Agreed. She's just... blah. That said, it looks like things are about to ramp up, so hopefully she becomes a little more likable/interesting given the circumstances.

I was thinking about commenting on the same thing basically. The show is great, but the actress who plays Lily... sucks.

Agree with your sentiments. Love the subject matter and Alex Garland's style, but it's just a little straightforward at this point considering the trippy concept. That's alright though. It's still a really good show.

Really like Nick Offerman in this however. The scene with the DEVS team and the girl/boy/thing last episode was awesome.

Exactly. Offerman and that whole side of things are fantastic. I'm so incredibly captivated every time we're in that facility. But then it'll cut to Lily's story and it's like, "We have to keep dealing with this?" I would much rather watch more of the power struggle/dynamic between Offerman's character and the sidekick woman. Even that stuff with the senator could have been a better angle in than Lily's story (though I'd recast the senator as well).

Spot on

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I was thinking about commenting on the same thing basically. The show is great, but the actress who plays Lily... sucks.

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very strange for such a well done show in every other aspect to have such a weak link as a main character. she is truly awful. it's distracting.

Thought episode 5 was fantastic. The opening and closing montages to Oh I Wept by Free were great. Seeing Forest's tragedy was gut-wrenching. And we had very minimal speaking by Lily.

Great to hear. Looking forward to. Watching tomorrow.

Yea I liked the deeper dive into Katie and Forest's relationship.

I'm also LOVING the representation of the different branch worlds that "could have been/are." (Reminds me of a fantastic book called Dark Matter. Y'all should check it out if you like this kinda sci fi.)

The only thing that bugs me is Kentons physical presence lol. Like, he's supposed to be this intimidating, "fixer" but he looks like my dad lol. I loved his fight with the Russian spy because it felt so visceral and real, but I couldn't take him seriously when he was threatening Jamie in the tub. I'm like, "Jamie, you can take this old boomer!!!"

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Thought episode 5 was fantastic. The opening and closing montages to Oh I Wept by Free were great. Seeing Forest's tragedy was gut-wrenching. And we had very minimal speaking by Lily.

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Agree with all of that... never heard that song by Free, it's fantastic. And the montages and showing of parallel realities were so well done.

AMAZING episode and a return to the form seen in the first two.

man...ron swanson took a really dark turn.

seriously though...this show is so damn good.

Interesting setup. I can't tell if they're hinting at an "end of the world" cataclysm or some sort of collapse of their machine, but I'm in!

Jamie deserves better.

There was an anxious tension that entire episode for me. Love it.

The good news is that Lily is officially up to speed with everything that is going on (well almost, as we don't know what Katie deliberately omitted from their pow-wow). So that should help with the feeling of "sluggish-ness" everytime the story focuses on her part.

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The good news is that Lily is officially up to speed with everything that is going on (well almost, as we don't know what Katie deliberately omitted from their pow-wow). So that should help with the feeling of "sluggish-ness" everytime the story focuses on her part.

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I assumed it was her death that was referenced a few episodes ago. But maybe we've passed the timeline on that already.

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M.C. Swag said:

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The good news is that Lily is officially up to speed with everything that is going on (well almost, as we don't know what Katie deliberately omitted from their pow-wow). So that should help with the feeling of "sluggish-ness" everytime the story focuses on her part.

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I assumed it was her death that was referenced a few episodes ago. But maybe we've passed the timeline on that already.

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Oh yea, that might be it. Didn't even cross my mind.

Unrelated, I'm intrigued to see how far they go with this machine. When Katie simulated the dead mouse into an alive one, I don't understand how that helps Forest with his daughter. Like, at best he'll just be able to "watch" a simulation of her being alive, he wont actually be able to interact with/touch her.

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Interesting setup. I can't tell if they're hinting at an "end of the world" cataclysm or some sort of collapse of their machine, but I'm in!

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maybe the end of determinism? no clue but i can't wait.

It was painful watching Alison Pill (Katie) act circles around Sonoya Mizuno (Lily) in their big scene together. And because of that, the conversation that Katie had in bed with Forest after, where she was just in awe of Lily, rang so false to me. That said, I'm glad we've finally reached the point where everyone is caught up and the end game is in play, and I'm looking forward to see it all play out (even if my belief that Lily is one of the worst TV characters ever has continually been reinforced).

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It was painful watching Alison Pill (Katie) act circles around Sonoya Mizuno (Lily) in their big scene together.

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Man you aren't lying... Allison Pill is always so good. That was like watching an NBA player go one on one vs my 7-year-old niece... Who has never held a basketball.


But I did love Jamie and Forest's entire interaction outside. Especially when it cut to them playing frisbee.

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It was painful watching Alison Pill (Katie) act circles around Sonoya Mizuno (Lily) in their big scene together. And because of that, the conversation that Katie had in bed with Forest after, where she was just in awe of Lily, rang so false to me. That said, I'm glad we've finally reached the point where everyone is caught up and the end game is in play, and I'm looking forward to see it all play out (even if my belief that Lily is one of the worst TV characters ever has continually been reinforced).

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It would make sense if they had a better actress. It really looked liked that was how the script was suppose to go..... but the script depended on a better actress to portray Lily. That's why the scene with Katie in the end where she was impressed with Lily looked weird.

And I guess Katie is all in on DEVS since she told Lily the truth about everything. She knows 100% Lily will show up and die at DEVS.

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TCTTS said:

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It was painful watching Alison Pill (Katie) act circles around Sonoya Mizuno (Lily) in their big scene together.

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Man you aren't lying... Allison Pill is always so good. That was like watching an NBA player go one on one vs my 7-year-old niece... Who has never held a basketball.


But I did love Jamie and Forest's entire interaction outside. Especially when it cut to them playing frisbee.

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The Jamie/Forest stuff was great. It was somewhat cathartic seeing Jamie call Forest out like that, and then yeah, I loved the frisbee bit as well.

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TCTTS said:

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It was painful watching Alison Pill (Katie) act circles around Sonoya Mizuno (Lily) in their big scene together. And because of that, the conversation that Katie had in bed with Forest after, where she was just in awe of Lily, rang so false to me. That said, I'm glad we've finally reached the point where everyone is caught up and the end game is in play, and I'm looking forward to see it all play out (even if my belief that Lily is one of the worst TV characters ever has continually been reinforced).

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It would make sense if they had a better actress. It really looked liked that was how the script was suppose to go..... but the script depended on a better actress to portray Lily. That's why the scene with Katie in the end where she was impressed with Lily looked weird.

And I guess Katie is all in on DEVS since she told Lily the truth about everything. She knows 100% Lily will show up and die at DEVS.

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Exactly. Suddenly Lily is now "the one" or whatever and it would be so much more believable with a better actress. Heck, even Pill and Mizuno simply switching roles could have done wonders, I think (though, again, Pill is nails as Katie).

I really dig the actor playing Jamie, he's been great and holding your own against Nick Offerman is no easy task.

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TCTTS said:

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It was painful watching Alison Pill (Katie) act circles around Sonoya Mizuno (Lily) in their big scene together. And because of that, the conversation that Katie had in bed with Forest after, where she was just in awe of Lily, rang so false to me. That said, I'm glad we've finally reached the point where everyone is caught up and the end game is in play, and I'm looking forward to see it all play out (even if my belief that Lily is one of the worst TV characters ever has continually been reinforced).

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It would make sense if they had a better actress. It really looked liked that was how the script was suppose to go..... but the script depended on a better actress to portray Lily. That's why the scene with Katie in the end where she was impressed with Lily looked weird.

And I guess Katie is all in on DEVS since she told Lily the truth about everything. She knows 100% Lily will show up and die at DEVS.

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Agree 100% she's a weak actor, but i took the "brave/smart" comments as a result of her watching Lily through the simulation for some time and seeing her essentially grow up. So, in a weird way, she actually has intimate knowledge of Lily's character.

But yea, the casting could have been a lot better.

Oo boy - I like the style and the setting and atmosphere (just finished 2) But boy, I really hope this actress isn't our lead for the entire season. She's tough to watch.

You guys are going way overkill on the Lily hate.

Her role is that of a young computer-science-geek. She's not going to have a lot of depth and range in social situations.

She's not a great actress by any stretch, but I certainly don't feel like the way she's carried herself would be any different than your run-of-the-mill socially inept computer geek. Silicon Valley has us expecting too much out of our geeks

The biggest issue with Lily's character is just what part of her contract requires them to show off her bird legs and panties nineteen times an episode.

my annoyance with her is it seems like she's trying to remember her lines in every scene she's in. there's always a pause and stupid/confused look on her face in every scene before she speaks. that and she's terrible at displaying the correct emotion.

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You guys are going way overkill on the Lily hate.

Her role is that of a young computer-science-geek. She's not going to have a lot of depth and range in social situations.

She's not a great actress by any stretch, but I certainly don't feel like the way she's carried herself would be any different than your run-of-the-mill socially inept computer geek. Silicon Valley has us expecting too much out of our geeks

The biggest issue with Lily's character is just what part of her contract requires them to show off her bird legs and panties nineteen times an episode.

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lol i dont think anyone is criticizing the CHARACTER of Lily (we understand she's a computer geek), but the actors portrayal of her is 100% forced. Her acting just feels unnatural and is the only 1 in the show that actively reminds me I'm watching a show.

tl;dr - I don't hate Lily (the fictional character). I'm critical of Sonoya Mizuno who is portraying that character.

yep, the character is fine. The actress sucks.

I mean, I find the character kind of dislikable too, but that's a different topic

stewart reciting that poem voiced over lyndon falling as katie watched, the apartment scene, lily stepping over into everything and finally that breathy, guttural vocal picking back up once the screen fades to black.

this show. damn.

Maybe it's because I was working while watching, but can someone explain the Lyndon bridge jump scene to me? I don't get it at all or what it was supposed to prove.

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Maybe it's because I was working while watching, but can someone explain the Lyndon bridge jump scene to me? I don't get it at all or what it was supposed to prove.

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I've been trying to wrap my head around it too... all I could think was for a genius, Lyndon is pretty ****ing stupid

i was watching late at night and fighting falling asleep but didn't it have something to do with a multiverse? in some alternative universe he doesn't fall, proves his faith and gets to go back to devs in theory?

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Maybe it's because I was working while watching, but can someone explain the Lyndon bridge jump scene to me? I don't get it at all or what it was supposed to prove.

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It's a little convoluted but the best i can do is:

The multi verse theory is that anytime in which a decision or action is made, a new world is branched; 1 for every decision or action that wasn't made and 1 for the opposite. (That's why you see the various car crash scenes that play out with Forest's wife and daughter. The basic premise is that in order for those 2 cars to meet at that exact moment relied on an incalculable number of branch decisions.)

Keeping this theory in mind back on the bridge, there exists an infinite number of worlds in which Lyndon theoretically doesn't lose his balance. The wind gust that knocks him off balance was caused by any number of things but there exists a world where that gust doesn't happen and Lyndon is able to climb back over the rail.

So from Lyndon's perspective, it's the only way he can come back to Devs. By proving his commitment to his theory.

Obviously from Katie's perspective it was far more sinister. She knew precisely how it would end and essentially facilitated his pre-determined suicide. (But there exists a world in which Katie would presumably facilitate his re-hiring at Devs).