I am still mildly annoyed that no one brought up the break in at the funeral home. He had to know that they were looking for something.

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I am still mildly annoyed that no one brought up the break in at the funeral home. He had to know that they were looking for something.

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He may not know anyone has been in there yet. They moved the money before that and those are the extra coffins they bought to both launder some money and to hide the money in.

I finished season 2 last night. It was pretty good. My problem is that I don't particularly care for any of the characters. If Bateman or Linney were to die, I wouldn't be that upset. The emancipated daughter is annoying as hell, and the son is too smart to take seriously. I'm not really routing for anybody. I'm sorta just watching things happen and saying "okay".

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Duncan Idaho said:

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I don't get why the cartel didn't make Marty sign a non compete to make sure he doesn't leave and go out in his own.

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because a threat of a bullet in the head is the best non compete clause in the history of forever

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What he is trying to do is mock a suggestion I made on another thread that involved tricking somebody into keeping a construction project secret by making them think they are working on a classified government project.

Part of the trick was to have them sign an NDA-like document that government makes contractors sign every day. For some reason, many people are unable to understand the fact that I never meant or implied that drug dealers, cartels, etc. would take any loud mouth to court. It was always nothing more than a trick to make it look official.

Really enjoyed the show through 2 seasons. Thought it was a great watch and all actors played their part really well. With that being said, I'm not sure I could be as tuned in for a 3rd season. At some point, a plot like this runs its course and you've kind of seen it all after a certain number of episodes.

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Really enjoyed the show through 2 seasons. Thought it was a great watch and all actors played their part really well. With that being said, I'm not sure I could be as tuned in for a 3rd season. At some point, a plot like this runs its course and you've kind of seen it all after a certain number of episodes.

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I completely agree with this. I could see this show going on for awhile but being like weeds where its all downhill after 2 or 3 seasons. Its too much of a hot burn for it to last for a long time

finally finished season 2...

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tmaggie50 said:

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Really enjoyed the show through 2 seasons. Thought it was a great watch and all actors played their part really well. With that being said, I'm not sure I could be as tuned in for a 3rd season. At some point, a plot like this runs its course and you've kind of seen it all after a certain number of episodes.

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I completely agree with this. I could see this show going on for awhile but being like weeds where its all downhill after 2 or 3 seasons. Its too much of a hot burn for it to last for a long time

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I'd like to see 2 more seasons. I'd like to get a season of them running the casino and dealing with the KC mob, cartel vs mob could be great fun. Marty getting a casino built for a cartel puts the mob against more than just Marty, so many directions they could go. Season 4 I'd like to see them put it together to leave town for good as the wheels start to come off and everything unravels.

I would dig that. Anything more than two more seasons would be overkill.

tmaggie50 said:

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Really enjoyed the show through 2 seasons. Thought it was a great watch and all actors played their part really well. With that being said, I'm not sure I could be as tuned in for a 3rd season. At some point, a plot like this runs its course and you've kind of seen it all after a certain number of episodes.

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Breaking Bad disagrees with you. I just hope this show can finish as strong.

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chipotle said:

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Duncan Idaho said:

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I don't get why the cartel didn't make Marty sign a non compete to make sure he doesn't leave and go out in his own.

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because a threat of a bullet in the head is the best non compete clause in the history of forever

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No. You don't understand. A non-compete would allow them to legally enforce him from not working somewhere else coulple it with an NDA and you have an airtight criminal Enterprise immune from the risk of moles

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tmaggie50 said:

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Really enjoyed the show through 2 seasons. Thought it was a great watch and all actors played their part really well. With that being said, I'm not sure I could be as tuned in for a 3rd season. At some point, a plot like this runs its course and you've kind of seen it all after a certain number of episodes.

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Breaking Bad disagrees with you. I just hope this show can finish as strong.

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Breaking bad didn't move anywhere near at the pace that this show does. Also I enjoy Ozark but Breaking Bad is legit a top 5 all time show for me. Ozark is nowhere near that level. It's a lot to ask of a show, even a good one, to achieve that level.

Even Jason Bateman himself said that Breaking Bad cannot be touched. That if Ozark gets halfway there, then they would have achieved a lot.

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Welp, just finished up season 2 last night and caught up on the thread. Lots of thoughts. Off the top it's a good show, not a great show. It's nowhere near the BB level, but that's not a knock against it. I thoroughly enjoyed it and look forward to season 3.

Are we past the spoiler point? If not let me know and I'll edit and hide the below:

Extremely satisfied with the way they used Wendy's turn to also wrap up the Cade character. However, if that was the way he was going to go, why build the suspense of the FBI agent murder and Cade's bundled cover up.

While the FBI agent was my least favorite character in the show, Cade somewhat randomly confronting him and losing his cool and beating him to death was an underwhelming way to get rid of that character.

While Ruth was a bit less central this season, the scene where she confessed to Wyatt was great.

I wished they taken the daughter wanting to emancipate herself storyline and converted that screen time to develop the Kansas City Mafia, as it stands that character is a pretty generic midwest bad guy. It looks like season 3 will be KCM vs. Cartel/Byrde's w/ Darlene causing issues once Wendy gets that kid back. I wish I knew more about them going into season 3.

I don't like the fact that Jacob is died because I liked the character so much, but I thought the Jacob/Darlene plot line was great.

Was the kidnapping and Mason's death the catalyst for Wendy and Marty's role swap? Seems that was the key incident that causes their divergence.

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Agree with all of your comments. The daughters role was overplayed in this season and I don't really care for her character.

The FBI agent was my least favorite as it seems liked the typical "let's force a gay person into this show" situation.

Jacob was a boss and I really liked his character. I'm growing a little tired of Darlene but she does still produce some reaction for me as I cringe thinking about her with a kid.

I do have a retired federal agent friend who refers to the FBI as a bunch of c**ksuckers. He's also a fan of the show.

Wendy going dark really turned me off a bit. I liked the fact that they were working on a way out.

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Wendy going dark really turned me off a bit. I liked the fact that they were working on a way out.

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Wendy was always in Marty's shadow, though. That was part of her motivation to have the affair, as well as getting a job with Sam's realty business. When Helen praised her, you could see Wendy thinking "wait a minute, I might have a future with the cartel, I'm good at this". Totally believable turn at that point.

Finally had time to burn through this season in the last couple days. I thought it was great. Had some dark, disturbing scenes, twists and turns, tense scenes, captivating storylines. Thought it was awesome.

My take on some of the reoccuring themes here...

• Yeah Charlotte is a drag but that's her character. She's a rebellious teenager. They're drags. I kinda see her and Jonah a sort of check to Marty and Wendy that their actions are finally starting to hit home.
• Kinda the same with Ruth. That stretch in the middle where she was being tortured I got a real BB feel in that Marty's choices were affecting everyone else but him. Seemed liek everyone around him was catching the brunt of his actions but him.
• Darlene is one unhinged BSC woman. Yeah I would've liked her to die instead of Jacob, but I think her and her story line were essential in keeping an antagonist in the casino plot. Jacob was on board, the Cartel was relatively relaxed, Wilkes was corralled, Cade and Petty were gone. She was kinda this last holdover of this season to transition into next season.
• Same with Mason. The baby and that story line were needed in the plot as Darlene's leverage.
• And the unbelievable plot lines...Pretty typical for a fictional show.

I really like this show and like where it's going. One thing I like is how the capture the grittiness of certain characters especially the Langmores and the Snells. The camera work, the scenery, the accents, dialogue and acting all come together nicely to capture these characters really well.

I'm glad that Giphy is on top of the Ruth face.

#LangmoringSoHard

I just finished it tonight and thought of all the episodes in both seasons, the one showing the back story of how they decided to finally work for the cartel was the best.

I agree with most of you on here with your beefs. True, it's like everybody in the whole town knows that the Byrdes are laundering money for the cartel and they don't hide it. I also didn't like Mason and I don't care much for Charlotte.

However, being a Christian, I think there are a couple of really salient lessons and possible reasons why Mason and Charlotte are the way they are.

-I like the way they depicted Del wining and dining Marty and giving them the vacation to convince him to come work for the cartel. It was a very collegial atmosphere until the moment Marty said yes, and then the door is slammed shut and the old accountant was killed on the spot with his eyes gouged out. Sin is often like that, it lures us in and then once we commit, it slams shut on us and we can't find a way out. Except by...

-Repentance. And repentance is absolutely impossible for the Byrdes. The cartel will never let them go. Sin never gets tired of holding on. And the more and more ways you try other things to plot and scheme to get out of it, the deeper you get and the more sin you fall into. It is impossible for them to repent because they are too concerned with holding onto their lives. As Jesus said, "Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it."

As long as the Byrdes keep trying to stay alive, they will continue to be in the crap. They provide a character to get them out of their bind...Mason Young...who can teach them true repentance, but instead they see him as a tool to use in their scheme to free themselves and they end up killing him, his wife is killed and now they've given away his son as a ransom for their own children's lives. Mason was willing to lose his life for Jesus' sake but ended up going nuts because the Byrdes insisted on helping him rather then leaving him alone and pursuing repentance in his own way.

Which leads me to Charlotte. She's pursuing her own idea of repentance...she's following Jesus by hating her own mother, father and brother. She's finally wanting out at whatever the cost. Yes, she's naive and doesn't understand the costs...but here's hoping she finds the cost "worth it." I was struck by a comment that Marty made in the second to last episode, "She's right, this whole damn family is a bunch of criminals."

For what it's worth, I think that Season 3 is leading us to think that Wendy is about to become a Darlene, but I *think* what is happening is that when the attorney came to the house and said that they had been monitoring Marty's computer and phone, they knew about his plan to flee after the ceremony and so Wendy has to play along because they are all gonna get killed. So she's acting as if she's going to do it all and I believe that Wendy will play it out and figure out a way to escape at the last minute that finally allows them to find redemption on their own terms. (It will not be a Biblical lesson resolution.) Just my thoughts.

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Nitpicks:

• Charlotte is a terrible, one dimensional character. Hope she runs away with Wyatt to Mizzou forever.
• The head of the cartel must have been asleep in business class during the "sunk cost" class. You cut your losses and move on when the bull**** endangers the whole company.
• Agreed, Darlene is too unstable.
• Does the cartel hire its gunmen from the Imperial Academy? They fired hundreds of rounds into a stationary, unarmored sedan and only Jacob got shot? Once? In the shoulder?

Still a great show, though.

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I immediately thought this as well...... Really really unrealistic. How in the hell did the driver survive as well