quote:Tommen is legally Robert's son but actually is Jaime's. That was the whole reason the original hand of Robert's was killed because he figured out all the kids should have had black hair not blond.quote:Tommen isnt a basturd. He is the legal heir to King Robert.quote:Yes. Like Tommen.
Even if jon is a targ, he would still be a basturd.
quote:That's what the Realm thinks, but we know better *blonde hair cough cough*.quote:Tommen isnt a basturd. He is the legal heir to King Robert.quote:Yes. Like Tommen.
Even if jon is a targ, he would still be a basturd.
quote:quote:Tommen isnt a basturd. He is the legal heir to King Robert.quote:Yes. Like Tommen.
Even if jon is a targ, he would still be a basturd.
quote:quote:Tommen isnt a basturd. He is the legal heir to King Robert.quote:Yes. Like Tommen.
Even if jon is a targ, he would still be a basturd.
quote:quote:Tommen isnt a basturd. He is the legal heir to King Robert.quote:Yes. Like Tommen.
Even if jon is a targ, he would still be a basturd.
quote:Calm down, Cersei.quote:Tommen isnt a basturd. He is the legal heir to King Robert.quote:Yes. Like Tommen.
Even if jon is a targ, he would still be a basturd.
quote:Basturds of lowbirth cant ascend.
What if Robert's basterd (that Davos let escape and was with Arya earlier) returns. Doesn't he have a claim?
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"At first, I was worried that he'll wake up and he's the same, back to normal then there's no point in that death," Harington says. "He needs to change. There's a brilliant line when Melisandre asks: 'What did you see?' And he says: 'Nothing, there was nothing at all.' That cuts right to our deepest fear, that there's nothing after death. And that's the most important line in the whole season for me. Jon's never been afraid of death, and that's made him a strong and honorable person. He realizes something about his life now: He has to live it, because that's all there is. He's been over the line and there's nothing there. And that changes him. It literally puts the fear of god into him. He's seen oblivion and that's got to change somebody in the most fundamental way there is. He doesn't want to die ever again. But if he does, he doesn't want to be brought back."
quote:Why do people want Jon Snow to all the sudden warg into animals? Bran does it and that's cool, but Jon is a badass with a sword already, no need for him to warg into an animal. I expect he is far more likely to ride a dragon than warg into a direwolf or dragon.
Dang, I was really hoping for the warging into Ghost.
quote:Actually, if I recall it correctly, Little Finger planted the seeds that lead Jon Arryn to believe that Robert's sons were not his own, and then conspired with Lysa Arryn to poison him. LF wagered that Arryn's death would compel Robert to name Ned the next Hand of the King. Then, with a little help, Ned would go down the same path, come to the same conclusions, and the Game of Thrones begins. LF in essence orchestrated the War of the Five Kings.quote:Tommen is legally Robert's son but actually is Jaime's. That was the whole reason the original hand of Robert's was killed because he figured out all the kids should have had black hair not blond.quote:Tommen isnt a basturd. He is the legal heir to King Robert.quote:Yes. Like Tommen.
Even if jon is a targ, he would still be a basturd.
quote:This sounds about right, but he had help with Varys. LF's motivation were his own promotions; but I think Varys truly wants to see a Targaryen back in power.quote:Actually, if I recall it correctly, Little Finger planted the seeds that lead Jon Arryn to believe that Robert's sons were not his own, and then conspired with Lysa Arryn to poison him. LF wagered that Arryn's death would compel Robert to name Ned the next Hand of the King. Then, with a little help, Ned would go down the same path, come to the same conclusions, and the Game of Thrones begins. LF in essence orchestrated the War of the Five Kings.quote:Tommen is legally Robert's son but actually is Jaime's. That was the whole reason the original hand of Robert's was killed because he figured out all the kids should have had black hair not blond.quote:Tommen isnt a basturd. He is the legal heir to King Robert.quote:Yes. Like Tommen.
Even if jon is a targ, he would still be a basturd.
Someone check me on that though, it's been a while.
quote:One thing I never understood is that, in the books, it looks like Varys was the one that ehlped push Varys off the deep end into being crazier than a ****house rat, and sowed suspicions between Aerys and Rhaegar.
Varys didn't conspire with LF directly. Varys' co-conspirator was Illyrio Mopatis, and their plot didn't involve LF or Arryn at all. LF was actively trying to start a war so that he could eventually wind up on top. Varys and Illyrio were trying to orchestrate a coup to return the Targs to power.
quote:Since we don't know if Aegon is truly Aegon or not, there are those who think Varys is actually a Blackfyre supporter. It's unclear if they would ever reveal to Aegon that he is a Blackfyre, but maybe they don't really care.quote:One thing I never understood is that, in the books, it looks like Varys was the one that ehlped push Varys off the deep end into being crazier than a ****house rat, and sowed suspicions between Aerys and Rhaegar.
Varys didn't conspire with LF directly. Varys' co-conspirator was Illyrio Mopatis, and their plot didn't involve LF or Arryn at all. LF was actively trying to start a war so that he could eventually wind up on top. Varys and Illyrio were trying to orchestrate a coup to return the Targs to power.
Now, Varys is maneuvering to get Aegon VI (who, like Rhaegar, is presented as an ideal of the nobility) on the throne. If Varys had maneuvered to get rid of Aerrys in favor of Rhaegar, wouldn't he have saved himself about 20 years on his plan to put a "good" Targaryen on the throne?
quote:Correct. I think most agreed that Rheagar was a pretty solid person and a good choice to be King.
Correct, but for the wrong end.
The mad King was very suspicious that Rehgar (sp) was trying to usurp the throne, however had he done that instead of pissing off the stormlords and the Northmen, then most everyone would have supported that.
quote:Yeah, by all reports (except Robert Baratheon's) Rhaegar was a good person and someone who probably would have been a very good king.quote:Correct. I think most agreed that Rheagar was a pretty solid person and a good choice to be King.
Correct, but for the wrong end.
The mad King was very suspicious that Rehgar (sp) was trying to usurp the throne, however had he done that instead of pissing off the stormlords and the Northmen, then most everyone would have supported that.
quote:Brandon Stark not only demanded justice. He and 4 others walked in to the Red Keep and yelled for Rheagar to, "Come out and Die". Rheagar wasn't home, but the Mad King was and he basically saw it as treason. These guys were plotting against the crown prince. So he locked them up and ordered their respective father's to come answer for the kids crimes. When the father's arrived, Aerys had them and the boys executed without a trial. Rickard Stark ask for trial by combat. Aerys strung him up over a fire in his armor saying that fire was his Champion and cooked him while Brandon strangled himself with a rope trying to free his father. The only one left alive was Ethan Glover, who was a squire to Brandon. Glover died at the Tower of Joy.
2. Brandon rode off in a rage to the king to demand justice and her return and is taken prisoner. Aerys takes his demands as an affront to the throne. Knowing Brandon's personality, he was probably not very diplomatic about it.
3. Rickard Stark (dad) goes to the king to ask for his kids to be released and returned. King Aerys burns Rickard to death while Brandon is hanged to watch.
