I guess if grrm passed away his work could be finished by others. Similar to Robert Jordan and the massive WoT series.
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quote:but how many people are willing to spend 6 chapters and 800 pages describing the way a single arrow flies through the air before striking a bird while there is a million man battle going on.
I guess if grrm passed away his work could be finished by others. Similar to Robert Jordan and the massive WoT series.
quote:I think his trust is set so that the rights to publish under his "universe" remain with the trust for all time... or something like that.
I guess if grrm passed away his work could be finished by others. Similar to Robert Jordan and the massive WoT series.
quote:Maybe the books would be finished quicker without all the descriptions of foodquote:but how many people are willing to spend 6 chapters and 800 pages describing the way a single arrow flies through the air before striking a bird while there is a million man battle going on.
I guess if grrm passed away his work could be finished by others. Similar to Robert Jordan and the massive WoT series.
quote:but knowing the exact color and placement of the char on a roasted boar is much more important than finishing the storyquote:Maybe the books would be finished quicker without all the descriptions of foodquote:but how many people are willing to spend 6 chapters and 800 pages describing the way a single arrow flies through the air before striking a bird while there is a million man battle going on.
I guess if grrm passed away his work could be finished by others. Similar to Robert Jordan and the massive WoT series.
quote:Seriously, if this was revealed to be truth, my mind would be blown so hard that I'd possibly never recover, and repeat the same word over and over for the rest of my life.quote:quote:Wouldn't it be awesome if at some point if all the dire wolves are brought back from the dead?quote:
Poor Summer, poor Hodor
Be of good cheer! They're both coming back!
Not quite as awesome as if G Martin 87 is really GRRM.
I mean, is it THAT implausible? He does have stuff at the A&M Library.
quote:quote:I think his trust is set so that the rights to publish under his "universe" remain with the trust for all time... or something like that.
I guess if grrm passed away his work could be finished by others. Similar to Robert Jordan and the massive WoT series.
I believe this is correct. I think in previous statements he said he wouldn't want somebody else finishing his work
Out of 3000+ posts on this thread, I wonder how many are the same tired joke about food...
It's correct. GRRM has said many times that he doesn't want anyone else to finish it, quite unequivocally. His wife has said in interviews that she completely agrees and they don't have kids who might someday sell the rights. I think he's so sick of fans moaning "he'll die before he finishes the series" that he's perfectly fine with screwing them if he does.
quote:Meh. He already gave HBO full creative control. They'll finish the story.
It's correct. GRRM has said many times that he doesn't want anyone else to finish it, quite unequivocally. His wife has said in interviews that she completely agrees and they don't have kids who might someday sell the rights. I think he's so sick of fans moaning "he'll die before he finishes the series" that he's perfectly fine with screwing them if he does.
I'm not even sure if i would want to read the next book at this point.
quote:quote:but knowing the exact color and placement of the char on a roasted boar is much more important than finishing the storyquote:Maybe the books would be finished quicker without all the descriptions of foodquote:but how many people are willing to spend 6 chapters and 800 pages describing the way a single arrow flies through the air before striking a bird while there is a million man battle going on.
I guess if grrm passed away his work could be finished by others. Similar to Robert Jordan and the massive WoT series.
When I come to those paragraphs I just skim through
quote:I don't really see it as the book reader getting screwed. HBO is going to finish the story and, IMO, has for the most part done a pretty good job of it. Thing is, I don't think anyone really knows or will ever know if GRRM believed he would finish the story before HBO did, or if he believed he would finish the story at all to be honest. So considering he has consistently stated he wouldn't allow someone else to finish the books, HBO has turned out to be the next best option and of course GRRM has made an absolutely killing selling the rights to them.
It's correct. GRRM has said many times that he doesn't want anyone else to finish it, quite unequivocally. His wife has said in interviews that she completely agrees and they don't have kids who might someday sell the rights. I think he's so sick of fans moaning "he'll die before he finishes the series" that he's perfectly fine with screwing them if he does.
We've had this conversation before. I still think we get TWOW sometime next year, maybe right before Season 7 kicks off, and then that's that. ADOS will never be written.
The books will be written. Not publishing the final books leaves too much money on the table. Maybe Martin dies, and maybe his wife won't let anyone finish it (Unlikely, but it can happen). Well, she'll die too, eventually, and the rights to the book series pass to someone else. You don't think the next guy would happily make a buck or a million by selling those rights to an eager publisher?
Wasn't it once speculated that the old horn that Sam and Jon found with the dragonglass at fist of first men could be horn of winter?
First kingsmoot in 1000 years and they only had about 40 people in attendance. About as much interest as viewers have. I did think it was cool that they showed one of the Damphair's drowing scenes
First kingsmoot in 1000 years and they only had about 40 people in attendance. About as much interest as viewers have. I did think it was cool that they showed one of the Damphair's drowing scenes
I would imagine only the lords of the Iron Islands would be allowed to attend the kingsmoot. A small crowd would make sense there. It would also explain how Theon and Yara escaped with the ships and convinced so many sailors to follow them.
quote:That's all completely on Martin's wishes and estate planning. He owns it. If he doesn't want the books finished by someone else, they won't be finished by someone else. I really don't think money is the issue to him. If it were he would have finished this years ago.
The books will be written. Not publishing the final books leaves too much money on the table. Maybe Martin dies, and maybe his wife won't let anyone finish it (Unlikely, but it can happen). Well, she'll die too, eventually, and the rights to the book series pass to someone else. You don't think the next guy would happily make a buck or a million by selling those rights to an eager publisher?
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quote:It's not that implausible.quote:Seriously, if this was revealed to be truth, my mind would be blown so hard that I'd possibly never recover, and repeat the same word over and over for the rest of my life.quote:quote:Wouldn't it be awesome if at some point if all the dire wolves are brought back from the dead?quote:
Poor Summer, poor Hodor
Be of good cheer! They're both coming back!
Not quite as awesome as if G Martin 87 is really GRRM.
I mean, is it THAT implausible? He does have stuff at the A&M Library.
G Martin 87, go finish your breakfast of sausage and applecakes, and that double helping of fried eggs cooked up with onions and fiery Dornish peppers, hot bread, butter and honey and blackberry preserves, a rasher of bacon and a soft-boiled egg, a wedge of cheese, and a pot of mint tea....and get back to work!
quote:quote:That's all completely on Martin's wishes and estate planning. He owns it. If he doesn't want the books finished by someone else, they won't be finished by someone else. I really don't think money is the issue to him. If it were he would have finished this years ago.
The books will be written. Not publishing the final books leaves too much money on the table. Maybe Martin dies, and maybe his wife won't let anyone finish it (Unlikely, but it can happen). Well, she'll die too, eventually, and the rights to the book series pass to someone else. You don't think the next guy would happily make a buck or a million by selling those rights to an eager publisher?
Martin may not care about money, but that decision passes to someone else when he dies. Maybe his wife doesn't want the money and is willing to respect his wishes. But she'll die too. Eventually, ownership of his estate will pass to someone who wants money and doesn't care what old man Martin wanted. The books will be written. The questions are: who will write them and when?
On a re-watch - Bran was in the past when he warged into Big Hodor, but he stayed in the past and didn't fully return to the present. Big Hodor "holding the door" was really Bran, inside Hodor, controlling him and pummeling his brain with "Hold the Door Hold the Door Hold the Door." But since Bran was in the past, it seems like he warged into both Hodors at the same time and all three were connected. Young Hodor was also being pummeled with "Hold the Door Hold the Door Hold the Door" and when Big Hodor died, the pummeling stopped but he had been irrevocably damaged.
Here's an interesting thought - I seem to remember Varymir or the 3EC saying that if you are warged into another person/animal and they die before you can get out, you will be permanently damaged by it and unable to return to your own body. But Bran was fine afterwards (and obviously will be since he has more to do in this story) so I wonder if he was unconsciously pushing that "damage" onto Young Hodor to protect himself, since the three were linked.
Here's an interesting thought - I seem to remember Varymir or the 3EC saying that if you are warged into another person/animal and they die before you can get out, you will be permanently damaged by it and unable to return to your own body. But Bran was fine afterwards (and obviously will be since he has more to do in this story) so I wonder if he was unconsciously pushing that "damage" onto Young Hodor to protect himself, since the three were linked.
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It's correct. GRRM has said many times that he doesn't want anyone else to finish it, quite unequivocally. His wife has said in interviews that she completely agrees and they don't have kids who might someday sell the rights. I think he's so sick of fans moaning "he'll die before he finishes the series" that he's perfectly fine with screwing them if he does.
I fully expect that sitting in his hospital deathbed he will request pen and paper and hot out 20 pages or so where the white walkers kill the dragons and overrun the world. He won't die without killing off every major character
I would absolutely love it if the GoT wraps up on HBO & then Martin completely changes the ending of the book.
Like maybe in the show R+L= Jon Snow & he is "The Prince that is Promised".
The book goes anti-religion/prophesy & just has Dany conquer Westeros & marry "Young Griff".
It would actually be a brilliant move... it would certainly drive book sales up.
Like maybe in the show R+L= Jon Snow & he is "The Prince that is Promised".
The book goes anti-religion/prophesy & just has Dany conquer Westeros & marry "Young Griff".
It would actually be a brilliant move... it would certainly drive book sales up.
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I would absolutely love it if the GoT wraps up on HBO & then Martin completely changes the ending of the book.
Like maybe in the show R+L= Jon Snow & he is "The Prince that is Promised".
The book goes anti-religion/prophesy & just has Dany conquer Westeros & marry "Young Griff".
It would actually be a brilliant move... it would certainly drive book sales up.
Hmmmm....I'm not in that camp. I want them to have the same overall conclusion. But I'm ok with the subtle differences and even lack of certain characters and combining things or having them occur a slightly different way. But if they have completely different conclusions then I'm a bit let down.
For the record I'm ok most of the time when a movie changes the ending of a book, as long as it makes sense and doesn't change the entire concept or feel or some main characters entire motivation.
I guess its that this is just like a bigger investment in it.
Sometimes movies are changed just to allow for movie sequels - that sucks but its understandable. Jurassic Park is an excellent example of that and I was ok with it.
But there is no reason to change things here for sequel purposes. Budget purposes I get and even keeping the character count manageable (if we had all the book characters it would be nuts and waaay too long). But the overall fate of main characters I would expect to be the same.
quote:If he did that would HBO have some kind of legal recourse? Suddenly theirs would be viewed as the "unofficial version".
I would absolutely love it if the GoT wraps up on HBO & then Martin completely changes the ending of the book.
Like maybe in the show R+L= Jon Snow & he is "The Prince that is Promised".
The book goes anti-religion/prophesy & just has Dany conquer Westeros & marry "Young Griff".
It would actually be a brilliant move... it would certainly drive book sales up.
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If he did that would HBO have some kind of legal recourse? Suddenly theirs would be viewed as the "unofficial version".
it already is. The show is the adaptation not the book.
All depends what the lawyers worked out years ago. My guess would be that Martin has reserved all rights to finish out the book however he sees fit, if he finishes them at all.
quote:And now it's an adaption of a book or two that haven't been written. Not that it changes anything.quote:
If he did that would HBO have some kind of legal recourse? Suddenly theirs would be viewed as the "unofficial version".
it already is. The show is the adaptation not the book.
They would both be "official versions". 1A & 1B. The arguments in fandom would be epic.
There are so many differences with characters being dead or omitted entirely, it is completely plausible a different conclusion should be reached. It would make reading the book much more exciting IMO.
There are so many differences with characters being dead or omitted entirely, it is completely plausible a different conclusion should be reached. It would make reading the book much more exciting IMO.
This scenario would be far more frustrating and annoying than fascinating and exciting...
It's all opinion. I doubt Martin will finish the final book anyway so this won't be an issue.
I haven't even read the books, but the only thing that matters to me is that whoever ends up on the throne (if anyone) is the same.
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