***** BEST MOVIES 2000-2009 TOURNAMENT *****

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Bruce Almighty said:

IMO, Minority Report is the best sci-fi movie of the decade.
Agreed. Fantastic sci-fi noir
Brian Earl Spilner
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Minority Report is fantastic.

And I always argue that AI is hugely underrated.
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Bruce Almighty said:

I thought Training Day was overrated
King Kong ain't got **** on that movie.
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MuckRaker96 said:

COMPLAIN NOW!
OK I will -

Pan's Labyrinth
Children of Men
Serenity

All three are woefully underseeded. Well at least they made the tournament unlike Cinderella Man
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Bruce Almighty said:

Chipotlemonger said:

Master & Commander is NOT forgettable.


It's my favorite movie of the decade, but it's not something that was made for the masses.
I enjoyed both Master & Commander and Cinderella Man far better than the Russell Crowe movie that is likely going to win this thing. But as I said on the '90s thread, my taste in movies is not exactly simpatico with others on this board. I still can't believe Tommy Boy smoked The Sandlot.
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jkag89 said:

MuckRaker96 said:

COMPLAIN NOW!
OK I will -

Pan's Labyrinth
Children of Men
Serenity

All three are woefully underseeded. Well at least they made the tournament unlike Cinderella Man
I don't watch boxing movies if you're not fighting a steroid-enhanced Russian or B.A. Baracus
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Cinderella Man is a great movie. You should watch it.
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MuckRaker96 said:

jkag89 said:

MuckRaker96 said:

COMPLAIN NOW!
OK I will -

Pan's Labyrinth
Children of Men
Serenity

All three are woefully underseeded. Well at least they made the tournament unlike Cinderella Man
I don't watch boxing movies if you're not fighting a steroid-enhanced Russian or B.A. Baracus
Your loss. Fantastic movie. If I had a son it would be one of the two films, along with To Kill a Mockingbird, I would make him sit down and watch to illustrate what it means to be a man.

Now why did you seed the three above so low? I'm sure there are reasons, I'm sort of mulling over doing one of these for the films of the '70s and I'm beginning to understand how difficult it is to determine which films to include, much less where to seed them but still IMO all three are vastly superior to at least half the list in the catagory. I'd have seeded Children of Men in the 4 slot. While Avatar was a cultural phenomena and visually stunning, the story is at best meh. Children of Men is in its own right visually stunning, using mostly practical effects and tells a story about a glimmer of hope in a world that has lost all hope. At least Pan's Labyrinth is not against a LOTR movie. You want to shake the hands of those who voted for Serenity but you paired it with The Fellowship of the Ring, the best and truest to Tolkien's work? I enjoyed the closure Serenity gave to the TV series but I'm not going to vote for it over any of LOTR movies. In other words, what good is it being the host of thest tournaments if you don't get to manipulate the seeding a bit to give movie you really enjoy a better shot moving on a round or two or even just to have more interesting match ups in the first round?
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Pan's Labyrinth is light years better than Avatar
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jkag89 said:

MuckRaker96 said:

jkag89 said:

MuckRaker96 said:

COMPLAIN NOW!
OK I will -

Pan's Labyrinth
Children of Men
Serenity

All three are woefully underseeded. Well at least they made the tournament unlike Cinderella Man
I don't watch boxing movies if you're not fighting a steroid-enhanced Russian or B.A. Baracus
Your loss. Fantastic movie. If I had a son it would be one of the two films, along with To Kill a Mockingbird, I would make him sit down and watch to illustrate what it means to be a man.

Now why did you seed the three above so low? I'm sure there are reasons, I'm sort of mulling over doing one of these for the films of the '70s and I'm beginning to understand how difficult it is to determine which films to include, much less where to seed them but still IMO all three are vastly superior to at least half the list in the catagory. I'd have seeded Children of Men in the 4 slot. While Avatar was a cultural phenomena and visually stunning, the story is at best meh. Children of Men is in its own right visually stunning, using mostly practical effects and tells a story about a glimmer of hope in a world that has lost all hope. At least Pan's Labyrinth is not against a LOTR movie. You want to shake the hands of those who voted for Serenity but you paired it with The Fellowship of the Ring, the best and truest to Tolkien's work? I enjoyed the closure Serenity gave to the TV series but I'm not going to vote for it over any of LOTR movies. In other words, what good is it being the host of thest tournaments if you don't get to manipulate the seeding a bit to give movie you really enjoy a better shot moving on a round or two or even just to have more interesting match ups in the first round?


Let me know when you get the 70s one going so i can lecture you about all your bad seeds.

The whole point of me doing any of these brackets is to help everyone pass the time while we are stuck in this bizarro alternate reality where nobody can go to school, unemployment is enormous, there arent any sports that anyone gives a **** about on tv, and we are all slowly going crazy. The point is to help people have a little fun if i can. Ive been super lucky to have my business do better during the lockdown so most of the research i do for these is after 11 pm or before 7 am. I like a lot of people in texags and its fun to talk movies with them.

****heads like you that feel compelled to come break down where my seedings are wrong? Jesus Christ, man get the **** over yourself. Im some random 46 year old in the suburbs not roger ****ing ebert. Go find something better to do with your time.
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MuckRaker96 said:

jkag89 said:

MuckRaker96 said:

jkag89 said:

MuckRaker96 said:

COMPLAIN NOW!
OK I will -

Pan's Labyrinth
Children of Men
Serenity

All three are woefully underseeded. Well at least they made the tournament unlike Cinderella Man
I don't watch boxing movies if you're not fighting a steroid-enhanced Russian or B.A. Baracus
Your loss. Fantastic movie. If I had a son it would be one of the two films, along with To Kill a Mockingbird, I would make him sit down and watch to illustrate what it means to be a man.

Now why did you seed the three above so low? I'm sure there are reasons, I'm sort of mulling over doing one of these for the films of the '70s and I'm beginning to understand how difficult it is to determine which films to include, much less where to seed them but still IMO all three are vastly superior to at least half the list in the catagory. I'd have seeded Children of Men in the 4 slot. While Avatar was a cultural phenomena and visually stunning, the story is at best meh. Children of Men is in its own right visually stunning, using mostly practical effects and tells a story about a glimmer of hope in a world that has lost all hope. At least Pan's Labyrinth is not against a LOTR movie. You want to shake the hands of those who voted for Serenity but you paired it with The Fellowship of the Ring, the best and truest to Tolkien's work? I enjoyed the closure Serenity gave to the TV series but I'm not going to vote for it over any of LOTR movies. In other words, what good is it being the host of thest tournaments if you don't get to manipulate the seeding a bit to give movie you really enjoy a better shot moving on a round or two or even just to have more interesting match ups in the first round?


Let me know when you get the 70s one going so i can lecture you about all your bad seeds.

The whole point of me doing any of these brackets is to help everyone pass the time while we are stuck in this bizarro alternate reality where nobody can go to school, unemployment is enormous, there arent any sports that anyone gives a **** about on tv, and we are all slowly going crazy. The point is to help people have a little fun if i can. Ive been super lucky to have my business do better during the lockdown so most of the research i do for these is after 11 pm or before 7 am. I like a lot of people in texags and its fun to talk movies with them.

****heads like you that feel compelled to come break down where my seedings are wrong? Jesus Christ, man get the **** over yourself. Im some random 46 year old in the suburbs not roger ****ing ebert. Go find something better to do with your time.
Sorry, I was not trying to be a ****head. As I stated in my post I have grown to realize how difficult it is to even narrow down what films should be included in some categories much less the seedings in my attempts to set up a '70s Tournament. I'll even say it is very difficult even what catagory to place some films.. I praised you for including The Iron Giant in the '90s Tourney. when many questioned its inclusion.

If I decide to go ahead, I'll try to explain my selections and seedings up front and go into further detail if people still question them. After all it is all part of generating discussions, right? One thing I used to help me eliminate some films is if I have actually seen it. I get that a particular movie isn't everyone's cup of tea, so stating you've never seen Cinderella Man is a perfectly good answer in why you did not include it. I did not mean my reply to be harsh, only that you might want to give it a shot. It really is an excellent movie, less about boxing and more about a man trying to provide for his family while not compromising his integrity during very difficult times.

As for questioning the three lowest seeds of the SciFi/Fantasy Bracket, I was only looking for insight why you put them where you did. In the case of Pan's Labyrinth and Children of Men you might not particularly liked them but felt they deserved inclusion because of the critical praise they received. If that is the case, I completely understand. You obviously enjoyed Serenity so why a 16 seed? The answer could be as simple as you thought it was great but the overall appeal did not warrant a higher seed. I get that also, as it sits now for my '70s Tourney, I've snuck in a couple of films I like but are probably less deserving then some others, well simply because I'm making the list and I also felt it might make some interesting contrasts to the film they are seeded against.

Anyways please except my apologies, I really did not mean to be overly critical of your choices.. You took the time to set this up so Thank You.

Oh one more thing, no Moon!
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Almost famous as a 16 seed makes me want to punch someone in the face. Jk. Sorta.
And Pan's Labyrinth as a 14?
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Muck has put in a great deal of time to put this together. Just accept HIS seedings. This is HIS tournament! If you don't like it, to the point of constantly complaining about it, do your own.

Muck doesn't like boxing, I seem to have very much enjoyed Cinderella Man and Million Dollar Baby. Might not be his thing, but comedy is by far not my thing. That is what makes this thing fun and interesting...you get various opinions that collectively meet to a conclusion.

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Day 2 Results; Day 3 matchups coming soon

Comedy Region
#1 The Hangover vs. #16 Zombieland 83.%-17%
#2 Superbad vs. #15 Forgetting Sarah Marshall 63%-37%
#3 Wedding Crashers vs. #14 Talladega Nights 76%-24%
#4 The 40-Year-Old Virgin vs. #13 Meet the Parents 60%-40%
#5 Tropic Thunder vs. #12 Dodgeball 43%-57%
#6 O Brother Where Art Thou vs. #11 Step Brothers 47%-53%
#7 Anchorman vs. #10 Lost in Translation 86%-14%
#8 Best in Show vs. #9 Old School 25%-75%

SciFi/Fantasy Region
#1 Fellowship of the Ring vs. #16 Serenity 85%-15%
#2 Return of the King vs. #15 Children of Men 80%-20%
#3 Avatar vs. #14 Pan's Labyrinth 59%-41%
#4 The Two Towers vs. #13 V for Vendetta 83%-17%
#5 Star Trek vs. #12 District 9 70%-30%
#6 Revenge of the Sith vs. #11 Minority Report 52%-48%
#7 Unbreakable vs. #10 Signs 59%-41%
#8 The Matrix Reloaded vs. #9 Men in Black 2 57%-43%

Action/Adventure Region
#1 Ocean's 11 vs. #16 300 75%-25%
#2 The Bourne Identity vs. #15 The Bourne Ultimatum 89%-11%
#3 Casino Royale vs. #14 Ocean's 13 85%-15%
#4 Master & Commander vs. #13 Taken 46%-54%
#5 National Treasure vs. #12 Quantum of Solace 82%-18%
#6 Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl vs. #11 The Fast and the Furious 76%-24%
#7 3:10 to Yuma vs. #10 Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon 61%-39%
#8 Sherlock Holmes vs. #9 A Knight's Tale 51%-49%



















































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Lol,

If you are referring to me, I'm just joking. I do think those two are under seeded relativey speaking, but I probably forgot about it as soon as I finished typing it.
If I didn't appreciate these I wouldn't be in these threads.
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Day 3 Matchups - VOTE NOW

Drama Region
#1 Gladiator vs. #9 A Beautiful Mind
#2 The Departed vs. #7 Cast Away
#3 No Country For Old Men vs. #6 The Prestige
#4 Catch Me if You Can vs. #12 Inglorious Basterds

Family Region
#1 Finding Nemo vs. #8 Night at the Museum
#2 Shrek vs. #10 Harry Potter & The Sorcerer's Stone
#3 The Incredibles vs.#6 Up
#4 Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban vs. #5 School of Rock

Comic Book Adaptation Region
#1 The Dark Knight vs. #8 Spider-Man
#2 X2: X-Men United vs. #7 Watchmen
#3 Batman Begins vs. #6 X-Men
#4 Iron Man vs. #5 Spider-Man 2

Comedy Region
#1 The Hangover vs. #9 Old School
#2 Superbad vs. #7 Anchorman
#3 Wedding Crashers vs. #11 Step Brothers
#4 The 40-Year-Old Virgin vs. #12 Dodgeball

SciFi/Fantasy Region
#1 Fellowship of the Ring vs. #8 The Matrix Reloaded
#2 Return of the King vs. #10 Signs
#3 Avatar vs. #6 Revenge of the Sith
#4 The Two Towers vs. #5 Star Trek

Action/Adventure Region
#1 Ocean's 11 vs. #8 Sherlock Holmes
#2 The Bourne Identity vs. #7 3:10 to Yuma
#3 Casino Royale vs. #6 Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl
#5 National Treasure vs. #13 Taken
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Wow Tropic Thunder losing to Dodgeball is shocking.
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You have another oopsie mistake in the voting - should be A Beautiful Mind not Night at the Museum


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My comment was a general statement, not pointed at anyone.

Wow! A lot of people on edge these days!
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Amazingly, the second round was easier for me to make decisions than the first round!
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Zombie Jon Snow said:

You have another oopsie mistake in the voting - should be A Beautiful Mind not Night at the Museum



Does it matter?
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#6 Revenge of the Sith vs. #11 Minority Report 52%-48%
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Catch Me If You Can vs Inglourious Basterds is such a tough one for me.

I absolutely love Catch Me If You Can, and I think it's one of Leo's best. But on the other hand, Basterds is a masterpiece and usually tops my list of QT movies.

Casino Royale vs Pirates of the Carribbean is equally tough.

I also hate to vote against Spider-Man this early (I saw that in theaters literally 5+ times because I loved it so much), but I just can't vote for it over TDK.
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Quote:

Casino Royale vs Pirates of the Carribbean is equally tough.

Casino Royale is a top 3 Bond movie of all time!
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Yep, but I think the first Pirates is almost a perfect summer blockbuster.

Fun, funny, rewatchable, awesome score, etc.
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#3 Avatar vs. #6 Revenge of the Sith
Very curious to see how this goes. I don't know which one gets **** on more by this board.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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#3 Avatar vs. #6 Revenge of the Sith
Very curious to see how this goes. I don't know which one gets **** on more by this board.
Not even embellishing, it's 50% each right now.

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Competition overall is a lot thicker today. I think it comes from the movies being more recent. The 80s had few close matchups, it's been so long since those movies came out, you're pretty much in one camp or the other for most of them.

Through the first 40 votes, 4 lower seeds are ahead, a couple by wide margins.
3 matchups are tied 50-50
2 the favorite is ahead by <5 votes.

That's 9 out of 24 matchups that could go either way.
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MuckRaker96 said:

Brian Earl Spilner said:

Quote:

#3 Avatar vs. #6 Revenge of the Sith
Very curious to see how this goes. I don't know which one gets **** on more by this board.
Not even embellishing, it's 50% each right now.
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MuckRaker96 said:

Competition overall is a lot thicker today. I think it comes from the movies being more recent. The 80s had few close matchups, it's been so long since those movies came out, you're pretty much in one camp or the other for most of them.

Through the first 40 votes, 4 lower seeds are ahead, a couple by wide margins.
3 matchups are tied 50-50
2 the favorite is ahead by <5 votes.

That's 9 out of 24 matchups that could go either way.
Lower seed up by wide margins = School of Rock and Taken!
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caleblyn said:

MuckRaker96 said:

Competition overall is a lot thicker today. I think it comes from the movies being more recent. The 80s had few close matchups, it's been so long since those movies came out, you're pretty much in one camp or the other for most of them.

Through the first 40 votes, 4 lower seeds are ahead, a couple by wide margins.
3 matchups are tied 50-50
2 the favorite is ahead by <5 votes.

That's 9 out of 24 matchups that could go either way.
Lower seed up by wide margins = School of Rock and Taken!

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MuckRaker96 said:

Action/Adventure Region
#2 The Bourne Identity vs. #15 The Bourne Ultimatum 89%-11%


The first three Damon Bourne films are probably my most "rewatchable" movies ever. But I was shocked at this outcome. I love Identity, but Ultimatum is just so, so good.
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MuckRaker96 said:

caleblyn said:

MuckRaker96 said:

Competition overall is a lot thicker today. I think it comes from the movies being more recent. The 80s had few close matchups, it's been so long since those movies came out, you're pretty much in one camp or the other for most of them.

Through the first 40 votes, 4 lower seeds are ahead, a couple by wide margins.
3 matchups are tied 50-50
2 the favorite is ahead by <5 votes.

That's 9 out of 24 matchups that could go either way.
Lower seed up by wide margins = School of Rock and Taken!


I think Old School might beat The Hangover

One thing I've noticed with the voting, and overall discussion, is if a movie has sequels that aren't at the same level it tends to lower your opinion of the original movie.

Brian brought one up, the first Pirates of the Caribbean movie is a great summer blockbuster..then they made 20 more
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I could also see Wedding Crashers coming out of that bracket.
 
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