Kit responds to last nights episode

http://mashable.com/2016/05/01/kit-harington-reacts-game-of-thrones/#X81RhR6vdaq4

I thought Benjin was younger?

My book reading spouse just clarified that for me - benjen is younger. My bad.

I felt it was pretty clear that Edd would take over whats left of the Watch. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked to see them disband the Watch and let the Wildlings take over the various castles and lands on the Wall. Everyone is in the same boat now what with the dead coming to take the Seven Kingdoms.

All this talk about Ser Robert Strong and no love for Wun Wun? That was bad ass.

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I'm going to be in the extreme minority on this but I'm disappointed they chose to bring him back. Like severely disappointed. I hate that there is now a character who is untouchable in a show that is known for main characters fearing for their lives with every waking moment.

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I am almost in this boat too.

I don't think GRRM would have done that. The greatest asset this show has/had was that the story wasn't in the "Hollywood" tradition. And you know what I'm referring to by "Hollywood" tradition.

Now that the show runners have surpassed the source material, I am afraid that they may not have Martin's drive to keep the audience off balance.

I really hope I'm wrong. Otherwise his resurrection could end up being an example of another Hollywod tradition: jumping the shark.

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Except GRRM supposedly has given the show runners the outline of how it ends, in case he cannot finish his books due to health and age. I'm not a book nerd, so I am not for sure, but I believe that Jon's death was the last thing GRRM wrote. So I'm certain that he told the show runners that he was resurrected and they didn't do that on their own.

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I'm going to be in the extreme minority on this but I'm disappointed they chose to bring him back. Like severely disappointed. I hate that there is now a character who is untouchable in a show that is known for main characters fearing for their lives with every waking moment.

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I am almost in this boat too.

I don't think GRRM would have done that. The greatest asset this show has/had was that the story wasn't in the "Hollywood" tradition. And you know what I'm referring to by "Hollywood" tradition.

Now that the show runners have surpassed the source material, I am afraid that they may not have Martin's drive to keep the audience off balance.

I really hope I'm wrong. Otherwise his resurrection could end up being an example of another Hollywod tradition: jumping the shark.

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Except GRRM supposedly has given the show runners the outline of how it ends, in case he cannot finish his books due to health and age. I'm not a book nerd, so I am not for sure, but I believe that Jon's death was the last thing GRRM wrote. So I'm certain that he told the show runners that he was resurrected and they didn't do that on their own.

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The other thing is that people have been predicting Jon's resurrection for a long time, since well before the TV show got near this point. The foreshadowing was not as direct in the books, perhaps, but it was definitely there and those theories have existed since ADWD was first printed.

Jon was definitely meant to be resurrected. The real question is if it will still be the "same" Jon. The whole "death changes you" and all.

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I felt it was pretty clear that Edd would take over whats left of the Watch. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked to see them disband the Watch and let the Wildlings take over the various castles and lands on the Wall. Everyone is in the same boat now what with the dead coming to take the Seven Kingdoms.

All this talk about Ser Robert Strong and no love for Wun Wun? That was bad ass.

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This was somewhat along the lines of my thinking, too. I was thinking somewhat of a temporary union between Watch and Wildings.

Calling on the Lord of Light to bring Beric back from the dead didn't appear to change Beric, so assuming that we weren't mislead and Melisandre is responsible, why would it change Jon?

Will J2 be immune from the White Walkers?

I love this show and have about 5% of the recollection of who everyone is, how they are connected, and where everything is than the rest of you.

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I love this show and have about 5% of the recollection of who everyone is, how they are connected, and where everything is than the rest of you.

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This. I had to stop and remember what happened with Bran, and I binge watched the entire series right after last season ended.

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I was trying to figure out why BenJen Stark, the older brother, joined the Night's Watch. As the oldest brother, he's in line for being lord of Winterfell...but he takes the black and Ned becomes the lord. Maybe he hurts Hodor and that's his move?

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He's the youngest.

Brandon - killed with his dad by Aerys II (The Mad King)
Ned - Inherits Winterfell and the North
Benjen - Already took the black

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I wonder if the sacrifice of Shireen will prove to have played a factor in Jon's resurrection.

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I think I speculated about this earlier in the thread. But it appears that what might have done it is Melisandre losing all faith in herself and and Lord of Light. That's what closed out the first episode -- her truly being weak and not necessarily all powerful as she has been portrayed. Now when she is at her lowest point and doubting everything, she is asked by Davos to resurrect Jon. She didn't think she could do it, and even during her "ritual" you could see she wasn't sure about what she was doing. She kept repeating the last line over and over, faster and quieter. She runs out of the room and at that lowest point, Jon wakes. I think the "magic" here has everything to do with doubt and making it seem like you and everyone around you are at their lowest.

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I just don't see the Lannister's not being able to get enough troops together to overthrow a bunch of untrained under armed peasants and the High Sparrow.

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I'm not so sure about this one. I could definitely see a revolt coming against the Lannisters which is led by the High Sparrow. It doesn't just have to be his zealots -- every poor and peasant person in King's Landing could take their side. That could be what is being foreshadowed with the drunk guys joke about Cersei and then the showdown in the temple. Besides, what alliances and army do Cersei and Jamie truly have at this point? Cersei kicked her uncle off the small council who was in control of the Lannister army (although I think he came back?) and the alliance with the Tyrells is not going well either. If a revolt really goes down, Cersei and Jamie may find out they really have nobody to fight for them now besides Zombie Mountain and they could get kicked out of the capitol.

How ironic would it be if the storyline breaks down that Daenerys and Tyrion finally sail to King's Landing, and they find it not ruled by evil Lannisters, but by the poor and suffering -- the same type of people Daenerys has been trying to free and rule all along her journey

When did those pictures come out? Were they revealed or leaked hours after season 5 ended? If so then maybe I'm wrong.

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The thing that disappoints me is that book readers "spolied" this Jon comeback. The resurrection would've been way more powerful if the ENTIRE world wasn't expecting it. And let's be clear: it was only expected because of book reader theories.

I know and remember that Lord of light guy coming back. But solely as a show watcher I barely remember or care about that guy or that event. The point is if there were no books, no one would've thought John was coming back. Maybe I'm not that creative, but there's no way in hell I could've come up with that idea that Jon can just deus ex machina back if I saw the show in a vaccum.

But loud and consistent and ever present chorus of book readers shouting he's coming back from the instant season 5 ended, ruined the reveal. Technically not spoiling, I know.

To be fair I've often been confused about plot and characters and book readers have always helped me with it. I'm not saying book readers have spoiled the show or been annoying the whole time. But in this case, I think they "spoiled" the surprise.

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I can see it from both sides. I got into the series late and binged watched up through Season 3, and never bothered to investigate any book blogs, threads, nor did I know anyone who read them. So, for example, The Red Wedding was a complete WTF moment for me. I watched that part over and over. At that point, I started probing some book sites and blogs and the when the Purple Wedding episode aired, it certainly didn't have the same impact on me.

However, in this case I think there was enough evidence where non-book readers could have inferred it was a possibility. Melisandre's return to WF tied into certain factions within the NW's growing more and more displeased with Jon...It may have required watching previous seasons again, but it seems more possible to me.

Also, as you pointed out with the popularity of this show you'd basically have to live in a bubble and never discuss the show with anyone for most surprises to to remain surprises. Not sure if that is even possible anymore, and it certainly cannot be pinned solely on book readers.

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I just don't see the Lannister's not being able to get enough troops together to overthrow a bunch of untrained under armed peasants and the High Sparrow.

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You left out the part where they're all lead by Tommen Boratheon. He could have given the order a dozen times already but is too chicken-****.

Ok I guess I'm wrong. I have a poor imagination perhaps. The idea that Jon could just come back would not have entered my mind if I wasn't surrounded by other people ( who just happened to be book readers). It's possible anyone (including show only folks) watching with me could've come up with the idea it seems.

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The thing that disappoints me is that book readers "spolied" this Jon comeback. The resurrection would've been way more powerful if the ENTIRE world wasn't expecting it. And let's be clear: it was only expected because of book reader theories.

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After season 5 the series was caught up with the books. They were at the same point in the story. There's nothing the book readers would know that the show watchers don't that would make a difference here. Melisandre riding back to Castle Black the day that Jon is murdered was shown to all of us. Remembering she might have the power to bring him back was far from a stretch of the imagination.

It's all good. I just seemed like too much of a coincidence for her to be there. My other theory and it might have been discussed on last season's thread was that Bran might somehow Warg into Jon or his direwolf and somehow be able to save him.

The biggest clue that Jon Snow would be back is that there would be no good way to tell what's happening at the Wall with him dead. None of the other characters are established enough to carry the story; the writers need Jon's POV.

Now that Melisandre has resurrected Jon Snow, where does she stand in his counsel moving forward? Jon is from the North and he worships the Old Gods, not the Lord of Light..and Davos clearly did not trust her before and considers her evil. She also just got through sacrificing Shireen by fire. Does resurrecting a relative stranger (to Davos) because he asked her to erase what she did back at Stannis's camp?

Where do we think she goes from here?

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The biggest clue that Jon Snow would be back is that there would be no good way to tell what's happening at the Wall with him dead. None of the other characters are established enough to carry the story; the writers need Jon's POV.

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It could've been Davos, IMO.