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"turn heel"?

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Heel = bad guy in wrestling.
Babyface = good guy in wrestling
"Turn heel" = swapping from baby face to heel.

Turn heel? Really? Bad enough grown men watch wrestling.

IT'S STILL REAL TO ME, DAMNIT!

WWE might be the one form of entertainment to rival star wars in terms of money made

*I have no idea if this is close to accurate

I want to see the following GoT Wrestlmania Matches:

Hound vs Mountain (duh)
Joffrey vs Ramsay (****s)
Melisandre vs New Red Priestess (bewbs)
Maester Pycelle vs Walder Frey (olds)
Sansa vs Margerey (red heads)
Jaime vs Tormund vs Brienne (Battle for Brienne)

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This clip gets me every damn time.

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We need a tag team match.

Jamie & Bron vs Jorah & Daario.

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I hate that I instigated this WWE de-rail, but I would love to see this tag team.

A Dany heel turn would be GRRM totally redeeming himself.

Would y'all rather Dany heel turn or die?

Of course somewhere about the time he lost his hand Jaime turned face.

Stannis already did that. Doing the same to Dany would be redundant/repetitive.

Stannis already did that....in the show.

Wait, are you implying that Stannis was a GOOD guy early on? Remember how he had his younger brother assassinated?

I'm implying a lot of people seemed to have started to root for him later on. Not that I'm one of them.

Dany is at her best when she inspires those around her, she obviously has a distaste for ruling a status quo. It could be what's left of her idealistic youth. She wants to change the world and she has the dragons and military to pull it off.

I'm thinking an Alexander the Great type, she needs to conquer to maintain power. Or else the nobles under her will destabilize the power base every time.

Also she may leave Mereen to Missandei and Grey Worm. But she does appear to be done with her crusade in Slaver's Bay.

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Also she may leave Mereen to Missandei and Grey Worm. But she does appear to be done with her crusade in Slaver's Bay.

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Well they've done a fantastic job so far. If not for Tyrion, they'd be dead.

Back to the parallels of characters...Dany and Jon. Both were basically run off (killed or tried to kill) by the people they were in charge of protecting, who saw what he/she was doing as against the very culture of the place. And once run off, they're both done with it, ready to move on. Jon leaving the Watch and Dany leaving Mereen (hopefully for good) to start rampaging and fulfilling their destinies.
The biggest difference between the two is that people are assuming that Dany will be the villain in her approach to conquering, and Jon will be the savior. But the starting points are basically the same, and at exactly the same times. From here on out perhaps their forward progress will also happen along the same timeframes, just going in different directions.

Should be interesting to watch play out. I, for one, am on board with the Dany=villain theory.

This is not really new...Brienne's ancestor is hinted at in Book 4 when she recalls the shield in her father's armory

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/05/game-of-thrones-brienne-ser-duncan-the-tall-george-rr-martin

There is also speculation that Dunk is connected to Hodor via some relationship with Old Nan. Bran has a vision in book 5 of a slim girl kissing a really tall knight in the Winterfell grove.

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Back to the parallels of characters...Dany and Jon. Both were basically run off (killed or tried to kill) by the people they were in charge of protecting, who saw what he/she was doing as against the very culture of the place. And once run off, they're both done with it, ready to move on. Jon leaving the Watch and Dany leaving Mereen (hopefully for good) to start rampaging and fulfilling their destinies.
The biggest difference between the two is that people are assuming that Dany will be the villain in her approach to conquering, and Jon will be the savior. But the starting points are basically the same, and at exactly the same times. From here on out perhaps their forward progress will also happen along the same timeframes, just going in different directions.

Should be interesting to watch play out. I, for one, am on board with the Dany=villain theory.

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Well let's not forget who Dany has been fighting so far. She fought the slave masters of slavers bay and the Dothraki Khals. Neither of those are exactly noble rulers. She's in a part of the world that is forgotten from the rest of the world and where the ancient currency of slavery and pillaging is common. All of her followers think she is a saint, sent to save them from the miserable oppression of their previous rulers.

Now, I know she also gets a little blood-thirsty when she starts talking about Westeros, but all that she knows of the land of Westeros is that her family was murdered there, their cities were sacked, babies were killed, and the only thing the revolving door of rulers seems to have in common is they all want her dead.

It is quite possible that she changes her outlook on other rulers when she meets the likes of Jon, Yara, Sansa, and Tommen.

Personally, I think she was just saying what the Dothraki wanted to hear. I can't believe she would be dumb enough to want to "tear down the stone houses".

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Back to the parallels of characters...Dany and Jon. Both were basically run off (killed or tried to kill) by the people they were in charge of protecting, who saw what he/she was doing as against the very culture of the place. And once run off, they're both done with it, ready to move on. Jon leaving the Watch and Dany leaving Mereen (hopefully for good) to start rampaging and fulfilling their destinies.
The biggest difference between the two is that people are assuming that Dany will be the villain in her approach to conquering, and Jon will be the savior. But the starting points are basically the same, and at exactly the same times. From here on out perhaps their forward progress will also happen along the same timeframes, just going in different directions.

Should be interesting to watch play out. I, for one, am on board with the Dany=villain theory.

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Well let's not forget who Dany has been fighting so far. She fought the slave masters of slavers bay and the Dothraki Khals. Neither of those are exactly noble rulers. She's in a part of the world that is forgotten from the rest of the world and where the ancient currency of slavery and pillaging is common. All of her followers think she is a saint, sent to save them from the miserable oppression of their previous rulers.

Now, I know she also gets a little blood-thirsty when she starts talking about Westeros, but all that she knows of the land of Westeros is that her family was murdered there, their cities were sacked, babies were killed, and the only thing the revolving door of rulers seems to have in common is they all want her dead.

It is quite possible that she changes her outlook on other rulers when she meets the likes of Jon, Yara, Sansa, and Tommen.

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I guess what i meant (but don't think actually said) was that they are at the same places right now, and this is where it is divergent. They had the best of intentions leading up to this point, but now is the question mark of if they continue on the course they have set, or if the betrayals against their attempts discourage them towards a whole other path.

And a lot of villains at one point are considered a saint, fighting for the little people. But once they get power, it's a matter of what they do with it. Jon doesn't have power at this point, so it doesn't really fit my analogy, but Dany sure as hell does. More than ever before.

I could really see her going either way, but wouldn't be surprised if she says "f essos I'm going west," leaving behind a wake of destruction on the way out the door.

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Personally, I think she was just saying what the Dothraki wanted to hear. I can't believe she would be dumb enough to want to "tear down the stone houses".

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Umm...she has already proven to not be the smartest of rulers, so destruction might actually be the best way to go about taking westeros in her mind. She has been described as conqueror more than once. Whatever it takes.

I think it's a safe bet that she will eventually follow the same path of Aegon. He conquered Westeros with minimal destruction. Let's say she shows up with her army and dragons. There are going to be some that know what happened the last time a Targaryen showed up with dragons, and might not be all that eager to resist. Then there are the supposed Targayen supporters, like Randall Tarly, who probably join her cause to get out of the Lanister control. She conquers, but I think Astapor is the only time she flat decimated a place.