Jaime. Sam. Bran. The Hound. Beric. Gendry (in the books).

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Jaime. Sam. Bran. The Hound.

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Jamie's identity (sword fighter) was taken from him and he's beholden to his sister. Sam is whipped and by Gilly. Bran is paralyzed and depends entirely on Meera now, though Benjen McColdhands complicates things a bit. The Hound was "killed" by one woman and left for dead by another

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So how is Brienne going to emasculate Tormund?

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by stealing him and ****ing him like a bear

Snoo snoo?

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Lysa over John.

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You lost me. Lysa wasn't a strong, powerful woman. She was simply bat**** crazy and murdered her own husband.

Jon: ...they won't be able hit us the way that Stannis hit you in a double envelopment

Tormund: blank stare

Jon: awkward pause.....a pincer move

Tormund: looking at Jon and Davos for answers

Jon: (looking at Davos...are you serious right now?). They won't be able to hit us from the sides.

Tormund: Good.

Have watched that like 10 times & I keep losing it.

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I'm laughing at you folks who think this has any kind of traditional happy ending - Jon and Dany, Sansa as Wardeness of the North, Tyrion as master of anything, the Iron Throne assumed by "good guys" (whomever that might be). The remaining lines of the houses don't matter a lick.

That whole world is going to be different. Changed. I have zero idea what GRRM has in mind for the story arc, but there is zero chance it is a normal ending with all the questions answered and the bow neatly tied on top. His goal is to turn paradigms on end. Either the WW's will turn out to have the justification and they rule, or the government left standing will look nothing like the city-state monarchies currently ruling.

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This series has always been about strong women, often overtaking flawed, supposedly powerful men.

Cersei over Robert. Lysa over John. Melisandra over Stannis. Dany over Viserys (and everyone). Marj manipulates her kings. The Queen of Thrones against Tywin. The ascension of Yara compared to the emasculated Theon. The transformation of Arya into a brutal assassin. The transformation of Sansa from scared girl into cunning lady. LSH.

Meanwhile, every strong man has been killed or emasculated. Robert. Jaime. Ned. Stannis. Joff. Renly. Tywin. Blackfish. Theon. Ramsay. Roose. Jorah. Etc.

The men that are left? Tyrion is a half man. Varys and Grey Worm are eunichs.

The only ones that dont fit are Jon and Littlefinger.

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I disagree.

This series has always been about PEOPLE that come from nothing or are stripped of everything and overcome incredible odds. And all of the surviving characters in power fit into this.

Note: thats partly based on who I expect to survive much longer too....


On reading book one 1 picked out Jon, Dany and Tyrion as fitting this and likely the three surviving victors.
There are others too though that fit the mold currently and likely will play a part.
PRIMARY

Dany - entire family killed except her brother, on the run in a far away foreign land with nothing to her name, sold to a khal for an army for her brother

Tyrion - a dwarf who is ostracized by his own family, basically disowned by his father, blamed for his mothers death, called a freak and constantly underestimated who gets by on his wits.

Jon - presumably a ******* who gives up any semblance of a normal life in an honorable family to go to the wall and make a name for himself. Doubted all along by every person in power he meets (Mance, Thorne, Stannis, even Jeor until he proved himself, Ramsay of course).


also currently you have some other minor players who have risen from next to nothing
SECONDARY

Bran - thrown out a window and crippled he thought he thought his life was useless until he found out he had the power to greensee and warg.

Littlefinger - a lord of a house so small it had no real land or castles, very meager and undistinguished family, who has risen to now control armies and some kingdoms

Varys - a eunuch who was born a slave and had his junk cut off by a sorcerer and was left to die. Rose up to become a master spy and thief and ascended to a seat on the small council.

Sam - a fat kid basically thrown out by his own father, goes to the wall, nearly dies, ends up killing a white walker and saving Gilly. He may play a part still (at the Citadel) in discovering soemthing important that helps Jon.

Those are your characters who will shape the end story here mostly.


But there are still a few more who fit the mold although they will likely be side players at most and/or dead for someones cause or through their own arrogance and ambition.
TERTIARY

The High Sparrow - presumably rose from a common man preaching and walking barefoot among the people to lead an entire religious uprising that nearly controls KL if not the entire kingdom at this point.

Theon - maybe not ruling anything currently but he was tortured and basically had his name stricken and was castrated too.

Brienne - her mother died and all of her siblings died in their youth yet she survived. But she is an outcast because of her freakish size and strength and will likely never marry or have children.

Jamie - perhaps fits the mold least but in the end he has lost nearly all of his family (and undoubtedly will lose the rest - or kill one of them himself) and he also lost his hand which gave him his greatest asset (fighting) and now has lost his position on the kingsguard as well.

Sansa - really a late entry into this herself, she seemingly had everything but lost her mother and siblings were strewn to the 4 corners of the world. she also lost her promised seat on the throne, was humiliate to marry the dwarf, then lost him and was married off to a tyrant and maniac who she had to escape from. now she is wiser and at least playing the game and rising back up. I just don't think she ends up as a major player.



Anyway. That is the recurring theme and story of GOT.

I've always believed it will be Jon, Dany and Tyrion in the end with assists from Varys, Littlefinger and Bran ( and maybe Sam).

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Do you discount the female angle entirely?

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No. I mean there are females that fit that. Dany particularly.

But i don't think it's some authors conspiracy to have the women end up in control. A woman might but it's not just for the sake or proving women are superior or emasculating all men.

I think it's mostly to show that those who are given everything don't always do the right thing. That includes women like cersei. And that the system is broken and outdated. It just so happens that system was dominated by men. So they are naturally the losers in the revolution.

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The details will not come out till the next Dunk and Egg book

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Which, knowing Martin, will be completed and printed before Winds of Winter.

Am I the only one who got nervous when Jon pulled his sword in the scene with the cavalry charging? Very reminscent of Stannis doing the same when he was told "there isn't going to be a seige my lord."

I was sitting there thinking "****, what was the point of Jon coming back?"

But then, the outcome shifted and all was well.

My prediction...

Cersei will face trial and she will be found guilty by the seven and be handed down a terrible punishment (HS getting cocky thinking he has more control/power than he does.) Tommen, unable to deal with failure to protect his mother for a second time, commits suicide by throwing himself out a tower window. Cersei, having lost her last child finally goes over the edge and decides to implement the final option, burn KL to the ground with green fire.

Jaime, having returned to KL to late to save Cersei or Tommen, is faced with his sister implementing the Mad Kings final solution. The very reason he dishonored himself to prevent. In desperation he tries to convince his sister to give up the plan but fails, and with no other options, strangles his sister.

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The details will not come out till the next Dunk and Egg book

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Which, knowing Martin, will be completed and printed before Winds of Winter.

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I'll be shocked if Martin ever completes another book for GOT.

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I'm wondering if the red witch charmed Jon... The previews showed a scene where it implies she did something to him. "Aren't you going to tell him what you did to Her?"

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Davos knows what happened to Shireen and wants Melisandre to tell Jon was she did. He says "her", not "him"