Whatever happened to the Pirates? Did they just run off to do Pirate stuff?

The Hound has to be re-united with Arya so he wont fall any time soon.

So I love the discussion of who's gonna win this thing in the end, but overall, there's still no known way to kill the dragons, right? I mean, as of now, it still seems pretty straightforward even if they all team up together against the army of the dead.

Do the Walkers have the ability to raise up one of the dead dragons from a long time ago?

If Dany were to fly up with her three dragons, it'd basically be game over for the WW in about 8 minutes, right?

How accurately do you think zombie giants can shoot arrows? For that matter, have any of the undead foot soldiers been anything than strict melee and hand to hand?

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I wouldn't count the scorpion as a failure. I think a shot to a critical area could be fatal, and if a dragon were shot many times it could be incapacitated or killed.

That's relevant to the night king, because the bolts fired by the scorpion are about the same size as the arrows shot by the giants during the seige of the wall. He has many giants and a cluster of giant archers could probably take a dragon down better than anything else in existence.

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The scorpion doesn't look too difficult to build. I bet the Red Keep has several.

It seems like there are several folks who think the Night King is going to shoot a dragon out of the sky - am i understanding these predictions correctly?

Now that they know to be looking for them though you'd think Dany would be a little more cautious about flying straight at the enemy's lines.

Well its what Cersei tried to do and they did at the very least partially penetrate Drogon's skin.

Well, even though they're all kinds of magical, we don't know exactly how dragons react to the cold. Presumably that could be an issue.

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Well, even though they're all kinds of magical, we don't know exactly how dragons react to the cold. Presumably that could be an issue.

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True. But in this world they could also suddenly breathe and come back to life after taking multiple shots to the heart if a red headed woman does a chant around them.

Yeah, and they could be completely impervious to the cold, just saying we don't really know because it hasn't been shown or talked about. We also don't really know how much control the Night King may or may not have on the weather itself. They've seemed to indicate that the white walkers create the cold. I don't know if they could make it windy enough to ground the dragons either.

Could not be a factor at all, just throwing some things out.

Back to the wall though, Benjen Stark said "The Wall's not just ice and stone. Ancient spells were carved into its foundation. Strong magic. To protect men from what lies beyond. And while it stands, the dead cannot pass. I cannot pass."

So "walk around it" would kind of be a cheap way of getting around that.

But that line basically confirmed for me that that thing is coming down.

so many spoiler readers with their on point "guesses".

Yes, some can be logically deduced from the books and other sources, but quite a few are too spot on, and there has been no hint in either the show or books.....

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I'm willing to let this Gendry thing play out before complaining about it, but are there any good theories of why exactly he needed to come back or is this just a nod to the fans?

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He is one of few that can fashion valerian steel. What is needed to fight White Walkers?

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bobinator said:

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I'm willing to let this Gendry thing play out before complaining about it, but are there any good theories of why exactly he needed to come back or is this just a nod to the fans?

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He is one of few that can fashion valerian steel. What is needed to fight White Walkers?

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I can't remember where it was said he can fashion it. Do you mind pointing me to that? Also, does fashion mean reshape it like was done to Ice, or make it from new?

I also assumed that was the case when he first appeared, but taking him on this great wight caper seems to indicate that's not the case.

Maybe he can forge dragonglass weapons? Idk.

Good point. If he indeed can, then this plan is even stupider than I thought. Why risk him dying?

He better put on his thickest plot armor or the realm is ****ed.

Pam Poovey said:

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He was the understudy (or student/trainee/ whatever you call it) to the man that made Widows Wail and Oathbreaker from Ice. That was on the show when Tywin had Ice melted down, I thought. Someone specifically mentions that very few know how to work with VS.

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I've seen this a couple of times and it's not true. Tywin specifically says he had to bring in a guy from Essos as was mentioned. Gendrys master built fancy armor.

And Dany isn't engaged yet in the fight north. She's still concentrating on Cerci. How do any of you suggest they get a dragon north. Get it to pick up a reanimated dead thing and transport it back south?! Dany is the only one that controls them and even her (aside from Drogon) not very well.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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If Dany were to fly up with her three dragons, it'd basically be game over for the WW in about 8 minutes, right?

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Well...the night king basically just dispersed the murder of crows flying recon..makes you wonder if he could make the dragons turn away too...or take control of one.

I didn't say anything yesterday but thank you.

It's getting ridiculous at this point about some specifics.

If I had to take a guess at how they would take down a dragon with standard weaponry, I go with giants and spears. As for how they would with any supernatural powers.... who knows..

Ok, a major question I have after this video is...

Patchface...!?!

He is dead and reanimated? Wtf when was that discussed in the books?

Probably already answered on page 1_X but why not just walk out twenty feet or so north of the wall, kill someone, wait a few and head back with the zombie?

Or are they going full blown White Walker hunting?

I don't think they just automatically turn like in TWD. The Night King has to raise them.