how these flat earth q followers come up with this stuff.

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Whataboutism at its finest!

Especially when it completely ignores this gem...



You know, it *is* possible to find Q and anyone who regularly associated with Epstein to ALL be detestable.

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I left Trump off because he was not one of the actual names released on the flight logs despite Dems BADLY WANTING HIM TO BE? Are you suggesting that he was and that there is some vast conspiracy / cover up to remove his name from the evidence on record?? You may need to lay off the alex jones, bro.

I'm saying Trump was once clearly a friend of Epstein, which, in and of itself, is questionable enough. He didn't have to be on the exact, specific flight logs you're referring to to have potentially done some shady or even criminal sh*t, in his own backyard, at Epstein's New York home.

I'm not pinning anything on Trump, but a guy credibly accused by over 20 women of sexual assault and misconduct, who hung with Epstein on multiple occasions, isn't someone I would be defending in this instance.

But sure, let's continue to split hairs here.

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believing that scenario doesn't even hold a candle to believing that Hilary Clinton & co were running a child sex trafficking ring out of a pizza parlor basement and drinking the blood of babies

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In fairness to Q, this was the pizzagate conspiracy, which is not apart of Q canon.

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Sure, but watch the doc. It all basically bleeds together and is the original sin, so to speak, that paves the way for Q's emergence.

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I did. Only episode 1 thus far, but they were clear to even state that the beginnings of Q were very careful to distance themselves from pizzagate, so as to seem more credible out of the gate. They are not woven into one.

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Still, the Venn diagram of Q followers and Pizzagate truthers is basically a circle, and one primed an atmosphere for the other to exist. That, and there's not a single sane person out there who claims Pizzagate is a bridge too far, but then fully embraces the Hillary-drinks-the-blood-of-babies narratives. Ultimately, they're all of the same ilk.

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It's ultimately one of three things, true believers who are insane and believe all the baby blood crap (and show up to comet pizza with guns or get catfished by MF Barnes on the texags Q thread), internet trolls who are still mentally 12 yrs old (like most of the poli board and like Code Monkey and his porn king Dad), and then the Bannon types willing to associate with the most vile racist white supremacists if they can manipulate the situation for their own gain.

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Seems about right. That's a good way to frame it.

What crime did he commit? The same thing that every transition team has done since forever. The fact that the interview notes from the FBI themselves state that he did nothing illegal seems to put this out of question. This was a political hit job and was a drastic miscarriage of justice.

As far as changing the country...there is a huge difference between working to live more closely to the founding principles and destroying the whole thing out of some class struggle BS camouflaged as fighting racism, sexism etc etc. But like I said you keep supporting totalitarians who bail out actual murderers and arsonists that rioted for over 6 months last year. Infact they are still rioting in Portland. That's your people and it is disgusting.

Q is simple really. By nature, we all are a little narcissistic inside. We believe what we want to believe and disbelieve what we don't want to believe. That's the brilliance of the cable news business model. It's total **** and feeds into everyone's narcissisms by confirming what their feelings by labeling things 'news'.

The internet's just taken that to a different level. People can say and post things anonymously with little to no blowback and it is everywhere so we can all slink back to our little truth corners and feel good about ourselves if we want to... and most of us do naturally because the alternative isn't as fun and significantly more work. Some of us do it more than others.

The faster people understand this, the quicker they will understand things like Q.

Agreed. And it will only get worse from here. We pick our own truths. The internet is a beautiful way to allow us to stay in our own echo chambers. Sometimes the right needs movements like Q to reset our bearings.

But unfortunately the left will keep marching on and blame the other side while antifa carves out free autonomous zones within major urban areas, burns cities and neighborhoods to the ground, and create black liberation "Orisha Land" in our very own state capital (which is in effect a merge of antifa with blm fringe, while blm is a marxist movement now supported by a vast majority of the vocal american left).

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Agreed. And it will only get worse from here. We pick our own truths. The internet is a beautiful way to allow us to stay in our own echo chambers. Sometimes the right needs movements like Q to reset our bearings.

But unfortunately the left will keep marching on and blame the other side while antifa carves out free autonomous zones within major urban areas, burns cities and neighborhoods to the ground, and create black liberation "Orisha Land" in our very own state capital (which is in effect a merge of antifa with blm fringe, while blm is a marxist movement now supported by a vast majority of the vocal american left).

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Your first paragraph perfectly sets up your unhinged second paragraph. Well done.

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Q is simple really. By nature, we all are a little narcissistic inside. We believe what we want to believe and disbelieve what we don't want to believe. That's the brilliance of the cable news business model. It's total **** and feeds into everyone's narcissisms by confirming what their feelings by labeling things 'news'.

The internet's just taken that to a different level. People can say and post things anonymously with little to no blowback and it is everywhere so we can all slink back to our little truth corners and feel good about ourselves if we want to... and most of us do naturally because the alternative isn't as fun and significantly more work. Some of us do it more than others.

The faster people understand this, the quicker they will understand things like Q.

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I agree that politics has sadly become (for many people) an identity-based, overly emotional team sport. I personally don't think that politics are as important to daily life as many people ascribe them to be. That is a worthy topic to discuss however I don't think it really pertains to the Q phenomenon.

I think the story of Qanon is more akin to a Black Mirror episode. It intersects human interaction with conspiracy thinking and modern technology in an unprecedented way. Conspiracy thinking isn't new to the human experience. However, it has never had a host like the modern internet in which to exponentially propagate. I may be able to understand why an individual would LARP as Q on 4Chan, however I am yet to fully understand why someone would choose to follow that LARP. It goes beyond identity-based politics. I think an interesting angle for the documentary would involve diving into the psychology of Q followers and how they interact with technology. The first 2 episodes mostly revolve more around the mechanics of 8Chan which I haven't found quite as interesting.

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Another Doug said:

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The case was dismissed, because the Q-Anon-er that was our NSA was pardon of his crime against our nation by the lame duck president who appointed him.

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not weighing in on the doc because i haven't seen it but what specific crime are you referring to here?

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The one he pleaded guilty to and was fired for, are there more?

that's not very specific. what crime was it?

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See and I'd wager that wouldn't be interesting at all as I bet it really is no different than how me or you interact with technology. Work. Information. Entertainment. That's it.

I used to be really fascinated by how something like Q propagates but it is simple as it is fun to be online and talk loads of **** behind a keyboard and it is funner to assume the worst than assume the best about people. At its core, Q is no different than salacious gossip. It's a car crash and those are more fun to gawk at for most people. Gossip about your mortal enemy? Even funner!

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What crime did he commit? The same thing that every transition team has done since forever. The fact that the interview notes from the FBI themselves state that he did nothing illegal seems to put this out of question. This was a political hit job and was a drastic miscarriage of justice.

As far as changing the country...there is a huge difference between working to live more closely to the founding principles and destroying the whole thing out of some class struggle BS camouflaged as fighting racism, sexism etc etc. But like I said you keep supporting totalitarians who bail out actual murderers and arsonists that rioted for over 6 months last year. Infact they are still rioting in Portland. That's your people and it is disgusting.

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Yet he still pled guilty and was fired despite having more legal resources an average convict could ever dream of having.


At no point have I or anyone I have voted for supported "destroying the whole thing". I am a moderate democrat that supports well funded social programs that have been integral to the only America I have ever known. Rioters and criminals should be in jail and not celebrated. You can have sympathies for BLM and still have disgust for the rioting. As far as Portland goes, they are idiot neckbeards... who are still rioting despite the fact we have supposedly under a totalitarian marxist regime now.

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you left off that they threatened to go after his son to extract a guilty plea. why? you also allude here that he was a convict. what specific crime did he commit?

The fact that the FBI cited the Q movement as a huge domestic terror threat while cities were actively being burned and looted by left-wing groups says all you need to know.

Please explain to me, if anyone can, how Q is a domestic terror threat. What has the Q movement done to incite terror? If the Q movement was such a threat, so dangerous,
why has nothing happened?

This country is in a dark place. Trump was never supposed to win, but I believe he was the last chance to somehow break free from the evil people that pull the strings in this country and globally.

While Trump was incredibly successful, ultimately he failed, as did Q apparently. It took the release of a virus and an obviously fraudulent election to cause him to fail, but that is the power of those in control that wanted him gone. The money and power set up against him was too much, I guess, and maybe he trusted the wrong people.

As for Trump and Epstein, I became a Trump fan when Epstein was arrested. I knew all about Epstein many years ago. I knew he was a billionaire human trafficker, allowed to thrive during the Clinton, Bush and Obama years. I knew that Clinton had been on Epstein's plane at least 27 times. I knew that during W, Epstein was caught and pleaded guilty to molesting underage girls and spent a whopping 13 months in prison... 13 months. Thanks, W...

There are 2 justice systems in this country, one for those in the club and one for the rest of us. If you can't see that, you are blind. The Q movement, for me, was about getting to a point where justice is for all of us. I guess that was a silly notion, and I am truly saddened to see where things are now.

Trump wasn't perfect, but he was the first non-puppet president since Reagan. Now I see no end to the Biden-like puppets in our future.

His guilty plea was coerced because of the threat to his family. It was a totalitarian political hit job. And yet you support it.

As far as destroying the country...you vote democrat. Look around you they can't run a lemonade stand. Everything they do is focused on division and destruction of American capitalism. On top of that they are implementing fascist tactics to get the woke mega corps to do their bidding. You may rock yourself to sleep at night with your "I'm a moderate democrat" mantra, but you support extremists who seek to destroy everything the country stands for.

Appointees selected based on race, genitalia or their adherence to racist CRT dogma is the antithesis to American ideals. But you are too blinded to see it.

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I consider "fairness" of a documentary (or discussion for that matter) such that terms like "batsh** crazy" are not used.

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Unless it's actually fair to call the Q crap bat**** crazy, which most people agree that it is.