That question did affect him, so it could definitely be the reason. Dany's sees her claim to be legitimate rather than whose the better ruler so it will be interesting to see what she decides since Jon has the best claim now. Jon really just wants to live/fight for the living, which adds an extra irony. The man with the best claim to the throne also does not care about it the least of all the GoT players.wangus12 said:
What if the reason Jon didn't say anything about whether he wanted the throne or not is because he wants to see Dany's reaction.
As Sam questioned in Ep1, "You gave up your crown. Would she do the same?"
Would she stand in the way of who is the rightful heir or is she truly power hungry
Yep. But all of these discussions are essentially pointless. Oaths, lineage, who has the better claim, etc, all of it is out the window. Even the machinations about Jon now that Dany knows he is Rhaegar's son. It's pointless. Dany has the better claim because her army says so. Period.Furlock Bones said:the point is he ended his watch and fulfilled his oath by dying. in his resurrection, he is free to do as he wants.TPS_Report said:
Questions: Did Jon relinquish all family claims when he took the Oath of the Night's Watch? Did that oath survive his death and resurrection?
Not to mention, the Night's Watch is pretty much useless/non-existent now.wangus12 said:Its been widely regarded that nobody cares since he was murderedTPS_Report said:
Questions: Did Jon relinquish all family claims when he took the Oath of the Night's Watch? Did that oath survive his death and resurrection?
there are strong theories out there if you want to have an idea. but, won't be posting in any potential spoilers.Urban Ag said:Furlock Bones said:the point is he ended his watch and fulfilled his oath by dying. in his resurrection, he is free to do as he wants.TPS_Report said:
Questions: Did Jon relinquish all family claims when he took the Oath of the Night's Watch? Did that oath survive his death and resurrection?
And where is Mel? We know she is in this season and this is her hour.
Mel will show up in the King's Landing episodes. I regardless of what happens in winterfell I think Arya is going to go on a murder spree with her being one of the victims. Mel did say, "we'll meet again" when she saw the eyes Arya shuts forever and Arya hasn't seen her since so she has to survive the north or else they left a blatant plot hole/obvious foreshadow.Quote:
And where is Mel? We know she is in this season and this is her hour.
Yes, in reality someone else in Dorne would step up, and they would be a major factor in the story (they still potentially are in the books). The show made it clear that Dorne would not be a major part of their story. If I had to guess, the ONLY reason it was even in the show was because of the Viper vs. the Mountain. They didn't even need Dorne's ships to bring Dany to Westeros since they could have given her a bunch of ships some other way.FIDO95 said:redline248 said:
Yep, but who is leading Dorne, now? How did they react to having their previous leader ambushed on the high seas and given to Cersei? I think the show basically used that as a way to stop putting any effort into Dorne. In reality, that's a big pita Cersei would have to deal with.
House Tarly, gone. House Tyrell, gone. House Frey, gone. House Baratheon, gone (not counting bast@rds). Dorne/Martell is just another spoke of the wheel that is falling apart. Doesn't really matter. Curious to see what arises in the Spring.
Dan 07 said:So they spent 10 years developing these characters and stories only to see them steamrolled at the end by an undead army of ice zombies? From a storytelling perspective I don't see it.JABQ04 said:PatAg said:You mean the character that was defeated by a former prisoner of his? A character we are intended to root for to win?JABQ04 said:
I still maintain the NK wins it all. To quote Ramsay, "If you thinks this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention."
I guess I'm missing your point. I'm saying the NK wins. I threw in the Ramsay quote because I felt it sums up this entire situation. Good guys gonna get steamrolled here.
gigemJTH12 said:
No way Sam learns how to raise dead and does it that fast.
I don't think Tyrion makes it to the crypt.
if the NK doesn't actually go to Winterfell, the real battle with the NK could be in KL.Urban Ag said:
Good point about Mel telling Arya they would meet again. But what's your thought process on Mel not showing up until KL? Mel's entire purpose in the books/series was to see AA rise to power (first Stannis, then Jon) so as to unite the realm against the coming real war (the WW's). Why would she remain absent until KL?
In the absence of the prophecy/AA/Lightbringer, I could see this making sense as maybe the writers have just abandoned that entire part of the story and they close Mel's arc with Arya later in the season.
Urban Ag said:
Good point about Mel telling Arya they would meet again. But what's your thought process on Mel not showing up until KL? Mel's entire purpose in the books/series was to see AA rise to power (first Stannis, then Jon) so as to unite the realm against the coming real war (the WW's). Why would she remain absent until KL?
In the absence of the prophecy/AA/Lightbringer, I could see this making sense as maybe the writers have just abandoned that entire part of the story and they close Mel's arc with Arya later in the season.
think a lot of people believe the same given that the show has made the direwolves mostly irrelevant for whatever reason.Stive said:
Man....I just went back and watched the season 8 preview: the terror on Arya's face as she's running from whatever is chasing her.... They also show a scene of her using the stick which looked cool.
And Pod is a goner. They show him on the battlefield beside Brienne, and I'm betting he gives his life for her in some way.
Regarding the Direwolves, I don't think Ghost makes it out of the fight. I'm guessing he goes down like Summer did defending his master, buying Jon some time, etc.
Jon sent her away and told here to ride south, and if she ever returned to Winterfell he would have her hanged. So I really doubt she would show up in Winterfell.Urban Ag said:
But what's your thought process on Mel not showing up until KL?
Book stuff.mazag08 said:
I'm sorry, what is this Azor Ahai that I keep seeing mentioned?
in the show they refer to it as "The Prince that was Promised" (or Princess).Joseph Parrish said:Book stuff.mazag08 said:
I'm sorry, what is this Azor Ahai that I keep seeing mentioned?
sure but we have an entire cast at Winterfell right now that killed each other's family and friends and somehow they seem to be making it work. Plus Mel knows her days are numbered. I don't think she's staying away because she fears the noose.boy09 said:Jon sent her away and told here to ride south, and if she ever returned to Winterfell he would have her hanged. So I really doubt she would show up in Winterfell.Urban Ag said:
But what's your thought process on Mel not showing up until KL?
bonfarr said:
SIAP but my theory on the battle against the Night King is that the Starks buried in the crypts below Winterfell are going to reanimate and battle the wights and the white walkers.
The books spend alot of time discussing the crypts and it is of huge importance to Martin. The dead are buried with an iron sword over their chests and it has been discussed that white walkers hate iron. In Season 2 they made a huge deal about Ned Stark's remains being returned so he could be buried in the crypts.
It has been set up with Tyrion and Sam hiding out in the crypts during the battle, the two of them are going to find out the secret of bringing the dead back to fight in one of the books Sam stole from the Citadel.
I see this playing out like the dead army that fought for the good guys in Lord of the Rings trilogy. Dead Ned is going to rise up and lead 30 generations of Starks in an epic battle.
This. One more lurid scene please. Eye candy.Urban Ag said:
Well, regardless of what happens to Mel I just want to see her and her amazing cans again. Just one more time please.
