I don't entirely know where to go with it, because knowing what we know that Forest and Katie know messes with my perception of things.

One way to view it is that Katie totally understood the problem Lyndon had with Forest, knew that he'd buy into the multiverse theory, and basically decided to murder him. But Katie already knew that was going to happen, so did she really "cause" that to happen? And as we see the outcomes of all these different worlds across different parts of the show, did this actually prove Lyndon's theory right and in another few multiverses he's alive and well and back at Devs (even though he fell in our current one)?

The way the whole determinism thing is presented on the show really bugs me. Because there are multiple instances where the characters have known the future and absolutely could have done something to change it. I love the ideas the show is examining, but the execution just doesn't make sense.

MC and Duck - thanks that makes sense now.

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The way the whole determinism thing is presented on the show really bugs me. Because there are multiple instances where the characters have known the future and absolutely could have done something to change it. I love the ideas the show is examining, but the execution just doesn't make sense.

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What doesn't make sense? lol and hearing someone who is a fan of Westworld say any other show doesn't make sense is pretty funny

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The way the whole determinism thing is presented on the show really bugs me. Because there are multiple instances where the characters have known the future and absolutely could have done something to change it. I love the ideas the show is examining, but the execution just doesn't make sense.

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What doesn't make sense? lol and hearing someone who is a fan of Westworld say any other show doesn't make sense is pretty funny

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Katie didn't HAVE to watch Lyndon jump. When he suggested they meet at the damn, she could have just easily said, "No, let's meet at McDonald's." Knowing the future gives you the power to change it. In the same way Katie could have decided to handcuff Lily to the table at Forest's house for the next 48 hours, and avoid everything to come. Determinism only makes sense if you're unaware of the future. But any of these characters who know the future, at any point could have said or done things even slightly differently than what they'd seen on the Devs screen. I just find it to be cheap sci-fi that doesn't quite check out.

As for Westworld, it at least adheres to its own, in-universe logic. It might be sloppily told from time to time, or cut corners here and there, but that's a filmmaking thing, not a betrayal of its core themes/science. I want nothing more than for Devs to work, but it's only gotten worse and more boring as it's gone along. So much telling and not showing. Westworld is not only currently walking circles around it in terms of pure entertainment, but its future/algorithm logic via an all-seeing A.I. is far more thought out as well.

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That's how I felt typing it too.

Btw, I couldn't remember Lyndon's name, so I looked "him" up, and "he" really is played by a she (Cailee Spaeny). I knew something was off, but I didn't realize to this extent...

The female lead (younger) from Pacific Rim too.

He cleans up well.

Hey everyone, Lyndons hot!

I actually looked up "his" actor about two episodes in because I sort of thought "he" was cute at certain angles and thought, my god, this better be a chick...

https://instagr.am/p/Bk809vLleRQ

Definitely a chick! And she's 22

That's pretty funny.

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Maybe it's because I was working while watching, but can someone explain the Lyndon bridge jump scene to me? I don't get it at all or what it was supposed to prove.

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It's a little convoluted but the best i can do is:

The multi verse theory is that anytime in which a decision or action is made, a new world is branched; 1 for every decision or action that wasn't made and 1 for the opposite. (That's why you see the various car crash scenes that play out with Forest's wife and daughter. The basic premise is that in order for those 2 cars to meet at that exact moment relied on an incalculable number of branch decisions.)

Keeping this theory in mind back on the bridge, there exists an infinite number of worlds in which Lyndon theoretically doesn't lose his balance. The wind gust that knocks him off balance was caused by any number of things but there exists a world where that gust doesn't happen and Lyndon is able to climb back over the rail.

So from Lyndon's perspective, it's the only way he can come back to Devs. By proving his commitment to his theory.

Obviously from Katie's perspective it was far more sinister. She knew precisely how it would end and essentially facilitated his pre-determined suicide. (But there exists a world in which Katie would presumably facilitate his re-hiring at Devs).

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What I took from it (could be completely wrong here) is that all throughout the show, they have been showing you the different scenarios that have played out in the different multiverses. But in this case, they only showed Lyndon falling, which meant that he died in every single one. So even though his theory on multi-verses is correct, he still messed up and killed himself in every single timeline he was in that scenario.

As far as the determinism thing goes, the people who have seen the future so far have been scared ****less of deviating from it. Forrest says something to the effect of, "what happens if I see my self waving to myself a minute into the future, and I decide to keep my hands in my pockets instead?"

It seems to me they are setting up Lily seeing something in her future and purposefully altering it, which is why the simulation keeps failing at that time.

The head scratching thing thing is that if she does do that, then the simulation is predicting she does it every time, so does that mean she is actually changing what is predetermined?

That's the problem with any time travel story though, the paradox can make your brain wrinkle if you start thinking about it too hard.

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Maybe it's because I was working while watching, but can someone explain the Lyndon bridge jump scene to me? I don't get it at all or what it was supposed to prove.

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It's a little convoluted but the best i can do is:

The multi verse theory is that anytime in which a decision or action is made, a new world is branched; 1 for every decision or action that wasn't made and 1 for the opposite. (That's why you see the various car crash scenes that play out with Forest's wife and daughter. The basic premise is that in order for those 2 cars to meet at that exact moment relied on an incalculable number of branch decisions.)

Keeping this theory in mind back on the bridge, there exists an infinite number of worlds in which Lyndon theoretically doesn't lose his balance. The wind gust that knocks him off balance was caused by any number of things but there exists a world where that gust doesn't happen and Lyndon is able to climb back over the rail.

So from Lyndon's perspective, it's the only way he can come back to Devs. By proving his commitment to his theory.

Obviously from Katie's perspective it was far more sinister. She knew precisely how it would end and essentially facilitated his pre-determined suicide. (But there exists a world in which Katie would presumably facilitate his re-hiring at Devs).

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What I took from it (could be completely wrong here) is that all throughout the show, they have been showing you the different scenarios that have played out in the different multiverses. But in this case, they only showed Lyndon falling, which meant that he died in every single one. So even though his theory on multi-verses is correct, he still messed up and killed himself in every single timeline he was in that scenario.

As far as the determinism thing goes, the people who have seen the future so far have been scared ****less of deviating from it. Forrest says something to the effect of, "what happens if I see my self waving to myself a minute into the future, and I decide to keep my hands in my pockets instead?"

It seems to me they are setting up Lily seeing something in her future and purposefully altering it, which is why the simulation keeps failing at that time.

The head scratching thing thing is that if she does do that, then the simulation is predicting she does it every time, so does that mean she is actually changing what is predetermined?

That's the problem with any time travel story though, the paradox can make your brain wrinkle if you start thinking about it too hard.

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Yea you could be 100% right. That's the debate within the show.

If determinism exists, then the multi-verse theory can't. Thus, his falling is viewed by us, the educated viewers as either:
a) this world merely represented 1 of many in which he fell in a variety of ways
b) determinism exists. he was always going to fall.

lol it's a trip either way. Time travel/future telling definitely isn't for everyone but i love it.

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The way the whole determinism thing is presented on the show really bugs me. Because there are multiple instances where the characters have known the future and absolutely could have done something to change it. I love the ideas the show is examining, but the execution just doesn't make sense.

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What doesn't make sense? lol and hearing someone who is a fan of Westworld say any other show doesn't make sense is pretty funny

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Katie didn't HAVE to watch Lyndon jump. When he suggested they meet at the damn, she could have just easily said, "No, let's meet at McDonald's." Knowing the future gives you the power to change it. In the same way Katie could have decided to handcuff Lily to the table at Forest's house for the next 48 hours, and avoid everything to come. Determinism only makes sense if you're unaware of the future. But any of these characters who know the future, at any point could have said or done things even slightly differently than what they'd seen on the Devs screen. I just find it to be cheap sci-fi that doesn't quite check out.

As for Westworld, it at least adheres to its own, in-universe logic. It might be sloppily told from time to time, or cut corners here and there, but that's a filmmaking thing, not a betrayal of its core themes/science. I want nothing more than for Devs to work, but it's only gotten worse and more boring as it's gone along. So much telling and not showing. Westworld is not only currently walking circles around it in terms of pure entertainment, but its future/algorithm logic via an all-seeing A.I. is far more thought out as well.

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lol wow i was making a joke man. Westworld has a convoluted plot was all i was saying.

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Maybe it's because I was working while watching, but can someone explain the Lyndon bridge jump scene to me? I don't get it at all or what it was supposed to prove.

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It's a little convoluted but the best i can do is:

The multi verse theory is that anytime in which a decision or action is made, a new world is branched; 1 for every decision or action that wasn't made and 1 for the opposite. (That's why you see the various car crash scenes that play out with Forest's wife and daughter. The basic premise is that in order for those 2 cars to meet at that exact moment relied on an incalculable number of branch decisions.)

Keeping this theory in mind back on the bridge, there exists an infinite number of worlds in which Lyndon theoretically doesn't lose his balance. The wind gust that knocks him off balance was caused by any number of things but there exists a world where that gust doesn't happen and Lyndon is able to climb back over the rail.

So from Lyndon's perspective, it's the only way he can come back to Devs. By proving his commitment to his theory.

Obviously from Katie's perspective it was far more sinister. She knew precisely how it would end and essentially facilitated his pre-determined suicide. (But there exists a world in which Katie would presumably facilitate his re-hiring at Devs).

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What I took from it (could be completely wrong here) is that all throughout the show, they have been showing you the different scenarios that have played out in the different multiverses. But in this case, they only showed Lyndon falling, which meant that he died in every single one. So even though his theory on multi-verses is correct, he still messed up and killed himself in every single timeline he was in that scenario.

As far as the determinism thing goes, the people who have seen the future so far have been scared ****less of deviating from it. Forrest says something to the effect of, "what happens if I see my self waving to myself a minute into the future, and I decide to keep my hands in my pockets instead?"

It seems to me they are setting up Lily seeing something in her future and purposefully altering it, which is why the simulation keeps failing at that time.

The head scratching thing thing is that if she does do that, then the simulation is predicting she does it every time, so does that mean she is actually changing what is predetermined?

That's the problem with any time travel story though, the paradox can make your brain wrinkle if you start thinking about it too hard.

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Yea you could be 100% right. That's the debate within the show.

If determinism exists, then the multi-verse theory can't. Thus, his falling is viewed by us, the educated viewers as either:
a) this world merely represented 1 of many in which he fell in a variety of ways
b) determinism exists. he was always going to fall.

lol it's a trip either way. Time travel/future telling definitely isn't for everyone but i love it.

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Oh I do too.

I doubt the universe in the show ends up as being decided as deterministic, just like I don't think WW ends up with that conclusion either. Mainly because it's a depressing one that would alienate a bunch of people. That's the only actual deterministic thing about this show, that the writers have to end on a note that pleases people's preconceptions about their own realities.

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Maybe it's because I was working while watching, but can someone explain the Lyndon bridge jump scene to me? I don't get it at all or what it was supposed to prove.

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It's a little convoluted but the best i can do is:

The multi verse theory is that anytime in which a decision or action is made, a new world is branched; 1 for every decision or action that wasn't made and 1 for the opposite. (That's why you see the various car crash scenes that play out with Forest's wife and daughter. The basic premise is that in order for those 2 cars to meet at that exact moment relied on an incalculable number of branch decisions.)

Keeping this theory in mind back on the bridge, there exists an infinite number of worlds in which Lyndon theoretically doesn't lose his balance. The wind gust that knocks him off balance was caused by any number of things but there exists a world where that gust doesn't happen and Lyndon is able to climb back over the rail.

So from Lyndon's perspective, it's the only way he can come back to Devs. By proving his commitment to his theory.

Obviously from Katie's perspective it was far more sinister. She knew precisely how it would end and essentially facilitated his pre-determined suicide. (But there exists a world in which Katie would presumably facilitate his re-hiring at Devs).

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What I took from it (could be completely wrong here) is that all throughout the show, they have been showing you the different scenarios that have played out in the different multiverses. But in this case, they only showed Lyndon falling, which meant that he died in every single one. So even though his theory on multi-verses is correct, he still messed up and killed himself in every single timeline he was in that scenario.

As far as the determinism thing goes, the people who have seen the future so far have been scared ****less of deviating from it. Forrest says something to the effect of, "what happens if I see my self waving to myself a minute into the future, and I decide to keep my hands in my pockets instead?"

It seems to me they are setting up Lily seeing something in her future and purposefully altering it, which is why the simulation keeps failing at that time.

The head scratching thing thing is that if she does do that, then the simulation is predicting she does it every time, so does that mean she is actually changing what is predetermined?

That's the problem with any time travel story though, the paradox can make your brain wrinkle if you start thinking about it too hard.

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Yea you could be 100% right. That's the debate within the show.

If determinism exists, then the multi-verse theory can't. Thus, his falling is viewed by us, the educated viewers as either:
a) this world merely represented 1 of many in which he fell in a variety of ways
b) determinism exists. he was always going to fall.

lol it's a trip either way. Time travel/future telling definitely isn't for everyone but i love it.

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Oh I do too.

I doubt the universe in the show ends up as being decided as deterministic, just like I don't think WW ends up with that conclusion either. Mainly because it's a depressing one that would alienate a bunch of people. That's the only actual deterministic thing about this show, that the writers have to end on a note that pleases people's preconceptions about their own realities.

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This thing will be crazy. The whole "simulation inside a simulation" is going to be key. I feel like it's going to end with them realizing they were living in another Devs simulation.

This show may not have sword fighting robots but it's pretty fascinating.

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Maybe it's because I was working while watching, but can someone explain the Lyndon bridge jump scene to me? I don't get it at all or what it was supposed to prove.

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It's a little convoluted but the best i can do is:

The multi verse theory is that anytime in which a decision or action is made, a new world is branched; 1 for every decision or action that wasn't made and 1 for the opposite. (That's why you see the various car crash scenes that play out with Forest's wife and daughter. The basic premise is that in order for those 2 cars to meet at that exact moment relied on an incalculable number of branch decisions.)

Keeping this theory in mind back on the bridge, there exists an infinite number of worlds in which Lyndon theoretically doesn't lose his balance. The wind gust that knocks him off balance was caused by any number of things but there exists a world where that gust doesn't happen and Lyndon is able to climb back over the rail.

So from Lyndon's perspective, it's the only way he can come back to Devs. By proving his commitment to his theory.

Obviously from Katie's perspective it was far more sinister. She knew precisely how it would end and essentially facilitated his pre-determined suicide. (But there exists a world in which Katie would presumably facilitate his re-hiring at Devs).

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What I took from it (could be completely wrong here) is that all throughout the show, they have been showing you the different scenarios that have played out in the different multiverses. But in this case, they only showed Lyndon falling, which meant that he died in every single one. So even though his theory on multi-verses is correct, he still messed up and killed himself in every single timeline he was in that scenario.

As far as the determinism thing goes, the people who have seen the future so far have been scared ****less of deviating from it. Forrest says something to the effect of, "what happens if I see my self waving to myself a minute into the future, and I decide to keep my hands in my pockets instead?"

It seems to me they are setting up Lily seeing something in her future and purposefully altering it, which is why the simulation keeps failing at that time.

The head scratching thing thing is that if she does do that, then the simulation is predicting she does it every time, so does that mean she is actually changing what is predetermined?

That's the problem with any time travel story though, the paradox can make your brain wrinkle if you start thinking about it too hard.

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Yea you could be 100% right. That's the debate within the show.

If determinism exists, then the multi-verse theory can't. Thus, his falling is viewed by us, the educated viewers as either:
a) this world merely represented 1 of many in which he fell in a variety of ways
b) determinism exists. he was always going to fall.

lol it's a trip either way. Time travel/future telling definitely isn't for everyone but i love it.

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Oh I do too.

I doubt the universe in the show ends up as being decided as deterministic, just like I don't think WW ends up with that conclusion either. Mainly because it's a depressing one that would alienate a bunch of people. That's the only actual deterministic thing about this show, that the writers have to end on a note that pleases people's preconceptions about their own realities.

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I don't think Garland cares about pleasing people's preconceptions about anything. I felt like Ex Machina and Annilihation both were pretty depressing films albeit excellent

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The way the whole determinism thing is presented on the show really bugs me. Because there are multiple instances where the characters have known the future and absolutely could have done something to change it. I love the ideas the show is examining, but the execution just doesn't make sense.

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What doesn't make sense? lol and hearing someone who is a fan of Westworld say any other show doesn't make sense is pretty funny

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Katie didn't HAVE to watch Lyndon jump. When he suggested they meet at the damn, she could have just easily said, "No, let's meet at McDonald's." Knowing the future gives you the power to change it. In the same way Katie could have decided to handcuff Lily to the table at Forest's house for the next 48 hours, and avoid everything to come. Determinism only makes sense if you're unaware of the future. But any of these characters who know the future, at any point could have said or done things even slightly differently than what they'd seen on the Devs screen. I just find it to be cheap sci-fi that doesn't quite check out.

As for Westworld, it at least adheres to its own, in-universe logic. It might be sloppily told from time to time, or cut corners here and there, but that's a filmmaking thing, not a betrayal of its core themes/science. I want nothing more than for Devs to work, but it's only gotten worse and more boring as it's gone along. So much telling and not showing. Westworld is not only currently walking circles around it in terms of pure entertainment, but its future/algorithm logic via an all-seeing A.I. is far more thought out as well.

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lol wow i was making a joke man. Westworld has a convoluted plot was all i was saying.

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While I love Westworld, it continues to get more boring, as Devs grows more intriguing each week.

Ha, man, I have the exact opposite reaction, and strongly so. I'm glad people are still into Devs, though. I am too, and I want nothing more than for it to have a killer finale. I'm just not hopeful, based on the past two or three episodes.

Does anyone know if the anamorphic ratio is over-compressed for all scenes or just certain ones? It's very noticeable for a lot of the facial close-ups, particularly for Kenton.

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Does anyone know if the anamorphic ratio is over-compressed for all scenes or just certain ones? It's very noticeable for a lot of the facial close-ups, particularly for Kenton.

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lol the what now?

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The way the whole determinism thing is presented on the show really bugs me. Because there are multiple instances where the characters have known the future and absolutely could have done something to change it. I love the ideas the show is examining, but the execution just doesn't make sense.

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What doesn't make sense? lol and hearing someone who is a fan of Westworld say any other show doesn't make sense is pretty funny

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Katie didn't HAVE to watch Lyndon jump. When he suggested they meet at the damn, she could have just easily said, "No, let's meet at McDonald's." Knowing the future gives you the power to change it. In the same way Katie could have decided to handcuff Lily to the table at Forest's house for the next 48 hours, and avoid everything to come. Determinism only makes sense if you're unaware of the future. But any of these characters who know the future, at any point could have said or done things even slightly differently than what they'd seen on the Devs screen. I just find it to be cheap sci-fi that doesn't quite check out.

As for Westworld, it at least adheres to its own, in-universe logic. It might be sloppily told from time to time, or cut corners here and there, but that's a filmmaking thing, not a betrayal of its core themes/science. I want nothing more than for Devs to work, but it's only gotten worse and more boring as it's gone along. So much telling and not showing. Westworld is not only currently walking circles around it in terms of pure entertainment, but its future/algorithm logic via an all-seeing A.I. is far more thought out as well.

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lol wow i was making a joke man. Westworld has a convoluted plot was all i was saying.

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While I love Westworld, it continues to get more boring, as Devs grows more intriguing each week.

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I think both are great. Devs is about to be over, and Westworld will be continuing. Hard to compare them in the sense of which is getting better when Devs is and will only be 8 episodes.

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Does anyone know if the anamorphic ratio is over-compressed for all scenes or just certain ones? It's very noticeable for a lot of the facial close-ups, particularly for Kenton.

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lol the what now?

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probably using the incorrect term, but while the aspect ratio remains the same, the picture is a bit "smashed" down. Makes everyone's faces seem wider. It's usually more noticeable on the edges of an image from an anamorphic lens.



I like the sinister effect though.

No matter our varying opinions of either show, when you take a step back, it really is pretty crazy that two shows, airing simultaneously on two separate cable networks, are each grappling with an all-knowing A.I. that can look into the past and future based on algorithms, and that the characters of each show are trying to break free of the path that their A.I. creations have set for them.

I think that's just the way Garland has always shot. A lot of his movies look like that too.

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I think both are great. Devs is about to be over, and Westworld will be continuing. Hard to compare them in the sense of which is getting better when Devs is and will only be 8 episodes.

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Completely agree. I was just being snarky towards TCTTS. I am so thankful to have great scifi like Westworld on tv. Devs is something special though. Can't wait to see where Alex Garland's career goes.

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The way the whole determinism thing is presented on the show really bugs me. Because there are multiple instances where the characters have known the future and absolutely could have done something to change it. I love the ideas the show is examining, but the execution just doesn't make sense.

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B/c you're thinking about it too narrowly.

There's essentially 2 factions at odds with each other:
- Multi-verse (Everitt) theorists
- Determinists

Lyndon believes in the multi verse theory. Where every decision or action that can happen, results in a new world. So when you ask; "why can't they disprove a future they've already seen?"

Odds are they do. If i show you a video of you raising your right arm 1 min ahead of time, all you have to do is simply keep your arms still. However, within the multi verse, there's a world in which you will raise your arm because the moment i showed you that video a decision was made (A - raise my arm or B - don't raise my arm). Either way, both worlds exist.

It's not about Lyndon simply refusing to go to the bridge. Or Lily refusing to go to Devs. The moment that choice was presented a new branch of worlds were created (1 in which they follow the foretold future and 1 in which they dont).

We are watching the world where they follow it (so far). (besides, the world that ends with Lily deciding not to message the Russian handler isn't the world that would make for a compelling tv show. )

As far as Forest is concerned, we know he's a staunch determinist. He doesn't WANT to defy the simulation because he knows that if he does, then it essentially confirms the multi verse exists and it was his decisions that killed his daughter (not some pre-determined, unstoppable, fate).

Katie is a little more confusing. She publicly supports Forest in his determinist theory but we see her playing with the simulation and the alive mouse (an alternate world). Her motivations are unclear at the moment but the Lyndon incident was something she did (i'm assuming) to support Forest. She wanted to keep things "on the tram lines."

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As far as Forest is concerned, we know he's a staunch determinist. He doesn't WANT to defy the simulation because he knows that if he does, then it essentially confirms the multi verse exists and it was his decisions that killed his daughter (not some pre-determined, unstoppable, fate).

Katie is a little more confusing. She publicly supports Forest in his determinist theory but we see her playing with the simulation and the alive mouse (an alternate world). Her motivations are unclear at the moment but the Lyndon incident was something she did (i'm assuming) to support Forest. She wanted to keep things "on the tram lines."

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Exactly, Forest has likely convinced Katie (to this point) that the determined future must be followed. We have seen instances of her questioning this idea in her mind. Meanwhile, Stewart has just seen it all for the first time, and contemplating how he should proceed.

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Does anyone know if the anamorphic ratio is over-compressed for all scenes or just certain ones? It's very noticeable for a lot of the facial close-ups, particularly for Kenton.

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lol the what now?

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probably using the incorrect term, but while the aspect ratio remains the same, the picture is a bit "smashed" down. Makes everyone's faces seem wider. It's usually more noticeable on the edges of an image from an anamorphic lens.



I like the sinister effect though.

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I'm sure you're right, i just never heard the term. I didn't notice during my watch but i can see what you mean. I think some of these streaming services have been having compression issues lately (i know netflix has). Might be related to that? idk.

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Does anyone know if the anamorphic ratio is over-compressed for all scenes or just certain ones? It's very noticeable for a lot of the facial close-ups, particularly for Kenton.

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lol the what now?

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probably using the incorrect term, but while the aspect ratio remains the same, the picture is a bit "smashed" down. Makes everyone's faces seem wider. It's usually more noticeable on the edges of an image from an anamorphic lens.



I like the sinister effect though.

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I'm sure you're right, i just never heard the term. I didn't notice during my watch but i can see what you mean. I think some of these streaming services have been having compression issues lately (i know netflix has). Might be related to that? idk.

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No, it's on purpose. My original question about it is more about wondering if it ties into the story or just a usual Alex Garland effect. I had a hunch that maybe the "compressed" scenes could be alternate realities, but that may be looking a bit too much into it.

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As far as Forest is concerned, we know he's a staunch determinist. He doesn't WANT to defy the simulation because he knows that if he does, then it essentially confirms the multi verse exists and it was his decisions that killed his daughter (not some pre-determined, unstoppable, fate).

Katie is a little more confusing. She publicly supports Forest in his determinist theory but we see her playing with the simulation and the alive mouse (an alternate world). Her motivations are unclear at the moment but the Lyndon incident was something she did (i'm assuming) to support Forest. She wanted to keep things "on the tram lines."

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Exactly, Forest has likely convinced Katie (to this point) that the determined future must be followed. We have seen instances of her questioning this idea in her mind. Meanwhile, Stewart has just seen it all for the first time, and contemplating how he should proceed.

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lol poor stewart had his world rocked. Imagine discovering your whole life is likely a simulation in someone elses computer.

i'm not sure I'd be able to literally wax-poetic if I'd experienced such a thing, but loved how they presented him.

I can get on board with that interpretation to an extent, but it still makes for muddled drama. Either way, I appreciate the break down. You explained it way better than the show has.