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Since "The Winds of Winter" aired there's been some discussion among fans about what Lyanna whispered to her brother. The folks at GamesRadar have done their best to enhance the scene's audio so that fans can hear as much as possible. What Lyanna whispers to Ned is, ""His name is .... If Robert finds out, he'll kill him. You know he will. You have to protect him. Promise me Ned. Promise me."
The missing piece of dialogue following "His name is" is also blank in the episode's subtitles, lending a bit of mystery to the scene. Claire Williams, a Game of Thrones fan and web designer who uses Reddit under the handle sparkledavisjr, watched the scene at least 50 times to try to figure out what Lyanna said in that moment. The answer she has come up with is "Jaehaerys."
Jaeherys would make a certain amount of sense. Many fans do not believe that Lyanna was abducted, contrary to the most widespread narrative of Robert's Rebellion. Those fans believe that Lyanna and Rhaegar Targaryen were actually in love and that they ran away together, possibly even marrying at a Godswood in the Riverlands. If this is true, it would make sense that Lyanna would give her son a Targaryen name that matched his half-siblings - Aegon and Rhaenys. Jaehaerys is a particularly good Targaryen name since two previous and well-remembered Targaryen kings shared the same name.
However, Targaryen names tend to be distinctive, as the House comes from Valyria, a distinct culture from Westeros. If Ned was going to protect baby Jaehaerys from Robert Baratheon, who was determined to wipe out the entire Targaryen line, then the child would need to go by a less conspicuous name. Jon is a traditional northern name, a Stark family name, and the name of Jon Arryn, who was a father figure to Ned, meaning it's exactly the kind of name nobody would think twice about.
quote:Everyone also seems to be forgetting the Goldcloaks (Cuty Watch). As I recall they are about 6000 strong. Formidable force in Kings Landing.quote:quote:Who would do this?
Oh and one more thing......other than Qyburn.....who knows Cersei did it? She could blame it on Pycelle and/or Lancel. Perhaps thats why they made sure they were down below.
Who had the means to carry it out?
Who had the most to gain?
Why was Tommen and Cersei absent?
The answers to those questions only lead to Cersei. They may not have an corroborating witnesses, but the blame would be impossible to pass off.
History belongs to those that write it.
Everyone that could be a witness is dead.
Cersei says - Lancel was supposed to come get me, but instead he threw Tommen out the window and then blew up the Sept. I was only protected by The Mountain so I graciously take my sons place as ruler.
Now I doubt that....but it's possible. I think it's just a matter of having the force or backup. Someone originally asked how she could take power with no friends. But as I said before Jamie was back with his army - and he may not be happy but at least now he seems to be supporting her. And the army is his. With the army and the Queensguard...done deal.
quote:Including the show's writers. When was the last time we've seen them? 2 or 3 seasons ago?
Everyone also seems to be forgetting the Goldcloaks (Cuty Watch). As I recall they are about 6000 strong. Formidable force in Kings Landing.
quote:^This.
How would Tommen have known who killed Joffery?
quote:Exactly. And her discussion with Olenna was prior to that.
I feel like once Tommen did away with trial by combat, she'd made her mind up about killing everyone.
quote:I don't think so.
Now the approach of granny Tyrell by Cersei asking her not to leave makes much more sense. She knew all the Tyrells would be in the Sept and would eliminate them as a threat. Also might confirm that the secret Tommen told Cersei was indeed those that were involved in Joffrey's murder.
Maybe now she won't care if LF delivers on his promise to kill Sansa.
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How would Tommen have known who killed Joffery?
quote:How did/would the high sparrow know?quote:
How would Tommen have known who killed Joffery?
The HS told him a secret and the he told Cersei, remember?
quote:He knew about Cersei's b/c of Lancel joining his little army, he knew about Loras b/c they found that stupid brothel twit, and got Margery b/c of the same guy. Whose sins did he know about besides them? Surely not that Olenna had anything to do with killing Joffrey, or he would have arrested her, too.
How did he know about everyone's sins?
quote:Loras didn't know who killed Joff, and Margarey wasn't telling
Yeah, but Joffrey's assassination was orchestrated by the Tyrells and he (the HS) had two of them in his custody. Including one who was broken through torture. It's very possible the HS knew who actually killed Joffrey.
quote:quote:Loras didn't know who killed Joff, and Margarey wasn't telling
Yeah, but Joffrey's assassination was orchestrated by the Tyrells and he (the HS) had two of them in his custody. Including one who was broken through torture. It's very possible the HS knew who actually killed Joffrey.
quote:You know, it just occurred to me that Mel was on Arya's list at some point. Any chance she can kill her and steal her face?quote:
Any thoughts on what's next for Melisandra?quote:
I see a darkness in you. And in that darkness, eyes staring back at me. Brown eyes, blue eyes, green eyes... eyes you'll shut forever. We will meet again.
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I am never catching up with this thread.
quote:thanks
Viserys would have been King by succession.
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Viserys would have been King by succession.
quote:That depends on Aegon's legitimacy.
Viserys would have been King by succession.
