I agree with MC Swag, I assume it was well known that Ramsey married Sansa, therefore implying the Tyrion wedding was never consummated. Sure, the whole world doesn't know, but enough people knew about Ramsey's marriage to Sansa to agree that the Tyrion marriage thing was old news and never official.

Besides, LF clearly has intentions of marrying Sansa, so he's pretty confident she is available in the eyes of the noble families.

I actually think it would be really cool if Sansa and Tyrion ended up together. Sansa has had so many suitors who's only intentions are to run the world and cause mayhem. It would be nice to see her end up with a nice guy afterall. But from Tyrion's perspective, he'd probably rather be her uncle than her husband. He still thinks of her as a child and would still feel bad "consummating" the wedding.

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I've provided textual evidence that directly states 'Sansa is legally bound to no man."

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Ahem, a quote from Littlefinger that is reinforcing an idea that is advantageous to him? I completely agree that your quote is textually supported in the show; I'm just not convinced that Littlefinger is the know-all authority of the legality of marriage in Westeros; Especially since no one expected Tryrion to ride back into town on the figurative back of a dragon.

I actually bring up the Sansa-Tyrion marriage not to make things complicated but because it could make them simpler, plot-wise. They like and respect each other, and both are smart enough to see the political advantages that alliance could bring. It's not totally crazy that they could decide to make it a real marriage at some point.

Functionally, (and good for the writers) there is no authority with any say so. There is no King, there is no Church even. Whoever wins can say the rules are or rewrite events to be whatever they want them to be.

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I've provided textual evidence that directly states 'Sansa is legally bound to no man."

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Ahem, a quote from Littlefinger that is reinforcing an idea that is advantageous to him? I completely agree that your quote is textually supported in the show; I'm just not convinced that Littlefinger is the know-all authority of the legality of marriage in Westeros; Especially since no one expected Tryrion to ride back into town on the figurative back of a dragon.

I actually bring up the Sansa-Tyrion marriage not to make things complicated but because it could make them simpler, plot-wise. They like and respect each other, and both are smart enough to see the political advantages that alliance could bring. It's not totally crazy that they could decide to make it a real marriage at some point.

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lol I don't think LF could sell BS marriage law to Roose Bolton (especially a law as crucial to forging a valid marriage as consummation), nor do I think the show writers crafted that dialogue to trick the viewer into believing a false narrative. (Talk about complicating a plot).

And again...I can't think of a single practical benefit for accepting that convoluted premise to support why Tyrion and Sansa will get together. It's unnecessary. They respect each other...why isn't that enough to form an alliance? See what I'm sayin?

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Not sure what all the consternation over Sansa's marital status is all about. I mean really, who's going to enforce it?

Sansa: Jon, am I still married to Tyrion?

Jon: No

Sansa: Well there you have it folks, The King in the Norf says I'm single. Deal with it.

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^Or that works too. It's a moot point either way.

I would love to see Tyrion and Sansa reunite and her call him husband. Maybe after Ramsey she can appreciate what a good man Tyrion is.

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Azor Ahai, do I hate the offseason.

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Clever

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Javelina said:

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Azor Ahai, do I hate the offseason.

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Clever

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Wouldn't it be Rhllor

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I was going for Jesus Christ instead of god.

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OH!!!!!!

If HBO is planning on doing Roberts rebellion, we will never see this footage which was shot with s1

Can you explain what that is? The picture is small.

That's Brandon Stark (older brother of Ned) choking himself to death while trying to reach his father, who the Mad King is burning alive in the throne room.

It's what kicks off Robert's Rebellion.

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That's Brandon Stark (older brother of Ned) choking himself to death while trying to reach his father, who the Mad King is burning alive in the throne room.

It's what kicks off Robert's Rebellion.

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Small correction here. Rhaegar's kidnapping/elopement with Lyanna is the root cause of the rebellion - all the rest of the conflict from Robert's rebellion stemmed from that and from the way that everyone handled (the the Mad King mishandled) that. But burning the Starks alive guaranteed war with the North. And the Mad King insisting that Ned also come to Kings Landing assured that the Vale and the Stormlands (if Robert needed another pretext) would also rise. I can't remember if the Riverlands were with or against the Mad King. I think the rest were for him, until the Lannisters turned against him in the end.

The Riverlands were with Robert, as Catelyn Tully married Ned Stark to strengthen the alliance with the North (and Robert) - I think. I didn't read the books.

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The Riverlands were with Robert, as Catelyn Tully married Ned Stark to strengthen the alliance with the North (and Robert) - I think. I didn't read the books.

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You're right. Catelyn was originally supposed to marry Brandon Stark. But after he was burned alive ended up marrying Eddard (Ned) Stark.

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The Riverlands were with Robert, as Catelyn Tully married Ned Stark to strengthen the alliance with the North (and Robert) - I think. I didn't read the books.

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You're right. Catelyn was originally supposed to marry Brandon Stark. But after he was burned alive ended up marrying Eddard (Ned) Stark.

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Except Walder Frey of the Twins, hence why he was referred to as "The Late" Walder Frey. He declared for Robert when it was obvious Robert would win the war.

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That's Brandon Stark (older brother of Ned) choking himself to death while trying to reach his father, who the Mad King is burning alive in the throne room.

It's what kicks off Robert's Rebellion.

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Doesn't Rickard choke himself trying to reach Brandon? I thought Brandon baked in his armor?

Nope. Rickard roasted while Brandon strangled himself trying to reach his sword to cut them both free

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Which means Jon's grandfather killed his other grandfather

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Yep

Oh wow, never made that connection.

Some serious family drama for ol' Jon-o.

No kidding. I wonder how long it will take for Jon to find out he is a Targaryen. Since he's going to see Dany next episode that should add some interest to their dynamic.

On one hand you have the romantic side, they could spark a relationship/marriage? and then find out they're aunt and nephew. That could be weird, or they could embrace it.

And the other hand is the power side. If they find out Jon's parentage, he could have a better claim to the throne than Danerys (could being key if he is still a ******* or not). If she finds this out will she feel threatened by it. I doubt Jon will want the throne, but it might make Dany uncomfortable. Or it gives her more reason to marry him and unite the kingdom?

Interested to see how it plays out.

Are y'all watching the same show and reading the same books as me?

Say it with me: familial connections don't matter (when it comes to boinking).

Can somebody re-post the family tree image so I can be lazy and not have to search for it? It seems relevant to this page of discussion. TIA

That was only frowned upon because the queen was married to Robert and claiming those children were his when they weren't. The grievance was that her children were b@st@rds and not true heirs.

That's why I said "That could be weird, or they could embrace it."

I understand that the Targaryens and others have had incestual relationships. That doesn't mean that if/when Dany or Jon (especially Jon) find out (and they have been doing stuff) it might not be awkward (at least at first). I don't know how high Jon would be on incest

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Which means Jon's grandfather killed his other grandfather and uncle, and was responsible for his father's deaths too.

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Also, what was Raegar doing while the Mad King was killing the Starks? Wouldn't he have said "hey dad, that's my new wife's brother and father. You're not helping me out here."?