That was Jason Bateman asking "Charges withdrawn?" Then that's why his attorney says "not quite" and gives him the justice train speech as far as it not being that logical/simple.

The DA wasn't backing down yet, as evidenced by the arraignment moving forward + the courthouse interview he gave. Bateman's attorney was counting on the video to get him a bail he could make, then I'm sure hope to finish off the DA and get charges dropped while out on bail.

Thanks. I missed that.

Really looking forward to a new episode!

Just watched the first two eps... I am so ****ing in.

Fantastic start.

My wife wouldn't watch episode 2 unless it was light outside lol. We watched episode 1 last night and she turned on an episode of the office right afterwards

My guess. The little girl, Jessi, is not having nightmares, she is seeing the creepy hooded person. This is a Stephen King story

I knew it was coming bc Stephen king, but I found the third episode less satisfying now that the paranormal stuff is clear, I think it's easy to imagine how the show will play out. Still good entertainment though.

Loved this episode. Beautifully shot, perfectly paced, and revealed just enough. Really liking what Gibney brings as well. Was wondering how I'd feel with no Bateman, but I'm so in.

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I knew it was coming bc Stephen king, but I found the third episode less satisfying now that the paranormal stuff is clear, I think it's easy to imagine how the show will play out. Still good entertainment though.

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I have absolutely no clue how this plays out. Also, how would you say the supernatural stuff is "clear"?

+1 on the "now that this is definitely supernatural I'm not near as intrigued"

Lol, I'm not sure how anyone could go into this expecting it not to be supernatural.

Echoing the above, it's not only Steven King, but both trailers clearly pointed to the supernatural - or time travel at the very least - with Bateman's character literally being in two places at once. The entire gist of the marketing was basically, "I don't understand how this is possible." What did you guys think the answer was going to be?

You guys are aware that the last original book series he had adapted to the screen was his "Bill Hodges" trilogy which was based around a detective and had no true supernatural elements in it, right?

I hadn't yet cracked open this new series, so was hoping this was more in the vein of True Detective than his supernatural work... because honestly a detective story where significant supernatural elements exist doesn't really carry the same intrigue because there's nothing to really "figure out" because so much of it can come completely out of left field.

Still fully in even with the supernatural aspect, although i acknowledge that does put it at risk for a downward spiral. But still enjoying the mystery and creepy factor for now.

One nit to pick though -> could we lay the ahole cop part on any thicker. Holy ***** It would be okay to tone it down just a hair.

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You guys are aware that the last original book series he had adapted to the screen was his "Bill Hodges" trilogy which was based around a detective and had no true supernatural elements in it, right?

I hadn't yet cracked open this new series, so was hoping this was more in the vein of True Detective than his supernatural work... because honestly a detective story where significant supernatural elements exist doesn't really carry the same intrigue because there's nothing to really "figure out" because so much of it can come completely out of left field.

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Have you actually read the Bill Hodges/Mr Mercedes books? There is definitely supernatural elements in them.

What's up with the cop's neck? Why hasn't he told anyone about the barn?

How the hell wouldn't the lady at the nursing home know about a child murder and the court house shoot out????

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Proposition Joe said:

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You guys are aware that the last original book series he had adapted to the screen was his "Bill Hodges" trilogy which was based around a detective and had no true supernatural elements in it, right?

I hadn't yet cracked open this new series, so was hoping this was more in the vein of True Detective than his supernatural work... because honestly a detective story where significant supernatural elements exist doesn't really carry the same intrigue because there's nothing to really "figure out" because so much of it can come completely out of left field.

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Have you actually read the Bill Hodges/Mr Mercedes books? There is definitely supernatural elements in them.

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Mr Mercedes and Finders Keepers are essentially devoid of any true supernatural elements. End of Watch has them, but not near the degree of your typical King novel prior to his crime drama kick. And certainly not to the extent that it looks like we're headed with The Outsider.

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What's up with the cop's neck? Why hasn't he told anyone about the barn?

How the hell wouldn't the lady at the nursing home know about a child murder and the court house shoot out????

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I'm assuming she knew about them both, but that didn't put together that the guy who came and visited the old man was the guy who did it (or not the guy, but you get my point).

If detectives came in to question the old man about it, I'm going to guess he had "disappeared" for much of the time they claim the attack on the two black girls took place and that we're looking at some kind of supernatural ability with a voodoo-esque cut/scratch to create a doppelganger but it either requires young sacrifices/consumption to stay in the body and/or degrades the mind.

Somewhat similar to King/Straub's Black House.

Plus, the "unique" PI is a character in the Mr. Mercedes books, too.

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What's up with the cop's neck? Why hasn't he told anyone about the barn?

How the hell wouldn't the lady at the nursing home know about a child murder and the court house shoot out????

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The nursing home is in Dayton, OH...the murder Terry Matiland was pinned for and then subsequently murdered for happened in Georgia.

The savant lady even asked the same question you did to Ralph and he responded with "Cherokee City isn't exactly the center of the universe."

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Proposition Joe said:

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You guys are aware that the last original book series he had adapted to the screen was his "Bill Hodges" trilogy which was based around a detective and had no true supernatural elements in it, right?

I hadn't yet cracked open this new series, so was hoping this was more in the vein of True Detective than his supernatural work... because honestly a detective story where significant supernatural elements exist doesn't really carry the same intrigue because there's nothing to really "figure out" because so much of it can come completely out of left field.

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Have you actually read the Bill Hodges/Mr Mercedes books? There is definitely supernatural elements in them.

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Mr Mercedes and Finders Keepers are essentially devoid of any true supernatural elements. End of Watch has them, but not near the degree of your typical King novel prior to his crime drama kick. And certainly not to the extent that it looks like we're headed with The Outsider.

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That's right. I was remembering parts of End of Watch as parts of Finders Keepers. I was thinking Brady played a bigger part in that but he didn't.

One episode in for her, but Erivo is gonna be nominated for something.

Really well shot, but the more supernatural it gets, the less I am interested. I tried stranger things, Dark etc, just never my cup of tea.
Was hoping this would be closer to Shawshank or even Green Mile King (wrong man accused, how does he and the world around him react) than his more supernatural adapted stuff, but it's trending away quickly.

I actually love supernatural stuff, but not in my serialized detective shows as it removes the viewer from really being able to solve the mystery.

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SquirrellyDan said:

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I knew it was coming bc Stephen king, but I found the third episode less satisfying now that the paranormal stuff is clear, I think it's easy to imagine how the show will play out. Still good entertainment though.

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I have absolutely no clue how this plays out. Also, how would you say the supernatural stuff is "clear"?

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Meant that we know for sure now there is no explanation without supernatural occurrences, which to me makes it less interesting. Just my opinion.

What was going on in the jail cell when the guy slit his throat?

What did I miss?

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What was going on in the jail cell when the guy slit his throat?

What did I miss?

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lol we don't know yet. When the PI showed up at the nursing home, the Secretary mentioned something about "all the reporters." The PI looks into what happened recently to cause reporters swooping in to a nursing home in this town and discovers that one of the staff - a young black man - was arrested and convicted of killing two young girls about the same time that Terry visited Dayton.

This is the same man we see in the prison earlier in the episode, who kills himself at the end of the episode rather than let another inmate do the deed. The mystery deepens; another instance of a child murder, this time in Dayton, Ohio just weeks before the murder in Cherokee Creek, Georgia. The only connection is Terry Maitland and the van, and possibly the strange cut that he got from a male nurse when he visited his father.

Speculation;

At this point, it seems more and more likely that someone - or something - is somehow killing these children as an impostor, taking the identities of men like Terry Maitland and the man from the nursing home, right down to their fingerprints and DNA, essentially framing them and then moving on to new victims.

Thanks, I watch each episode twice and still come away confused on certain items.

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Thanks, I watch each episode twice and still come away confused on certain items.

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I pride myself on not missing things in shows, but count me in the same boat as struggling to sort things out in this episode.

Is it Terry's dad that is in the nursing home? Whose clothes were in the barn at the beginning, and how did anyone know to go there anyways? Was that before or after the policeman that went there and had his neck attacked?

For awhile I thought I missed an episode due to my son being in the hospital all week... any help on the timeline above would be great, thanks.

The clothes were Terry's, the ones he had on in the surveillance video from the strip club. Finding those was how the previous episode ended.

It was Terry's dad in the nursing home, that was briefly mentioned previously.

Jack went there for intra agency cooperation after the clothes were found because the Terry case was theirs, but he chose to get drunk, so by the time he got there all the local police were gone.

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The clothes were Terry's, the ones he had on in the surveillance video from the strip club. Finding those was how the previous episode ended.

It was Terry's dad in the nursing home, that was briefly mentioned previously.

Jack went there for intra agency cooperation after the clothes were found because the Terry case was theirs, but he chose to get drunk, so by the time he got there all the local police were gone.

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Thanks! That must be my problem as I thought the previous episode ended with the pool of water at the foot of the bed of Terry's daughter in their house. I'm obviously doing something wrong.

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ItsA&InotA&M said:

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Thanks, I watch each episode twice and still come away confused on certain items.

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I pride myself on not missing things in shows, but count me in the same boat as struggling to sort things out in this episode.

Is it Terry's dad that is in the nursing home? Whose clothes were in the barn at the beginning, and how did anyone know to go there anyways? Was that before or after the policeman that went there and had his neck attacked?

For awhile I thought I missed an episode due to my son being in the hospital all week... any help on the timeline above would be great, thanks.

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Sorry about your son, but the show really has not been that difficult to follow, I think you are probably just distracted.

- Terry's dad is in the nursing home.
- Those were the doppelgngers clothes made obvious by the belt buckle and slime covering them
- The person that lived on the farm found the clothes and the dead pig and obviously called the police (this was the last scene of the second episode)
- The DBag cop showed up late because he was busy getting drunk at the strip club, and that was when he was attacked.

Yep, very distracted. I watched the first two episodes between vital checks and antibiotic drips of my son's... septic knee and staph infection of the femur is no joke. I need to watch all three episodes again for sure.