Black Panther was the 3rd best Marvel superhero film in 2018.

5th best if you include Deadpool 2, Spiderverse and Venom.

I'd say still 3rd best.

Infinity War
Spiderverse
BP

AgMarauder04 said:

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I'd say still 3rd best.

Infinity War
Spiderverse
BP

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IW
Spiderverse
DP2
A&W
BP
Venom

Black Panther was way better than Venom and about on par with Ant-Man and Wasp.

Bobcat06 said:

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Black Panther was the 3rd best Marvel superhero film in 2018.

5th best if you include Deadpool 2, Spiderverse and Venom.

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K... You can say what you're implying.

Black Panther was an average superhero film and that it's a shame that the Academy nominated it as Best Picture but snubbed The Dark Knight (the best film of the 2000s).

I gave BP 3 out of 5 mehs. Only redeeming quality was the villain arc.

Bruce Almighty said:

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Black Panther was way better than Venom and about on par with Ant-Man and Wasp.

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That's where I put it on my ranking. Better than Venom and almost as good as A&W

Will never watch that movie. I'll put up with the character in any Avengers movie but never a stand alone movie.

Can this be the last time we discuss this? Finally?

It was a midrate marvel character movie. It's "greatness" was fueled by the manufactured zeitgeist.

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Can this be the last time we discuss this? Finally?

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Probably not.

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Bobcat06 said:

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Black Panther was the 3rd best Marvel superhero film in 2018.

5th best if you include Deadpool 2, Spiderverse and Venom.

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K... You can say what you're implying.

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That BP, while good, was not as good as other comic book super hero movies if 2018?

Because that's true.

Why don't you say what YOU are implying?

You are completely missing the point of the Academy Awards.

Black Panther was absolution the best ever Social Justice superhero movie ever. That is really what is important.

While it's far from my favorite Marvel movie, I'm not going to complain about it getting an Oscar nomination. At least it's an enjoyable movie a lot of people saw and enjoyed. Lately the nominations go to movies only about seven people saw, and most didn't even like.

I'm glad most of us are on the same page.

#OscarsSoWhite

I really liked Black Panther. I'm usually not one to see Marvel movies, but I saw this one because of the hype. I have no issue with it getting a nomination. The Academy is damned if they do and damned if they don't. Folks have complained for years that these types of movies never get nominated. Then one gets nominated and people complain about that too.

Think they would have been just fine for the other 2 it DID get nominated for.

In the 1990s, the Oscars were must watch TV with Best Picture going to mainstream blockbusters like Forrest Gump and Braveheart. However, the Oscars focus on awarding small independent films and snubbing blockbusters has lead to it's increasing irrelevance that they have become a non-event prompting the question "Oh, were the Oscars on tonight?"

For the last 20 years, the superhero genre has taken over Hollywood and literally changed how the industry operates. Legendary film series like Star Wars and Godzilla are now emulating Marvel's cinematic universe. Regardless, the Academy has continued to snub superhero films regardless of their quality.

This year, the Academy finally broke its trend and nominated a superhero film.

What criteria did it use to select a superhero film worthy of such prestigious award?
Was it based on superb acting and a rich plot, like The Dark Knight?
Was it based on a the end of a character which defined the genre like Logan?
Was it based on a culmination of decades worth of 20 films which changed the film industry, like Infinity War?
No, it was based on Jada Pinkett Smith guilt shaming the Academy #OscarSoWhite and the ensuing knee jerk reaction of becoming #OscarSoWoke.

I'm upset that a professional society doesn't award quality but instead will buckling under public pressure from Mrs Will Smith because they didn't award Mr Will Smith for bad acting in a film about how football is evil.

I have this crazy notion that Best Picture should be awarded to the best film of the year, and not a means for Hollywood to virtue signal and appease their white guilt by demonstrating the soft bigotry of lowered expectations.

As long as the later persists, the average person will continue to yawn and ask "Oh, were the Oscars tonight?"

So what do you think the best movie of the 2018 was and how do you arrive at that decision? What metrics do you use?



I thought Infinity Wars was good but not a best picture film. As a stand alone movie it was a little above average. If you take into consideration that it builds off of all the previous films, then yes maybe that elevates it to a nomination. But if you do that, then you have to consider it along with every other movie as a body of work and not a single film. That's not a good way to pick a best picture IMO. Infinity Wars had average acting, great visuals, but that's about it. Plot wise it kind of sucked. It was all over the place because it was trying to bring together so many characters and stories to a single point. In the end it was a two and half hour introduction/trailer for Infinity Wars 2.

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It was a midrate marvel character movie. It's "greatness" was fueled by the manufactured zeitgeist.

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Just say "it's popular because black people" next time, we'll get it either way.

All marvel movies swing towards mid rate anyway, it's a product of the cookie cutter Feige formula.

When I read the Op I just got this mental image of a sophomore at West Virginia lobbing a lit 16 oz plastic Mountain Dew bottle of diesel in an open dumpster in an alley in Morgantown, and running away laughing.

People need to stop getting so upset at the Oscars and what they pick for winners.

It is not (was never) about what the majority of America likes.

And with the political culture of today, along with the social media culture, the elite of Hollywood is going to push what they consider is the current hot topic.

In case you don't know, the people voting for the Oscars are all insider Hollywood people.
and every insider Hollywood person is going to be on the far-left of politics. And they are definitely not going to be very educated in terms of the "real-world". They all live in their little bubble that is a huge echo-chamber.

So, watching the Oscars and getting mad at who they pick to win or what movies get nominated, is akin to the old story where a girl sees a snake freezing in the snow, feels pity for it and picks it up and is stunned when it bites her. "You knew it was a snake when you picked it up".

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It is made up of 8,000 members "accomplished men and women working in cinema" according to the Academy's website who vote for the awards.
The names of Academy members are a closely guarded secret but they are all film industry professionals, ranging from actors, directors and writers to producers and executives, and anyone nominated for or awarded an Oscar gets instant admission.

In recent years, efforts have been made to overhaul the membership and make it more diverse.
According to a 2014 survey conducted by the Los Angeles Times, 76% of voters were men, 94% of them were white and they were on average 63 years old.

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BP was a solid Marvel film. Great characters, excellent cast, and a unique setting.

I think it absolutely deserved the nomination and award for visuals. Absolutely stunning. They managed to take fantasy and make it look like a real place.

I don't think it deserved the nomination for best picture. That's where the hype got the better of it, IMO.

Man said VENOM

OP trolling hard putting venom above anything

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In the 1990s, the Oscars were must watch TV with Best Picture going to mainstream blockbusters like Forrest Gump and Braveheart. However, the Oscars focus on awarding small independent films and snubbing blockbusters has lead to it's increasing irrelevance that they have become a non-event prompting the question "Oh, were the Oscars on tonight?"

For the last 20 years, the superhero genre has taken over Hollywood and literally changed how the industry operates. Legendary film series like Star Wars and Godzilla are now emulating Marvel's cinematic universe. Regardless, the Academy has continued to snub superhero films regardless of their quality.

This year, the Academy finally broke its trend and nominated a superhero film.

What criteria did it use to select a superhero film worthy of such prestigious award?
Was it based on superb acting and a rich plot, like The Dark Knight?
Was it based on a the end of a character which defined the genre like Logan?
Was it based on a culmination of decades worth of 20 films which changed the film industry, like Infinity War?
No, it was based on Jada Pinkett Smith guilt shaming the Academy #OscarSoWhite and the ensuing knee jerk reaction of becoming #OscarSoWoke.

I'm upset that a professional society doesn't award quality but instead will buckling under public pressure from Mrs Will Smith because they didn't award Mr Will Smith for bad acting in a film about how football is evil.

I have this crazy notion that Best Picture should be awarded to the best film of the year, and not a means for Hollywood to virtue signal and appease their white guilt by demonstrating the soft bigotry of lowered expectations.

As long as the later persists, the average person will continue to yawn and ask "Oh, were the Oscars tonight?"

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Looks like someone here is trying for an Oscar.

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It is not (was never) about what the majority of America likes.

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Truth.

I was too young to really understand why such a universally loved movie such as Star Wars was not named Best Picture, but some Woody Allen movie, Annie Hall, was. I was a bit older when Chariots of Fire upended Raiders of the Lost Ark, and I recall my mom telling me Steven Spielberg wasn't screwing the right people, and a light-bulb went on.

Nevertheless, I used to genuinely enjoy watching all these award shows up until the very early 1990s, when presenters and winners got so *************** political about things that I was either ambivalent about or outright disagreed with. Now I recognize these award shows as little more than a huge circle jerk with myriad opportunities to take pot shots at people they don't like (which would likely include me). Have not watched a single minute of any of these shows since probably 1998.

I don't think I have ever seen a Marvel movie prior to Black Panther. It was definitely one of my top 5 movie experiences this year, so I don't see a problem with it being nominated for best picture. I didn't think there were any particularly "great" movies this year.

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I don't think I have ever seen a Marvel movie prior to Black Panther.

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How is this even possible? I mean no Spiderman, X-Men, Iron Man, Hulk, Guardians of the Galaxy, Daredevil, Captain America...crap even Blade, ever?

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TXCityAggie said:

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I don't think I have ever seen a Marvel movie prior to Black Panther.

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How is this even possible? I mean no Spiderman, X-Men, Iron Man, Hulk, Guardians of the Galaxy, Daredevil, Captain America...crap even Blade, ever?

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It just doesn't interest me. I saw Black Panther because everyone was talking about it and, at the time, I was living in Cambodia. It was the only movie available.

I just didn't know it was possible to miss Spider-Man, Blade, or the X-Men back in the day. That's all there was.

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spanky said:

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TXCityAggie said:

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I don't think I have ever seen a Marvel movie prior to Black Panther.

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How is this even possible? I mean no Spiderman, X-Men, Iron Man, Hulk, Guardians of the Galaxy, Daredevil, Captain America...crap even Blade, ever?

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It just doesn't interest me. I saw Black Panther because everyone was talking about it and, at the time, I was living in Cambodia. It was the only movie available.

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You can't question the Mouse anywhere, it seems.

Marvel movies are enjoyable but they are mediocre. Some break ground - Deadpool was juvenile in humour but it was an R-rated, fourth wall breaking superhero comedy which felt unique, and Infinity War was one of the most ambitious crossover events of all time - but most feel very cookie cutter.

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So what do you think the best movie of the 2018 was and how do you arrive at that decision? What metrics do you use?



I thought Infinity Wars was good but not a best picture film. As a stand alone movie it was a little above average. If you take into consideration that it builds off of all the previous films, then yes maybe that elevates it to a nomination. But if you do that, then you have to consider it along with every other movie as a body of work and not a single film. That's not a good way to pick a best picture IMO. Infinity Wars had average acting, great visuals, but that's about it. Plot wise it kind of sucked. It was all over the place because it was trying to bring together so many characters and stories to a single point. In the end it was a two and half hour introduction/trailer for Infinity Wars 2.

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I was out of the country and missed several movies last year, but the best movie I saw last year was Ballad of Buster Scruggs. I base that on how it handled the thematics of death, wide tonal variety, acting and costume/set design.

I mentioned nominating Infinity War because:
1. It was the best superhero film last year (better than BP)
2. It would be a recognition of cumulative effort (similar to Return of the King or John Wayne in True Grit)