Felt really scripted last night. Tribal was completely worthless other than seeing condescending Jamal leaving and airhead Nora saying "no goodbye?"

I may ditch the whole thing now and no way I watch the wrap up show where this will be 45 minutes of the discussion.

Hopefully with Jamal gone it gets toned down a lot. He's the catalyst (or puppet) for those usually.

Imagine if you were Rob and Sandra?

"I signed up to "play" survivor and be a part of the game. I didn't sign up for HR seminars."

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Hopefully with Jamal gone it gets toned down a lot. He's the catalyst (or puppet) for those usually.

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He and Kellee who are now both part of the jury and have to sit there in silence.

That whole thing he pulled with the durag nonsense was ridiculous and even more pathetic was the white guy went along with it and apologized.

What happens when Dan gets voted off and sent to Ponderosa with all the girls? Do they chain him to a desk? Or is he on Grope Patrol 24/7 with all new locales like the kitchen, the shower, and the modular sectional?

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Bulldog73 said:

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Hopefully with Jamal gone it gets toned down a lot. He's the catalyst (or puppet) for those usually.

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He and Kellee who are now both part of the jury and have to sit there in silence.

That whole thing he pulled with the durag nonsense was ridiculous and even more pathetic was the white guy went along with it and apologized.

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Yeah that was asinine. Just looking to find a way to be insulted.

Kellee has an actual reason to be upset with Dan. Him stroking her hair and touching Kellee was creepy and completely uncalled for, and I'm glad he was called out about it. Dan should have completely thrown Liz under the bus, and then backed it up and did it again for what she pulled, because that is absolute horse***** She played Janet for a fool too in doing that. It's hard to separate the game from real life, but playing #metoo and lying about it is totally out of bounds, as it makes light of legitimate issues of harassment. You don't get to scream #metoo and in the same breath say this is a game.

Johnny Fairplay lied about a dead grandmother. Working other players' emotions has always been fair game.
Just because it's politically popular, should that change?

Now, if personal (physical) safety is at stake, then certainly, it warrants all the attention necessary.

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Johnny Fairplay lied about a dead grandmother. Working other players' emotions has always been fair game.
Just because it's politically popular, should that change?

Now, if personal (physical) safety is at stake, then certainly, it warrants all the attention necessary.

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It stops being "part of the game" when the producers take the unprecedented step of calling a meeting with contestants to explain what behavior is out of bounds.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/survivor-contestants-exaggerated-inappropriate-touching-win-game

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tx1c said:

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Johnny Fairplay lied about a dead grandmother. Working other players' emotions has always been fair game.
Just because it's politically popular, should that change?

Now, if personal (physical) safety is at stake, then certainly, it warrants all the attention necessary.

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It stops being "part of the game" when the producers take the unprecedented step of calling a meeting with contestants to explain what behavior is out of bounds.

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This is my biggest issue with it (other than the "Get Woke Mind Reprogramming" segment becoming a weekly thing).

There's no way Janet could have taken the allegations lightly after the producers called a meeting. It would've been like Johnny Fairplay had convinced Jeff to ride up to the island in a boat and announced his grandma died before they headed to the challenge. The accusations had unfair weight and credibility due to the producers getting involved.

The only time producers have ever intervened in a show is when one or more contestant's safety is in danger. Either calling medical, evacuating an injured contestant or the one time on Millenials vs Gen X when a hurricane hit the island and they evacuated the entire show.

Intervening based on complaints from multiple females was clearly deemed by the producers as a "safety issue".

Turning around and shrugging it off as "part of the game" is nonsense.

I'll Paypal you each $5 after the season finale if you stop using the word "woke" on this thread.

That's a fat bet. #YOLO

I thought the whole #metoo aspect was actually a good representation of what can happen in real life. Its always hard to prove. Everyone has a side. Everyone has their truth and their motivations.

The victim(s) risk not getting believed and made to feel the fool. Or risk being accused of having motivations against the accused. Or wonder if they are the only one.

The accused will just want to move on and not talk about it. And if falsely accused, their reputation can be damaged far beyond the accusation.

Some will support behind closed doors, but then back down when they feel it may harm them socially/career wise.

And then you have others like Nick, who blow it off b/c they weren't aware of it, so it clearly wasn't going on.

And someone like Janet, standing up for a victim, can have just as much, if not more, to lose than the victim themselves.

So it may have been forced, but I also think it was real for Kellee and Missy. Janet was there to protect. Liz only seemed to jump in for gameplay... she seemed to be annoyed, but not offended by Dan's touching.

I also found it interesting that Janet, in talking to Dan had to spell it out for him..."that meeting, was about you"... so I guess whatever the producers said was generic enough to not throw out any victims or accused names.

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So it may have been forced, but I also think it was real for Kellee and Missy.

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Except that Kellee initially used it as a smokescreen to blindside Missy, and Missy (and Liz) did use it as a smokescreen to blindside Kellee. The only person it was real for was Janet, and consequently Dan having to deal with the aftermath of the accusations.

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So it may have been forced, but I also think it was real for Kellee and Missy.

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Except that Kellee initially used it as a smokescreen to blindside Missy, and Missy (and Liz) did use it as a smokescreen to blindside Kellee. The only person it was real for was Janet, and consequently Dan having to deal with the aftermath of the accusations.

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It wasn't a smokescreen for Kellee. Her breaking down during the interview is what prompted the producers to intervene.

Kellee had told Dan from Day 1 she didn't like being touched. If you keep touching her after that, you clearly have a problem.

My feelings:

They signed up to play a game for $1MM. A very well established game with tons of history. 2/3 of the game is outwit and out play. You are tired, you are uncomfortable, you are hungry, and you have been separated from loved ones for quite some time. Lies and deception are woven into the game. Not just Johnny Fairplay but the former athletes who didn't want to tell their background, the young kid who didn't want to tell anyone his real age, etc.

Of course someone is going to break down and cry. It happens constantly on the solo interviews.

Was this a bit of a slippery slope, sure, but you know the producers ate it up, the only fingers to point are back at the creators and producers.

This happens in real life, women are taken advantage of, but no where near the same circumstances as this "game". It came off to me as preachy and staged to me.

There is a huge difference between Johnny Fairplay lying to gain what he thinks is an advantage, and women throwing a man into the fire over the #metoo movement. If Dan was genuinely making the women uncomfortable, then address it and/or get rid of him. But to use that under the guise of "gamesmanship" is BS. That man has a life, a wife, a family and a job to go back to and you can't un-ring that bell. Shame on Probst for not pushing the "Well, which was it" more.

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CliffHogg said:

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For those in the Houston area, I and Carl the Godfather (Survivor Season 37) will be hosting a Survivor watch party tomorrow night from 6:30 - 9:00 at Pub Fiction. Karishma Patel from this season will be joining us as a special guest.
We have a private room set aside and all are welcome to attend. No charge to attend. Just a chance to watch the show and talk Big Brother and Survivor.

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Thanks for the invite. My 13yo Survivor addict (we binge-watched every season from 1 to current in less than a year about a year ago) would have loved to go... can't make it though. But thanks for info. Maybe post something afterwards about it.

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Had a blast meeting everyone. Probably had 50-60 people attending. Quite the episode to watch in a group! I think Karishma was quite happy that she wasn't part of the controversy that occurred!

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Tabasco said:

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CliffHogg said:

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For those in the Houston area, I and Carl the Godfather (Survivor Season 37) will be hosting a Survivor watch party tomorrow night from 6:30 - 9:00 at Pub Fiction. Karishma Patel from this season will be joining us as a special guest.
We have a private room set aside and all are welcome to attend. No charge to attend. Just a chance to watch the show and talk Big Brother and Survivor.

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Thanks for the invite. My 13yo Survivor addict (we binge-watched every season from 1 to current in less than a year about a year ago) would have loved to go... can't make it though. But thanks for info. Maybe post something afterwards about it.

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Had a blast meeting everyone. Probably had 50-60 people attending. Quite the episode to watch in a group! I think Karishma was quite happy that she wasn't part of the controversy that occurred!

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Did she say beforehand that she thought the episodes might be controversial?

Missy and Liz should be ashamed and embarrassed. CBS should have definitely shown that in a worse light. It is appalling that aspect was glossed over.

They both stated to other people that they had a problem with Dan and they both sat at Dans feet and laughed it off. I understand being uncomfortable saying you have a problem with someone, I get that has to be incredibly difficult. Accusing someone of making you uncomfortable as an edge just casts doubt on everyone else struggling to make that claim. If you like Dan as a person, then you stabbed a friend in the back and ruined his name, if you did have an actual problem with him then you crapped all over Janet and sullied her name.

Those two are lower than scum in my book. That is not gamesmanship, that is bullship.

And F CBS for letting them skate through that episode with no culpability.

Janet was not wrong for not calling them out, but I dang sure would have. If they are gonna use that as a game move then I am going to point my finger at them in front of everyone and tell them that those two are willing to ruin someone's reputation and cast doubt on any previous or future sexual assault victim just to get Kellee out.

Dan is trash.
Elizabeth is trash.
Missy is trash.
Janet is the hero we all need.

I think I've had enough of being lectured. Ready to move on after three or four hours worth. But I guess they have to fill the air with something since island of the idols has been almost a total nonfactor.

Unreal. Missy at tribal brings up that Jeff didn't acknowledge two African Americans wearing the immunity necklaces last week. Jeff of course doesn't defend himself but claims "I'm learning too". She Started citing that women and minorities are voted out the most or some such. Looks to me like she used race as a means to guilt people into not voting for her.

Didn't work as she got voted out.

I said just before tribal that they will bring politics, virtue signaling, etc to make it three episodes in a row. Did not disappoint.

Telling Jeff how to do his job

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Telling Jeff how to do his job

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I liked his answer of something like "It actually didn't even enter my mind... Like why would you not expect that or be surprised by that" /i.e. why the low self-esteem and selling yourself short, wanting a pat on the back for two of the most competitive/athletic pair wining immunity, but you need extra props for being black??


... but had to end with something like "thank you for bringing that up and educating me."/not a direct quote, but that is how I interpreted it.

Nicaragua is often cited as being the worst season. I Told my 13yo daughter this might surpass it. Nicaragua had an unlikable cast and a dumb goat that won. This has the same, might have a goat win, plus it is now "Island of The Identity Politics" three episodes running.

But now who will Elizabeth get her marching orders from?

This is almost more of a Big Brother cast. Minus the pretty people.

If there's any consolation to all this, getting woke = getting snuffed.

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But now who will Elizabeth get her marching orders from?

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Exactly. Asking airhead to crush Elaine slowly might as well be asking the sun to rise in the west.

Honest question for y'all.

Are you really enjoying this anymore or just hanging in out of tradition/habit?

My wife and I started watching S1 in 2000 right after we got married. We watched every season religiously since until the season this last spring. We completely lost interest halfway through. We tried this season and pretty much decided the other day to scrap it after Ep2. It just piles up on the DVR now.

I can't place my finger on what changed or if it just other streaming option we find more interest in. Or maybe nearly two decades of fatigue set in. I could recognize most of the winners or serious players from the first ten years but probably very few in the last 8-9.

Genuinely curious.